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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Grazrug View Post
    LOr'themar aka Bob is literally the worst and has no personality outside mirroring with Jaina appearing in Throne of Thunder 2.0. So we better get rid of him.
    But that's perfect for the Blood Elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninthbelief View Post
    If he was going to come back, I think it had to be before Legion. Him joining up with Illidan during Legion would've been phenomenal and a great opportunity for some plot, but it's too late now.
    I wouldn't mind if he came back now, but I do think it's too late from Blizzard's perspective.
    He could still come back in a Shadowlands-themed story, it wasn't clear how much demon he was when he died, and I doubt he and Illidan would have been on the same page given what he said about Illidan when his master plan was revealed.

  3. #123
    Not sure if Kael should return.
    But i do think the Blood Elves should have a mage as leader.

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    A phoenix king does not bode well for the rest of the inhabitants on Azeroth. Wouldn't put it past blizz to have something like that on the table tho.
    If you knew the candle was fire then the meal was cooked a long time ago.

  5. #125
    Sure, I'd be down. We already got Light necromancy, so anything is possible.

    Alternatively, in case that's just a little too silly for people, give Rommath more spotlight.
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  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by ninthbelief View Post
    If he was going to come back, I think it had to be before Legion. Him joining up with Illidan during Legion would've been phenomenal and a great opportunity for some plot, but it's too late now.
    I wouldn't mind if he came back now, but I do think it's too late from Blizzard's perspective.
    I would only even come close to accepting this mess if it involved retconning absolutely all of The Burning Crusade. At this point, after what he's done, totally unapologetically, it would be as stupid as if Deathwing suddenly burst out of the Maelstrom, reborn through the power of the Dragon Soul, glittering golden and spitting healing magic instead of fire over the whole world, un-breaking it all. Yaaaaaaaaaay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daevelian View Post
    So this is how far the Lore forum has fallen? Eesh.
    I take it back, BfA is not the lowest the games lore could have gone, this thread proves that.
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    And just like the thread before it, let's back away from sexualizing Azshara and return to the original topic at hand.

  7. #127
    I like kael but he's dead. we may see a kael from an alternative timeline someday

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by ninthbelief View Post
    If he was going to come back, I think it had to be before Legion. Him joining up with Illidan during Legion would've been phenomenal and a great opportunity for some plot, but it's too late now.
    I wouldn't mind if he came back now, but I do think it's too late from Blizzard's perspective.
    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    I would only even come close to accepting this mess if it involved retconning absolutely all of The Burning Crusade. At this point, after what he's done, totally unapologetically, it would be as stupid as if Deathwing suddenly burst out of the Maelstrom, reborn through the power of the Dragon Soul, glittering golden and spitting healing magic instead of fire over the whole world, un-breaking it all. Yaaaaaaaaaay!

    (0:31 - 0:45)
    Only his fel resurrection needs a retcon, or rather explanation. His involvement with Illidan was justified. I don't know about healing magic but I can see Neltharion becoming a dragon made out of earth and fire. More elemental than not, as they were in the past. Not that there is need for it considering Wrathion took over.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    I like kael but he's dead. we may see a kael from an alternative timeline someday
    Dead? Merely a setback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninthbelief View Post
    If he was going to come back, I think it had to be before Legion. Him joining up with Illidan during Legion would've been phenomenal and a great opportunity for some plot, but it's too late now.
    I wouldn't mind if he came back now, but I do think it's too late from Blizzard's perspective.
    Who is better to conquer Death and Void if not the Sun King rising like a phoenix?

  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Fetus Rex View Post
    Death means very little for a phoenix. Rommath is a nobody still even after a decade plus. And while he is similar to Kael'thas he is a lite version of him. Not to mention he is not a Sunstrider.
    No but it means a heck of a lot for the story.
    What you're essentially telling me is you want him back, because you want him back. Not a compelling argument.

    Rommath isn't a nobody, he was literally Kael's second in command, and arguably one of the most powerful mages in the game.

    Everything you want from Kael exists in Rommath, except for his name and 'phoenix king' title, like that means anything.
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  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    I agree, Lor'themar Theron sucks.
    But at least LOHR-theh-marawwwr is sexy love his eye

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    People are more interested in the Sunstrider dynasty and legacy than his characterization (which is considered botched and butchered anyway.) If that doesn't count for anything, why re-introduce Calia Menethil, or introduce Taelia Fordragon with their notable last names if completely new characters could have sufficed? Family names matter in a game about monarchies, hierarchies and kingdoms. No one cares about the Theron name, he hails from a long line of nobodies. The only names that matter in Thalassian elf lore is Sunstrider and Windrunner.
    Lor'Themar's name means nothing does it? The man's literally been regent lord ever since Kael's ridiculous excursion to Outland. Him and his rangers kept Silvermoon together while Kael allied with the Burning Legion. If it doesn't carry any weight that's not his problem, that's on you for not recognizing what he's done for his people.

    If you had any sense you'd advocate for more development for Lor'Themar rather than ressurecting a dead and buried butchered character just because his name sounds cool.

    But no 'mUh PhOeNiX kInG'

    Get lost.
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  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by LarryFromHR View Post
    No but it means a heck of a lot for the story.
    What you're essentially telling me is you want him back, because you want him back. Not a compelling argument.

    Rommath isn't a nobody, he was literally Kael's second in command, and arguably one of the most powerful mages in the game.

    Everything you want from Kael exists in Rommath, except for his name and 'phoenix king' title, like that means anything.
    Phoenix rising means a lot more.
    The only argument needed. He is well known and beloved character. Perfect fit for racial theme. They have experienced rebirth after rebirth becoming something else in a result.

    He is a nobody. A figure that get even less spotlight than that weakling Lor'Themar.

    It doesn't. I have no attachement to Rommath and he never was as violent as Kael'Thas.

  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Fetus Rex View Post
    Phoenix rising means a lot more.
    The only argument needed. He is well known and beloved character. Perfect fit for racial theme. They have experienced rebirth after rebirth becoming something else in a result.

    He is a nobody. A figure that get even less spotlight than that weakling Lor'Themar.

    It doesn't. I have no attachement to Rommath and he never was as violent as Kael'Thas.
    No it doesn't if anything it cheapens 'death' of major characters EVEN more, the game is filled to the brim with stupid redemption archs.
    Does it suck that they butchered his character? Sure.
    But that's just the way it is, and adding Kael back into the game adds NOTHING that giving Rommath more development doesn't
    That's just the way it is, that's just how it goes.

    If you rank a character's importance to the story, then the fucking TITANS themselves must've been fucking irrelevant nobodies as well until the very end of Legion even though they, you know, made the entire universe. Ridiculous notion.

    The only attachment you have to Kael seems to be that his name and title is cool, so I honestly don't really care how attached or not attached you are to a character.

    Everything you want exists in someone who isn't Kael

    That's just how it is
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  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by LarryFromHR View Post
    No it doesn't if anything it cheapens 'death' of major characters EVEN more, the game is filled to the brim with stupid redemption archs.
    Does it suck that they butchered his character? Sure.
    But that's just the way it is, and adding Kael back into the game adds NOTHING that giving Rommath more development doesn't
    That's just the way it is, that's just how it goes.

    If you rank a character's importance to the story, then the fucking TITANS themselves must've been fucking irrelevant nobodies as well until the very end of Legion even though they, you know, made the entire universe. Ridiculous notion.

    The only attachment you have to Kael seems to be that his name and title is cool, so I honestly don't really care how attached or not attached you are to a character.

    Everything you want exists in someone who isn't Kael

    That's just how it is
    It would cheapen the death of anyone else but not someone knwon for the close bond with a phoenix. I want Blood Elves to regain their lost masculine power, not 'redemption arch'. They need twice as bidge edge as they have right now.

    Rommath won't be a king, I don't see it. Nor I want any other than Sunstrider dynasty to lead Blood Elves.

    They still are nobodies.

    His lore, the journey we went together means more to me than titles.

    Kael'Thas is simply the best.

  15. #135
    I think the poor guy suffered enough.

  16. #136
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakana View Post
    But at least LOHR-theh-marawwwr is sexy love his eye
    Yeah that's not a prerequisite for me. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fetus Rex View Post
    Today is the day. I have decided in my infinite kindness to share pure wisdom with you. Behold one of the best high fantasy ideas that you have ever witnessed.

    Kael'thas and Al'ar should be joined together into one being in the presence of Sunwell. The God King of Sin'dorei, the second coming of savior who would heal mana addiction by his very presence. Holy Phoenix, the truest Sunstrider and the first Azeroth made artificial Naaru like entity.

    I present to you The God King Kael'ar Sunstrider!

    New chapter in Blood Elves history and much needed expansion for the Blood Knights!
    He is too disgraced by this stage, to become the true ruler of the Sin'dorei.
    Stuff can be fixed, just get enough glue or duct tape!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryFromHR View Post
    Lor'Themar's name means nothing does it? The man's literally been regent lord ever since Kael's ridiculous excursion to Outland. Him and his rangers kept Silvermoon together while Kael allied with the Burning Legion. If it doesn't carry any weight that's not his problem, that's on you for not recognizing what he's done for his people.

    If you had any sense you'd advocate for more development for Lor'Themar rather than ressurecting a dead and buried butchered character just because his name sounds cool.

    But no 'mUh PhOeNiX kInG'

    Get lost.
    Advocate for a character Blizzard has written as boring? Why? It's just a story, I like the characters that interest me. Illidan got resurrected and he wasn't written as any less insane than Kael'thas in Burning Crusade. Ok, maybe a little, but death is nearly meaningless in these kinds of stories. There are a million ways to bring Kael'thas back. By your logic, Hal Jordan and Barry Allen should have never been resurrected if you're familiar with DC Comics, and Kyle Rayner and Wally West should still be Green Lantern and The Flash respectively. Lor'themar Theron is as boring a character as Hal Jordan, therefore, I have no love loss for the character.

  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Fetus Rex View Post
    It would cheapen the death of anyone else but not someone knwon for the close bond with a phoenix.
    ''It would cheapen the death of anyone EXCEPT my favourite character'' is essentially what you're saying.

    I want Blood Elves to regain their lost masculine power, not 'redemption arch'. They need twice as bidge edge as they have right now.
    Which they can, through Rommath, Lor'Themar or shit, even Halduron.

    Rommath won't be a king, I don't see it. Nor I want any other than Sunstrider dynasty to lead Blood Elves.
    Only reason you can't see it is because you're a blind fanboy

    They still are nobodies.
    Not in the lore they're not, and neither is Rommath

    His lore, the journey we went together means more to me than titles.
    If he meant so much to you, you'd respect and realize that his jOuRnEy is over.

    Kael'Thas is simply the best.
    I agree, and it sucked that Blizzard butchered him, but let him rest.
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  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Evilfish View Post
    I think the poor guy suffered enough.
    Time to fix it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gehco View Post
    He is too disgraced by this stage, to become the true ruler of the Sin'dorei.
    But is he really? Just let's say that his past Tempest Keep was a result of a big fel crystal being stuck on his chest and his actions were not his own. Other than that his Outland actions were fully justified, even if radical but that's Kael'Thas for you. I want Blood Elves leader to be the guy who would burn ten human villages to save one elf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryFromHR View Post
    ''It would cheapen the death of anyone EXCEPT my favourite character'' is essentially what you're saying.



    Which they can, through Rommath, Lor'Themar or shit, even Halduron.



    Only reason you can't see it is because you're a blind fanboy



    Not in the lore they're not, and neither is Rommath



    If he meant so much to you, you'd respect and realize that his jOuRnEy is over.



    I agree, and it sucked that Blizzard butchered him, but let him rest.
    Yes, it just so happens it fits both.

    They are all compromised and nowhere near as cool as Kael.

    Now now, name calling.

    They are. I've read all there is and their presence is miniscule. They could as well be glorified trainers.

    It is not over.

    Phoenix never rests.

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