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    Is the events of BfA the "Fourth War"?

    Or is it the Fifth War if we count from end of Cata through MoP?

    Or are these not real "Wars" like "The Third War" and such?

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    No. The war that went from Varian declaring war on horde in under city during Wrath up to end of SoO is the 4th war. Metzen I believe was asked this during that time and said as such.

    So this should be 5th war with it starting with Genn assassination attempt on the warchief.

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    It's actually officially called the Blood War, AFAIK.



    They have a new title in the 8.2.5 war campaign called "Veteran of the Fourth War" but that's probably (hopefully?) still subject to change. It seems kind of odd to call this the Fourth War when it's the third or fourth large-scale conflict since the Third War depending on what you're counting.
    Last edited by Kathranis; 2019-09-14 at 05:52 AM.

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    Names like that are typically only created after the fact, not while its happening.

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    WoW fails to show a proper war, it's always small skirmishes at best. Just compare the scale of the war to Warcraft 1, 2 or 3 and you'll see that the wars in WoW are so small, they dont't cover entire continents, kingdoms aren't destroyed, large pieces of land not conquered.

    WoW fails. It's always 1 or 2 patches with a few small skirmishes and then it's back to working together again. It's boring and feels like a betrayal of the word "war".

    MoP failed, BfA failed. Let's see a proper war in Warcraft 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daronokk View Post
    WoW fails to show a proper war, it's always small skirmishes at best. Just compare the scale of the war to Warcraft 1, 2 or 3 and you'll see that the wars in WoW are so small, they dont't cover entire continents, kingdoms aren't destroyed, large pieces of land not conquered.
    Teldrassil and Undercity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daronokk View Post
    MoP failed, BfA failed.
    Let's see a proper war in Warcraft 4.
    Yes please!

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    The Alliance-Horde war is not the Fourth War. Those toys that let your alts instantly learn all flight paths in the EK/Kalimdor mention that the Fourth War has yet to come. The official name of this new conflict is "The Blood War". I guess it could thematically be seen as the Fourth War... but again, the other past wars were not -just- faction wars. They were also orchestrated by a third, unknown threat (Kil'jaeden for the first two, Archimonde for the third). This isn't the case for the Blood War, as it was orchestrated by Horde's warchief Sylvanas Windrunner.
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    Legion > Cataclysm > MoP > BfA up to 8.2.5 > Wrath > TBC > WoD > Dragonflight > BfA 8.3 > Shadowlands

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    No. The war that went from Varian declaring war on horde in under city during Wrath up to end of SoO is the 4th war. Metzen I believe was asked this during that time and said as such.

    So this should be 5th war with it starting with Genn assassination attempt on the warchief.
    Actually it starts with the march through ashenvale apparently and ignores the events of Stormheim/Broken shore/Silithus/Before the storm/etc as any sort of triggering events... despite the logic that would indicate otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daronokk View Post
    WoW fails to show a proper war, it's always small skirmishes at best. Just compare the scale of the war to Warcraft 1, 2 or 3 and you'll see that the wars in WoW are so small, they dont't cover entire continents, kingdoms aren't destroyed, large pieces of land not conquered.

    WoW fails. It's always 1 or 2 patches with a few small skirmishes and then it's back to working together again. It's boring and feels like a betrayal of the word "war".

    MoP failed, BfA failed. Let's see a proper war in Warcraft 4.
    Honor Stand, Taurajo, Splintertree, Silverwind Refuge, Astranaar, Lor'danel, Darnassus, Undercity, Southshore, Gilneas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    Honor Stand, Taurajo, Splintertree, Silverwind Refuge, Astranaar, Lor'danel, Darnassus, Undercity, Southshore, Gilneas.
    the impact on these areas is largely negligible in the overarching game mechanics. Gilneas was never properly IN the game before it was immediately rendered an empty set piece, much like the goblin island of Kezan.

    Honor Stand and Silverwind refuge were barely blips on the map. Low level quest hubs hold little if any actual importance and South Shore is probably the only exception due to it's history in the game world.

    Overall it's that the story tells us these events happen but the 'impact' isn't there except for people trying to fist bump whatever score they wish to settle. It's sort of like how we can drive a tank at times, but the tank suddenly gets rendered useless once you cross a certain line.

    And you know what? after a patch or two the story moves on and the fires of Stratholme still burn from when it was razed by Arthas back in the third war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickybrighteyes View Post
    Actually it starts with the march through ashenvale apparently and ignores the events of Stormheim/Broken shore/Silithus/Before the storm/etc as any sort of triggering events... despite the logic that would indicate otherwise.
    Not every conflict is a war. But marching an army on foreign territory with an express intention of fighting is kind of hard to declare as anything else.

    Not sure why you even mention Broken Shore. Horde and Alliance didn't fight each other there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickybrighteyes View Post
    the impact on these areas is largely negligible in the overarching game mechanics. Gilneas was never properly IN the game before it was immediately rendered an empty set piece, much like the goblin island of Kezan.

    Honor Stand and Silverwind refuge were barely blips on the map. Low level quest hubs hold little if any actual importance and South Shore is probably the only exception due to it's history in the game world.

    Overall it's that the story tells us these events happen but the 'impact' isn't there except for people trying to fist bump whatever score they wish to settle. It's sort of like how we can drive a tank at times, but the tank suddenly gets rendered useless once you cross a certain line.

    And you know what? after a patch or two the story moves on and the fires of Stratholme still burn from when it was razed by Arthas back in the third war.
    When Teldrassil was first siezed Anduin feared that Genn might rebel against the Alliance because they were devoting all their resources to get the night elves their home back while the Gilneans were still without theirs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Not every conflict is a war. But marching an army on foreign territory with an express intention of fighting is kind of hard to declare as anything else.
    Thing is... military engagement with the expressed intent to kill a leader is also an act of war but somehow is NOT initiating any war despite the fact that it happened. People will keep coming in and pointing out Stormheim and forget that according to the story told... Stormheim did not start any war.

    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Not sure why you even mention Broken Shore. Horde and Alliance didn't fight each other there.
    Broken shore from the perspective of some alliance PoV is the horde abandoning the alliance at a crucial point and is their reason for some escalation. This idea is not just some posters head canon and is a foot note the devs have discussed.

    But much like the rest of the events transpiring between the close of MoP and the War of Thorns, this information is also irrelevant to any official war events.

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    Since they are reusing the mop plot might as well reuse the 4th war title

    But yeah, it is the 5th war, they did an embarrassing mistake proving they back and forth forget their shit

    They will prob say the mop war was not rly a war as a lame retcon instead of correcting themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    When Teldrassil was first siezed Anduin feared that Genn might rebel against the Alliance because they were devoting all their resources to get the night elves their home back while the Gilneans were still without theirs.
    And how exactly does the game show this?

    a one off talk in a back room or a short story outside the game.... and the only presence concerning it IN game is a cycle or rotation of units in an event that takes place once or twice a month....

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    Well it makes sense. They were not happy how things gone down in MoP so they brand BFA as the actual "Fourth War"

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    Well they kind of retroactively named the 1-3rd wars after their respective games. With WoW it's harder to pin down. Technically we should be at least at the 5th War, if we're only going by faction conflicts, and IDK if there even was a faction conflict focus in Warcraft 3 it was kind of a mixed bag like WoW is today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    They have a new title in the 8.2.5 war campaign called "Veteran of the Fourth War" but that's probably (hopefully?) still subject to change. It seems kind of odd to call this the Fourth War when it's the third or fourth large-scale conflict since the Third War depending on what you're counting.


    wait what is bfa the fourth war? I thought wow was meant to be the fourth war

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    isn't veteran of the fourth war the title you receive for finishing the war campaign?
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    I would assume this "Fourth War" denotes the more modern set of conflicts following the close of the Third War with the Legion which culminated at Hyjal. Basically the "Fourth War" includes the renewal of conflict of WotLK, the conflicts that Varian and Garrosh set-up across Kalimdor, Theramore, all of MoP, the brief cessation of conflict during WoD, and the renewal of it during and after Legion. The Blood War is just a single incidence within this longer chain of conflicts, all of which fall under the umbrella of the Fourth War.
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