IMO ALOT of people do want Classic+ kinda how they did OSRS. I think it's just the small vocal minority from private servers that just want it to stay classic.
I would love for them to go the OSRS route and update the game while keeping the classic ideals of vanilla.
There won't be a problem... They can merge servers and everything will work properly. They need something like 200k players per region for the game to work.
Imagine in the past there were battlegroups for PvP BGs and Arenas...200k people was like one battlegroup...you don't need 10 for the game to work...
The problem was function imbalance in the server, however they can solve it with free migrations to lower population servers...
And there are still people that would main in TBC but there wouldn't play classic or WotLK and people who would just stay play Classic.
You're not missing anything, OP. BC and probably Wrath are obviously coming. There has been too much hype around Classic for Blizzard to not keep the money train going.
What is unclear is when the expansions will end. A Classic Cataclysm won't make much sense, but it also seems odd that Blizzard will stop at Wrath. What would be their reasoning? Cata sucks, so we're not going to do that one?
because recycling content is best when spread-out.
Nah, i doubt it. While BC is not too far from the ideals of classic, flying, they agreed was a mistake. And i doubt that i would like to see flying on any kind of BC-Classic-Server. And BC has simply the issue that we already have all the content on the live-realms; different to the vanilla-zones that were lost because of the cataclysm that ruined a lot of zones except one.
BC also began the questline that began the Story of Garrosh, and i rather have a game where this warmonger was never ever discovered.
I think that classic+ has more potential. Blizzard would need to polish some specs, add some abilities through the classic+ experience too. I already see people crying, but if we go on from the game from 1.1 to 1.12 and 1.13 now, blizzard ALWAYS changed specs, added things and abilities and so on. Paladins for example were created in mind that they would buff all 5 min the whole raid, that's no longer the case since they added the greater blessings, so yes, they would maybe be a case of the MANY SPECS that would get an overwork of Prot and Ret as they overworked a lot of other specs back in vanilla.
And much more. But if they create new content, they need to keep the old stuff in mind. I also hope that a classic+ experience would give us new classic-dungeons, away from the ones with mythic+ and speedrunning/esport in mind, instead of getting the lore there and back into our games.
So yes, Classic+ is hopefully coming. And with that many people looking forward for it, why not?
And that's from someone who loves BC far more than i could ever for Vanilla, since it's simply the superior expansion and actually classic+ in many ways, since BC is really a classic+ experience.
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For your first point I would add that to reducing the frustration of classic. I don't think it's a game changer to add Green's to quest rewards. I'm getting those now in Classic at Level 40 and have been for a while now. If you want to say, "but the stats are improved/help you more", I would agree, but I don't put that in the category of "game design changes". I always do a mix of dungeons and quests when I level. Get gear upgrades more often from dungeons in classic, and get gear upgrades from quests more often when I played BC. Doesn't change the fact that I still got upgrades from both and played both.
For your point about dungeons, I will concede. Considering grinding dungeons in Classic end-game I suspect will be quite different from grinding dungeons in BC. Still nothing like Wrath, which was my point of comparison, but you are correct, in that there's a pretty big difference between L60 Vanilla dungeons and L70 BC dungeons.
While this was the XPac where arenas were introduce, we didn't see PVP balanced around them until later. There were many classes & specs that were completely broken in arenas during TBC, that were either very overpowered, or hardly worked at all in the arena.
I know there were a lot of changes, but overall, TBC still had a lot of what we like from Vanilla and with the comparatively few things we see now that have completely changed WoW in the time since, TBC is still close to Vanilla.
My contention is that the abundance of QoL changes in TBC outweigh the, IMO, handful of changes away from what makes Vanilla great. By Wrath those changes got more extreme, and by Cata the world changes pretty much erase Vanilla.
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Sure a few Blizz devs have said that, but they walk it back quickly every time they try to implement no more flying.
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Why would u split the community they already have to coordinate updates with live why throw tbc into the mix as well.
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I'm fairly certain I've heard them say they won't add more content to Classic even though it's something they thought of. I'm not sure how they do it without breaking the timeline again, and considering how much flack they got when they did it the last time, I don't see a good way for them to do it this time.
Otherwise, what's the foe we would encounter greater then Onyxia, Nefarian, and the Lich King's rise of the Scourge & #1 lieutenant Kel'Thuzad, but happens before the portal to Outland is reopened?
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Because we suspect Classic Vanilla cannot sustain a large enough audience past the first couple years. Especially at the rate it's already being consumed.
Plus with everyone keeping the same sub, it's just a matter of deciding which sandbox to play in. They can merge servers and people who want to play forever-Vanilla still can, and that community will persist, while other communities that don't want to do that can play TBC or Retail. The alternative for many is not playing WoW at all once they are done with Classic.
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I'm with you there. Classic Vanilla should be given at least 2 years before Classic TBC is released. Probably could go further. And depending on when they started (if they have yet) TBC, maybe 2 years is being a little too optimistic.
TBC should be interesting to see though as far as what decision are made regarding what snapshop in time to use for it's base code. Is the community skilled and/or sophisticated enough to not have feeder guilds stuck in Kara the entire time without vendor epics?
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You keep the Classic servers isolated and running as long as people are logging into them. TBC servers would either have character transfers, or you level from scratch.
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Based on classic launch people we'll have an easier time than actual tbc. We are a lot better at high-end content but leveling has babied people for sure. Older raids won't hold up outside of sunwell and naxx in my opinion. On paper aq 40 looks like aids but everyone on private servers calls it a joke.
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I think I would like to see classic+ to get a feel of how things might have been regarding the retail route...and how different.
See what would happen had say...talent trees had expanded like "Rifts."
And perhaps better, to see how the storyline could have improved...(or worsen?).
I would say you are just hearing about the very good players. There's still a lot of very not good players that are still leveling. In Classic 40-mans you can bring bads to raid and absorb their deficiencies. You can't do that in TBC. If you bring a couple friends & family who are subpar players you will struggle in Kara until you over-gear it, and you still can't have very many bads in the 25 mans to progress.
"Take the time to sit down and talk with your adversaries. You will learn something, and they will learn something from you. When two enemies are talking, they are not fighting. It's when the talking ceases that the ground becomes fertile for violence. So keep the conversation going."
~ Daryl Davis
They will 100% release TBC eventually, but it's many many years away.