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  1. #381
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuji V2 View Post
    Balance is boring, it's imo what ruined retail WoW (or one of the factors) and turned it into an esport oriented game where everyone can do anything and classes barely bring anything unique to the table any more. All classes are made according to the same principles having filler abilities, a resource dump, an oh-shit button, some sort of heal, etc. Everything feels so methodical and scripted and the RPG aspects of the game are completely lost.

    For me, I am totally fine with pure specs outperforming hybrids by a large margin. Hybrids get to raid because of the utility they bring and how they buff others, not for their own damage. In this way, classes have more freedom of how they can be designed and don't need to adhere to balance that makes everything feel the same. As an example, in Classic, I have a hard time deciding on what I want to be because literally every class brings something else to the game and it lets you experience the game in a totally different way.

    As a closing remark, if you feel that you want to be good at dealing damage, roll a pure DPS class instead of calling for nerfs. I personally love having the choice and feel it makes having alts more compelling as well.


    But this is wrong.

    They don't get to raid.

    Nobody is bringing 50% or more of the specs in the game.
    Content drought is a combination of catchup mechanics and no new content.
    Classic+ Retune/New Boss Abilities >>> #nochanges crowd

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    for the 50th time, this is NOT OSRS. "someone else did it" is not really a good argument. Generally, 80%+ is required in these situations, and the classic playerbase cant even decide if the new water model is acceptable. How do you limit the poll to classic only without discriminating? What is stopping "retail" players from ruining these polls?
    Make it level 60 chars only.

    OSRS is a good example for both the playerbase and developer being happy - its also a precedence. Its folly to pretend like it doesn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    "What did people wanted from Classic"

    It depends on the person.

    1) Person who never played Vanilla may want to experience.....actual Vanilla
    2) Person who already played Vanilla may or may not want changes

    People who want changes are 1/3 of the people who want to play CLassic. Maybe even less.
    *Citation needed*

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    Quote Originally Posted by rohoz View Post
    I did. It doesn't matter whether or not I do. You gonna continue being useless now or naw?
    Please answer the question - your inability/fear to do so is a good enough answer I guess. You can be ignored.

  3. #383
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    Make it level 60 chars only.

    OSRS is a good example for both the playerbase and developer being happy - its also a precedence. Its folly to pretend like it doesn't exist.

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    *Citation needed*

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    Please answer the question - your inability/fear to do so is a good enough answer I guess. You can be ignored.
    why? So your biases can guide your response? It doesn't matter. Do i play live? Classic? both? doesn't matter.

  4. #384
    Quote Originally Posted by rohoz View Post
    why? So your biases can guide your response? It doesn't matter. Do i play live? Classic? both? doesn't matter.
    Please answer the question - your inability/fear to do so is a good enough answer I guess. You can be ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Appelgren View Post
    This is the /thread right here. No need to discuss further.

    Classic is as close to vanilla as you can come and wanting to change it isnt the vanilla-experience anymore.

    Also.. PLEASE stop making stupid threads like this crying over balance and stuff that isnt as "good" as in BfA.
    It's not even a vanilla experience though.

    They should have just given everyone 10,000 gold since it's so easy already compared to what people experienced (subjective experience for most was much harder) back in the day, why not go the extra step?
    Content drought is a combination of catchup mechanics and no new content.
    Classic+ Retune/New Boss Abilities >>> #nochanges crowd

  6. #386
    Quote Originally Posted by Daffan View Post
    It's not even a vanilla experience though.
    Imagine being this disoriented... its basically the EXACT same thing except for some minor adjustments.
    People still convincing themselfs that vanilla was super hard and hardcore. Holy fk...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Appelgren View Post
    Imagine being this disoriented... its basically the EXACT same thing except for some minor adjustments.
    People still convincing themselfs that vanilla was super hard and hardcore. Holy fk...
    You don't even know what experience means.
    Content drought is a combination of catchup mechanics and no new content.
    Classic+ Retune/New Boss Abilities >>> #nochanges crowd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daffan View Post
    You don't even know what experience means.
    Are you just saying random bs at this point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Appelgren View Post
    Are you just saying random bs at this point?
    So you implying that it was just as easy for them then, than it is now -- therefore the experience they have is the same?
    Content drought is a combination of catchup mechanics and no new content.
    Classic+ Retune/New Boss Abilities >>> #nochanges crowd

  10. #390
    Quote Originally Posted by Poe View Post
    https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zon...1000#class=DPS

    https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zon...#class=Healers

    These specs are ridiculously overtuned. Classes like hunter, paladin, druid and shaman have absolutely no chance at performing on a viable level. I understand people want no changes but if the tuning looks this bad (PS this tuning is worse than BFA) then I do not understand why the game is getting so much praise.

    It's a shame when half of the classes in the game are not viable. I think of this as an absolute development failure.
    Nobody cares about numbers anymore, dung&raids are easy so is not a necessary condition to be top tier anymore. Relax.

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    And so the QQ begins.....

    This is classic, deal with it or reroll.
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    The main function of Mythic mode for most players is to act as a reminder that, compared to that 1%, they suck.

  12. #392
    Quote Originally Posted by Vakir View Post
    Why are people so easily baited?
    Its just that.. people who ask for nerfs/buffs in classic gets laughed at.

    Makes you look like a fool, also he isnt responding anymore so makes it quite clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daffan View Post
    But this is wrong.

    They don't get to raid.

    Nobody is bringing 50% or more of the specs in the game.
    Yes. You are correct.

    However, classic raiding was never about what you want to play, it was always about what you need to play.

    Consider Molten Core for example. Magmadar is a fairly easy fight. The only caveat is that you need a warrior tank to stance dance the fear, else your raid is toast. There are no room for other kind of tanks.

    When they release Naxxaramus eventually, you will see that Four Horsemen requires 8 tanks. 8 tanks all of whom have to be at least AQ40 geared warriors. Dont kid yourself. Only warrior can tank in classic. There are no other tanks.

    For most servers back in Vanilla, there were only like 15-16 geared warrior tanks per server. Which mean a server could at the most sustain a couple of guilds even capable of running Naxx. Which killed most other guilds since the top guilds literally poached every geared warriors for Naxx progression.

    And that's how we ended up with what is now retail. People complained (quite rightly) and Blizzard buffed the other tank classes and made them viable.

    Your complaints are like deja vu. We are going to relive history all over again as we once again find out why classes who specialized in the trinity were so good at classic as against classes who were more bits and pieces. And you are right, there's no room for support classes doing 50% of the throughput of the primary classes for example on a fight like Patchwerk which is straight up throughput check.
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    The main function of Mythic mode for most players is to act as a reminder that, compared to that 1%, they suck.

  14. #394
    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Its just that.. people who ask for nerfs/buffs in classic gets laughed at.

    Makes you look like a fool, also he isnt responding anymore so makes it quite clear.
    But it's so transparent. They're not even being laughed at if they're trying to elicit a reaction.

    I feel like this community is just addicted to conflict and it baffles me.

  15. #395
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    Please answer the question - your inability/fear to do so is a good enough answer I guess. You can be ignored.
    But I did. Answer is "it doesn't matter"

    There is no fear in my response. There is cowardice in yours, though.

  16. #396
    Quote Originally Posted by Monoxide View Post
    Not all classes are equal in all roles. It's ok.

    Mages should do way more damage than Druids. Damage is all they can do. It's ok.
    Mages bring equal utility and don't have shitty damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzzave View Post
    Mages bring equal utility and don't have shitty damage.
    ding ding ding
    Content drought is a combination of catchup mechanics and no new content.
    Classic+ Retune/New Boss Abilities >>> #nochanges crowd

  18. #398
    Quote Originally Posted by Vakir View Post
    But it's so transparent. They're not even being laughed at if they're trying to elicit a reaction.

    I feel like this community is just addicted to conflict and it baffles me.
    Nah there is nothing more to it realy.. then just accept classic the way it is and dont whine for buffs or nerfs. Many people predicted this would happen.. so yea. Nothing new.

  19. #399
    I don't see why anyone who played classic should have a problem with Blizzard tuning the numbers for Classic for better class parity/performance.

    You don't lose any flavor, mechanic, or even feeling if your Frostbolt does 800 dps instead of 1000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzzave View Post
    I don't see why anyone who played classic should have a problem with Blizzard tuning the numbers for Classic for better class parity/performance.

    You don't lose any flavor, mechanic, or even feeling if your Frostbolt does 800 dps instead of 1000.
    Because there shouldnt be balance changes. This isnt retail, the whole game doesnt have to be centered around raiding. You dont need to be within 5% of every spec. If you only care abt meters, play a mage or warrior.

    You change one spell, you change the whole game. Now frostbolt does less dmg. Might make it so arcane missiles does better damage per mana. Changes all the gearing. Changes balance in pvp.

    The ppl who have been fighting for vanilla for years, want it as close to possible to what it was. They didn't play on private servers for years bitching abt changes. They played because that's the game they wanted.

    Classic is not going to change. The moment they start "balancing" it, we are gonna be in the same place we were years ago hoping that blizzard releases our favorite game as we knew it.

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