frost, warrior, holy priest and combat need to be nerfed

[asil]

Trust me as someone who played in a competitive server first multiple boss kill guild, as the gear arc rises, you will see other classes shine, especially Hunter. Hunters in Tiers 2 & 3 can and will easily be top dps.

You know we can go look at parses on private servers and they're exactly like this, right? Which is exactly how it was in vanilla. I raided hardcore in vanilla, I played a warlock.

I didn't care that my spec was worse than a fury warrior or rogue or fire mage. But to claim hunters are somehow gonna top dps in t3 is just wild, it's fury warriors/fire mages/rogues still.

[Ealyssa]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zon...1000#class=DPS
These specs are ridiculously overtuned. Classes like hunter, paladin, druid and shaman have absolutely no chance at performing on a viable level.

We know this for 15 years. At some point it's up the player responsibility if they purposely choose a dead class in classic...

[Discordica]

this is vanilla, deal with it, if you didnt know what was broken in vanilla after 15 years of info then its your own fault.
there are like 2 specs that arent "viable" and thats balance druid and ret paladin, everything else can made to work, yes warriors and rogues will do more dps, thats how it was.
imo vanilla is not for you, go back to bfa and play with something more to your style, where everything is the same and classes have no identity.

[Gratlim]

The top feral druid on ragnaros did half the dps of the top mage and he used 2 charges of crowd control pummeler to even manage that. Yes, thats one log. But the top log on warcraft log is far and above what 99% of feral druids will manage to do. The fact is that even as a feral druid, probably the best of the hybrid dps, you're looking at doing half the dps of a normal dps spec while putting in 4 times as much effort.

Ah fair enough then. I wouldn't call Mage a normal dps though. It as an outliner and probably destroy warlocks and hunters on charts as well (both pure dps). And wait for t3, because then they are god tier.

But to put things in perspective, when over 50% of you dps population roll mage like in Classic (yes pulling numbers of my ***), I guess we can call it the new "normal" and playing anything else beside warrior / rogues is pointless in a mix max perspective.

[Jehct]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zon...1000#class=DPS

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zon...#class=Healers

These specs are ridiculously overtuned. Classes like hunter, paladin, druid and shaman have absolutely no chance at performing on a viable level. I understand people want no changes but if the tuning looks this bad (PS this tuning is worse than BFA) then I do not understand why the game is getting so much praise.

It's a shame when half of the classes in the game are not viable. I think of this as an absolute development failure.

Sounds to me like you don't like the "vanilla no changes" experience. Perhaps you are better suited for Retail. Either quit whining at the game that was requested or go play retail.

[bmjclark]

Ah fair enough then. I wouldn't call Mage a normal dps though. It as an outliner and probably destroy warlocks and hunters on charts as well (both pure dps). And wait for t3, because then they are god tier.

But to put things in perspective, when over 50% of you dps population roll mage like in Classic (yes pulling numbers of my ***), I guess we can call it the new "normal" and playing anything else beside warrior / rogues is pointless in a mix max perspective.

I think the problem is that we know whats good and whats bad and that it's also never going to change. I think it's safe to say most people would rather play a dps class they know is good and is going to stay good forever than play a class they know is bad and is going to stay bad forever. I dont think there'll ever be a shortage of mages/rogues/warriors just because of that.

Also, even the top warlock did almost twice as much dps as the feral. I think warlock is actually a class people underestimate for some reason. Warlocks are very, very competitive on fights that actually last a decent length of time.

[kail]

The top feral druid on ragnaros did half the dps of the top mage and he used 2 charges of crowd control pummeler to even manage that. Yes, thats one log. But the top log on warcraft log is far and above what 99% of feral druids will manage to do. The fact is that even as a feral druid, probably the best of the hybrid dps, you're looking at doing half the dps of a normal dps spec while putting in 4 times as much effort.

Not much to expect from an vanilla. It is objectively the worse state of WoW when it comes to class balance. Expect that when coming to Classic and deciding you character. Also note that unlike retail, damage meters is not the only factor in determining viability.

[articuno998]

no nerfs man, if you want more "balance" head back to retail

[rohoz]

Not much to expect from an vanilla. It is objectively the worse state of WoW when it comes to class balance. Expect that when coming to Classic and deciding you character. Also note that unlike retail, damage meters is not the only factor in determining viability.

Gonna guess the last time you played was mid wotlk, cus you know that's 100% inaccurate, right?

[kail]

Gonna guess the last time you played was mid wotlk, cus you know that's 100% inaccurate, right?

About the imbalance? No. Last time I played was early BFA so unless you can show me logs of one spec doing 1/2 of the damage (with extreme effort) compared to another, let me know. Warcraftlogs will never be entirely equal but since Wrath, majority of specs could shine in numbers in terms of damage/healing. There was always flavors but rarely dead specs. Classic is the largest list of dead/meme specs for PvE.

[ghays]

We already knew that raiding was gonna be pretty unbalanced, but most people don't care and why should they?

Classic is all about getting the vanilla experience as close as possible and this version of the game isn't focused on raiding anyways. Yeah mages might be super OP in MC and Ony, but really who gives a shit? These raids were farm content the second they launched and there's no point in taking only mages, because you will end up throwing away most of the loot drops. Also Classic isn't all about raiding, which is the reason why so many players are excited for it. If I wanted to do some high end raiding I'd play BfA.

EDIT: btw. as for the healer stats, I don't think that priests actually dominate healing... it's just that there are so many priests out there and currently many guilds are unwilling to take more than 1 or 2 druids (which can often perform better than priests) to the raids.

Indeed. There is a reason it’s called World of Warcraft, and not World of Raids.

[Xath]

Nope they don't. You aren't meant to play hybrids as dps those specs only exists to make leveling easier get over it.

[Xath]

By 1.12, this was the philosophy taken by Blizzard, perhaps. But, early on vanilla, Blizzard wanted those specs to have some appeal. Even though Classic (so far) is one patch, vanilla wasn't. You have to remember that!

No they didn't. They were made better by 1.12 significantly so by the dungeon gear re-balancing and talent shifts the gap used to be even bigger. Early on they were literal trash and just put in to make leveling easier for the healers. In BC was the first time blizz cared about making them at all viable.

[Gorgodeus]

No, as in competitive with rogues and mages.

You REALLY don't know what you're talking about, i'll help you out. Check out Shedo on youtube, he can educate you.

Bullshit. The only way to be halfway decent is to farm the living hell out of the Gnomer weapon, and even then, the dps is nowhere close to rogues or mages.

[KaPe]

Why would Blizzard put strength on Druid Tier 1 and Tier 2 gear if they had no intention on that strength being useful?

Why would Blizzard put random resistances on tier gear of every class if they had no intention of those resistances being useful?

Because itemization was all over the place back then.

[Lochton]

Vanilla wasn't balanced, Classic isn't balanced.

[rohoz]

It's because they spread out damage over end game (instances and raids) content. They didn't put intellect on Warrior tier gear, because they did have a method to their madness. Just an untested one. It's a big fallacy that Blizzard intended for hybrids to only heal right off the bat. That didn't come until patches in, and only stayed in the game for a few patches.

then why don't they have the ability to actually dps for more than 2-3 mins as a hybrid? OOMkin was a meme for that reason, ya know?

[adramalech92]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zon...1000#class=DPS

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zon...#class=Healers

These specs are ridiculously overtuned. Classes like hunter, paladin, druid and shaman have absolutely no chance at performing on a viable level. I understand people want no changes but if the tuning looks this bad (PS this tuning is worse than BFA) then I do not understand why the game is getting so much praise.

It's a shame when half of the classes in the game are not viable. I think of this as an absolute development failure.

I love the elitist attitude, but then is whining because its too hard LOL GO BACK TO RETAIL HAHA logged in for the first time in years just to post this.

[Jurwi]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zon...1000#class=DPS

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zon...#class=Healers

These specs are ridiculously overtuned. Classes like hunter, paladin, druid and shaman have absolutely no chance at performing on a viable level. I understand people want no changes but if the tuning looks this bad (PS this tuning is worse than BFA) then I do not understand why the game is getting so much praise.

It's a shame when half of the classes in the game are not viable. I think of this as an absolute development failure.

Well, yea, that's how it was in Vanilla. Of course now it is the same. How can this be a surprise to you?

[vindicatorx]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zon...1000#class=DPS

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zon...#class=Healers
It's a shame when half of the classes in the game are not viable. I think of this as an absolute development failure.

HA HA HA you wanted Classic you got Classic. It's real simple don't like it go play something else because it was like that all of classic. Why did you think people made jokes about lolret and everything else? I swear you people whine and bitch to get something and then whine and bitch because they gave you want you asked for.