The myths about Classic that have fallen apart

[MrHorner]

I got a Tauren Druid to 30 in Classic. Then I decided to make a brand new one in Retail to see how different it would be. The difference is night and day. A new Tauren in retail is so much more fun to play. The quests are different (and much better), Mulgore is greatly improved, drop rates are astronomically better, and you're not dying every 3 minutes and having to run halfway across the zone because there's only one graveyard. You get a 30% speed increase at level 8 from Cat Form, you get travel Form at like 16 which is 40% and, you can get a mount at 20 and it doesn't cost 100 gold. How can anyone say that Classic is better? The retail game is greatly improved over it. A Balance Druid at level 15 vastly outperforms one in Classic.

Another thing, the retail game still contains the Ahab Wheathoof NPC and his quest that was designed by 10 year old Ezra "Ephoenix" Chatterton before he tragically died at age 12. It's not in Classic and it should be. It wouldn't hurt the Classic experience one iota to have it included. It's exclusion is one of the worst things about Classic. Yes, it wasn't in the game during the Classic period but so what? It should be put in.

So what you're saying is that better = easier.

[Estravolt]

It's interesting that you decided to post an untranslated comment from someone in the Classic crowd.

It's pretty authentic, don't you think?

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So what you're saying is that better = easier.

Less inconvenient =/= Easier

[TheRevenantHero]

So what you're saying is that better = easier.

what they're saying is it's more fun to level in Modern than it is in Classic. Probably because you feel stronger and you're using more than 1 maybe 2 buttons for 60 levels.

[crusadernero]

In classic everything takes alot of time. Some things take insane amount of time to obtain. Time consuming like hell to actually get anything out of the game. Feels sick when getting a new chest at random lvl cause its an actual upgrade. Requires decent amount of hours each week if you want to stay somewhat relevant.

Retail showers you with everything(gear) up front, but most of it is rather forgettable and content is consumed quickly. Fast paced quickly consumed content. Theres time consuming stuff to obtain here to, but theres no need to do it.


But as i've said here and in other threads: The one big difference is time you put into the game in order to achive something.

Classic was never hard it just required you to devote alot of time to it, if you wanted to obtain/achieve stuff in game.

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what they're saying is it's more fun to level in Modern than it is in Classic. Probably because you feel stronger and you're using more than 1 maybe 2 buttons for 60 levels.

man i've mained paladin since about mid BC. I've been ret, holy, prot. Sometimes all 3 of them at the same time. Playing ret/holy once again in classic and compare it to retail.. God damn its so slow. *judgement*, *Seal*, *autoattack until mob dead*.

I managed to get lvl 39 before I just didnt bother. It was to slow and theres much more to classes in retail than in classic, atleast some of them.

I love the world of classic, but man the leveling is tedious. Maybe i'll get to 60 once... when phase 5 is out or something lol

[Gasparde]

I like how people equate convenience with easy and then trash other people for 'wanting ez mode'.
I envy those star players who have the skills to kill a mob in 20 seconds by Moonfire'ing once and then autoattacking for 20 seconds - takes some mad skillz and is definitely not an ez task to accomplish. And I envy them just about as much for walking from TB to OG by foot without any movement increases, like, the amount of skill it takes to achieve that is just huge.

Fucking convenience crybabies. Just look at me and my boy Kungen knowing what real games and real challenges look like. That's why I'm playing through Pokemon Red every single Sunday, with only Charmander... while only using Tackle, and never using any Potions, and not getting a Bike, and with a forced break of 5 minutes after every fight to simulate a little resting break for my CharChar. Because that's not just being stupid or inconvenient, that's a skillful challenge.

[TheRevenantHero]

I like how people equate convenience with easy and then trash other people for 'wanting ez mode'.
I envy those star players who have the skills to kill a mob in 20 seconds by Moonfire'ing once and then autoattacking for 20 seconds - takes some mad skillz and is definitely not an ez task to accomplish. And I envy them just about as much for walking from TB to OG by foot without any movement increases, like, the amount of skill it takes to achieve that is just huge.

Fucking convenience crybabies. Just look at me and my boy Kungen knowing what real games and real challenges look like. That's why I'm playing through Pokemon Red every single Sunday, with only Charmander... while only using Tackle, and never using any Potions, and not getting a Bike, and with a forced break of 5 minutes after every fight to simulate a little resting break for my CharChar. Because that's not just being stupid or inconvenient, that's a skillful challenge.

that....that was actually a perfect Classic comparison. Well done.

[Noxina]

roflmao those fanbois and their glasses. vanilla is way more casual then retail. why do you think it takes you so long to get to 60? cause there is nothing at max level....

Namecalling wins arguments as often as statistics, or so 7 out or 10 forum threads claim.

Vanilla takes a lot more time than retail, leveling takes time, getting raid ready takes time. Being casual means you don't play 8 hours every day, doesn't have anything with what kind of content you do. You can casually raid Mythic on retail, because all it takes is 3 raid nights and a m10+ every week.

Raiding high end in Classic will take more, you will need to either farm gold for consumables, or farm the consumables, you will need the different buffs etc. All which is very time consuming.
Can you raid in Classic casually? Well of course, no one have claimed anything different. But saying it is more casual than retail, where you literally log in - press a button to queue up for a dungeon and/or raid, and can call it a day is just funny to me.

But hey, it's your opinion. Great for you.

[MrHorner]

what they're saying is it's more fun to level in Modern than it is in Classic. Probably because you feel stronger and you're using more than 1 maybe 2 buttons for 60 levels.

How can it be fun? everything dies easily, no special rewards,. etc.

[TheRevenantHero]

How can it be fun? everything dies easily, no special rewards,. etc.

Exactly my questions for Classic. Thank you for reiterating

[rohoz]

I like how people equate convenience with easy and then trash other people for 'wanting ez mode'.
I envy those star players who have the skills to kill a mob in 20 seconds by Moonfire'ing once and then autoattacking for 20 seconds - takes some mad skillz and is definitely not an ez task to accomplish. And I envy them just about as much for walking from TB to OG by foot without any movement increases, like, the amount of skill it takes to achieve that is just huge.

Fucking convenience crybabies. Just look at me and my boy Kungen knowing what real games and real challenges look like. That's why I'm playing through Pokemon Red every single Sunday, with only Charmander... while only using Tackle, and never using any Potions, and not getting a Bike, and with a forced break of 5 minutes after every fight to simulate a little resting break for my CharChar. Because that's not just being stupid or inconvenient, that's a skillful challenge.

charmander has scratch, not tackle.
Only thing incorrect in this post.

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Exactly my questions for Classic. Thank you for reiterating

every time I see a rebuttal like this I just ask "when was the last time you even played?"

[TheRevenantHero]

charmander has scratch, not tackle.
Only thing incorrect in this post.

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every time I see a rebuttal like this I just ask "when was the last time you even played?"

Classic fans be like "Ugh there's no rewards or challenges in retail. Excuse me while I level up and give one of my spells a 1% damage increase and kill everything I target that isn't elite."

[MrHorner]

Yeah buddy but you can do quest chains for really powerful items, and dungeons for them too. Not to mention professions.
In retrail you just run around with your heirlooms. I'ts really hard to lvl up without failling asleep. Which is why people buy the boosts. Blizzard wants lvling to be boring and meaningless.

[rohoz]

Yeah buddy but you can do quest chains for really powerful items, and dungeons for them too. Not to mention professions.
In retrail you just run around with your heirlooms. I'ts really hard to lvl up without failling asleep. Which is why people buy the boosts. Blizzard wants lvling to be boring and meaningless.

you do know you can choose to not use the heirlooms and just quest, right? Like, that's what I did for loremaster. It's pretty good.

leveling right now is extremely satisfying if you want to read the quests/enjoy the story of the zones.

and even if you use heirlooms it doesn't change anything outside of xp/hr. you aren't more powerful bc they are scaled to blues (that you get a lot of from questing)


NOT THAT YOU'D KNOW THAT WITH THE BUZZWORD SALAD YOU'RE SERVING, THOUGH

[Teddyfish]

Raiding high end in Classic will take more, you will need to either farm gold for consumables, or farm the consumables, you will need the different buffs etc. All which is very time consuming.
Can you raid in Classic casually? Well of course, no one have claimed anything different. But saying it is more casual than retail, where you literally log in - press a button to queue up for a dungeon and/or raid, and can call it a day is just funny to me.

But hey, it's your opinion. Great for you.

Alot of people spew out the time commitment classic raiding takes outside the raid, retail also has this every time a new teir releases.

Mythic+ plus spam for gear.
Constant AP grinds through WQ/Islands.
Crafting your Mythic Profession gear.
Currently the Benethic Gear fiasco we have.

While we still have consumables, flasks are fairly cheap since they last through death. But the amount of pots you'll go through during progression are taxing.
Gold doesn't just given to you for logging in, all these things take time.

If anything there's far too much to do to keep up with hardcore mythic raiding and hardcore classic raiding looks like a vacation in comparison.

[rohoz]

Alot of people spew out the time commitment classic raiding takes outside the raid, retail also has this every time a new teir releases.

Mythic+ plus spam for gear.
Constant AP grinds through WQ/Islands.
Crafting your Mythic Profession gear.
Currently the Benethic Gear fiasco we have.

While we still have consumables, flasks are fairly cheap since they last through death. But the amount of pots you'll go through during progression are taxing.
Gold doesn't just given to you for logging in, all these things take time.

If anything there's far too much to do to keep up with hardcore mythic raiding and hardcore classic raiding looks like a vacation in comparison.

shhhhh
they just want to get gear once and raidlog in peace. or play alts or whatever.

[Milfshaked]

Raiding high end in Classic will take more, you will need to either farm gold for consumables, or farm the consumables, you will need the different buffs etc. All which is very time consuming.
Can you raid in Classic casually? Well of course, no one have claimed anything different. But saying it is more casual than retail, where you literally log in - press a button to queue up for a dungeon and/or raid, and can call it a day is just funny to me.

Well, this is something that has many layers to it.

First of all, while yes, you CAN do more preparation in classic, you certainly dont need to do any preparation at all. The same can be said for LFR-Heroic in retail. When it comes to mythic raiding in retail though, you are pretty much required to do far more preparation than what you are required to do in classic.

When we are talking dungeons as you also mention, you dont have to do any preparation at all in classic whereas you actually have to do preparation for higher mythic+.

While on the topic of optional preparation, the grind in retail for azerite power is a lot worse than anything in classic. That is before we even talk about the casino gearing process with titanforging and sockets.

So it all really depends on what you mean when you say raiding and dungeons. Classic may have a lot of optional preparation but overall it has less required preparation.

[rohoz]

Well, this is something that has many layers to it.

First of all, while yes, you CAN do more preparation in classic, you certainly dont need to do any preparation at all. The same can be said for LFR-Heroic in retail. When it comes to mythic raiding in retail though, you are pretty much required to do far more preparation than what you are required to do in classic.

When we are talking dungeons as you also mention, you dont have to do any preparation at all in classic whereas you actually have to do preparation for higher mythic+.

While on the topic of optional preparation, the grind in retail for azerite power is a lot worse than anything in classic. That is before we even talk about the casino gearing process with titanforging and sockets.

So it all really depends on what you mean when you say raiding and dungeons. Classic may have a lot of optional preparation but overall it has less required preparation.

you can have like no sockets or warforges and clear 90% of content with no issue. WF/Socket doesn't turn mediocre gear into great gear.

[kamuimac]

Yeah buddy but you can do quest chains for really powerful items, and dungeons for them too. Not to mention professions.
In retrail you just run around with your heirlooms. I'ts really hard to lvl up without failling asleep. Which is why people buy the boosts. Blizzard wants lvling to be boring and meaningless.

you are suggesting that leveling in classic is not more tedious and boring then in retail ?

do you have any idea how popular would be level 60 boosts in classic if blizzard had balls to introduce them ?

i myself would instantly buy 4 or 5 of those just to skip dreadfull waste of time that leveling in classic is.

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Well, this is something that has many layers to it.

First of all, while yes, you CAN do more preparation in classic, you certainly dont need to do any preparation at all. The same can be said for LFR-Heroic in retail. When it comes to mythic raiding in retail though, you are pretty much required to do far more preparation than what you are required to do in classic.

When we are talking dungeons as you also mention, you dont have to do any preparation at all in classic whereas you actually have to do preparation for higher mythic+.

While on the topic of optional preparation, the grind in retail for azerite power is a lot worse than anything in classic. That is before we even talk about the casino gearing process with titanforging and sockets.

So it all really depends on what you mean when you say raiding and dungeons. Classic may have a lot of optional preparation but overall it has less required preparation.

yes you could

but why waste time when peopel are clearing MC with ease on 58 level with quest greens.

[Coldfrostzero]

I was a druid during BC. I will have to speak from that experience. I went Feral, leaning mostly towards tank. I could switch into cat form if i wanted to dish out some damage, but back in those days, it was still considered too subpar. And i surely couldn't heal. They were so weak, and were too expensive. The days of the true hybrid was in early vanilla only.

That's wrong completely.

Again, this comes down to how the game was set up through spell coefficients and gear. In early Vanilla, using your cat druid experience, strength was the 1 to 2 ratio for attack power (this is true still for Bear druids in Classic). The stats in early Vanilla were so spread out across the gear that the tiny boost in intellect or strength wasn't enough to fulfill any role. The way it worked was, and this was true all the way to WOTLK, if you wore the GEAR that you could fulfill a different role without being that spec. A cat druid in Vanilla, BC, and WOTLK could put on gear on a given encounter and could perform another role, but not be the best at it.

They switched it to the current itemization because it made hybrids have a place in the game. If all of your gear had strength/agility/intellect/stamina/spirit you'd have so little of your MAIN stat for a role, you'd not be able to perform at it well.

In BC, they changed cat and bear to both use Agility for attack power. This opened up the ability to hybrid as a cat or tank without swapping talents around too much. You weren't the best at the one you weren't specialized in, but you could perform it. In Vanilla, with regards to that, you had to have a weird balance of strength and agility to be able to maintain threat and survivability. Just because your gear had some intellect on it, didn't ever mean you could just swap straight into caster form and heal like it was nothing. If you were wearing full intellect gear, you wouldn't even want to be a cat druid because you'd do no damage.

[tmamass]

You can casually raid Mythic on retail, because all it takes is 3 raid nights and a m10+ every week.

Raiding high end in Classic will take more, you will need to either farm gold for consumables, or farm the consumables, you will need the different buffs etc. All which is very time consuming.

someone clearly never raided mythic on retail. thanks for showing that you have no idea.
fact is classic raiding is more casual and easier then anything else and that includes lfr which has more mechanics then any classic raid boss,