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  1. #181
    I just did an escort quest in classic. Yes, escort quests are often not great, but in this one, the mob ran, and fought, and every once in a while wandered off and you had to ring a bell to make her come back. It's not terrible.

    On retail I remember doing an escort quest where it was an old woman walking extremely slowly, stopping to take breaks. She didn't fight. You just had to stand there and wait for her. She even repeatedly talks about how slow she's walking.

    My goal is not to say classic is better, but just to say that they are just making some really bad content that could obviously be done better, regardless of the shortcomings of the engine. Yes I imagine classic has shit escort quests as well, but on live the quests often just feel like the devs are straight up fucking with you, seeing how much shit you can handle before you finally throw your hands up and quit. It's very clearly just a time sink, not something they intend for you to enjoy.

    On a related note, I was thinking about the 15th anniversary bosses, and how I have zero interest in doing them. Because they're probably gonna be the Lich King doing defile that covers the entire floor but lol it's healable, or 3 people get dropped by val'kyrs and you 22 man it, or whatever. It's going to look like the same content, but it's gonna be bullshit. The devs who are gamers themselves have to know that it's shitty too, but they keep doing it. Something's just seriously wrong there.
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    It's not supposed to be fun, we are not in 2009. It's supposed to be frustrating and keep you hooked longer.

  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by mickybrighteyes View Post
    It seems you'retrying to argue one point that I'm not even discussing. hell you're barely even elaborating on how exactly 'soul crushing is defined'

    I'd personally say spending 10's of times longer to progress to not even teh level cap is far more 'soul crushing'. Not getting adequate gear rewards from quests till you're nearly into the 30's is another 'soul crushing' element. Minor disinterest at the prospect of playing isn't exactly 'soul crushing' in any capacity. Sounds like some people are experiencing burn out for the first time and want to act like it's some big deal.

    You want soul crushing? Go make a warrior on the classic servers and try to chain pull Zhevra in whites at XR (cause you likely haven't gotten anything from quests yet). Go try farming in the reaches of the plaguelands with those 10-30 minute debuffs taking away your total accumulated hit chance, hp regen, and greatly restricting your ability to use food (cause forcing you to stand every 5 seconds wasting your food)... go experience the feeling of a couple deaths costing you your accumulated gold from farming because it barely covered your repair bill... THAT is soul crushing. I don't know what metric "i don't feel a drive to play" is on the 'soul crush-o-meter' but I don't recognize it as such.
    I'm doing that right now. What's soul crushing about it? The only bad thing about levelling in Classic is the travel. If you can't handle a few deaths or don't know how to deal with mechanics then maybe WoW isn't for you. Honestly, trying to compare levelling in Classic to BfA? How try hard do you have to be? I bet you're the type of person that always has to one up people. "Feeling sad cause your gf dumped you? You don't get to feel sad because there are people dying in Africa". Now I feel sad for you. Is that ok for me to feel sad? Or are my feelings irrelevent because of all the wars.
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    why so mad bro

  3. #183
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    Leveling in BFA is so easy and quick it's boring in ways. I have 8 120s and I tried to start leveling my druid, but I just don't feel like it. Not that it's hard or anything, I mean it's silly to say, but it's so damn easy it's just boring. I already have a full set of benthic gear for that druid as well, but I just don't level it. Doing too much with other characters I guess.

  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by stresskiller View Post
    ahhh hidden things

    thank you now i can show that leveling really isn't that hard
    Hey I'm right there with you bro



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    It's not about difficulty to me it's about enjoyment. Yeah I can do it, I can level to max ezpz but will I enjoy it or will it be poop.
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  5. #185
    I did three, Hunter bm, Druid feral, and a protection paladin. It wasn’t soul crushing, just that terrible grind on the necklace has me not even going near another. The actual leveling is better than say classic at lest.

  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    I'm doing that right now. What's soul crushing about it?
    I'm guessing you missed my last paragraph... particularly concerning barely covering repairs with your farming or hitting walls due to lack of gear (mileage may vary but say you avoid instances for awhile for whatever reason and get to lvl 20~ and never see greens have fun)

    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    The only bad thing about levelling in Classic is the travel.
    I will disagree about the 'only' here... poor balance between classes can be a gross factor depending on where you're at. Like I for one hated being an under geared warrior barely able to handle same level enemies without kiting them for 'joust' maneuvers to save hp and food.
    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    If you can't handle a few deaths or don't know how to deal with mechanics then maybe WoW isn't for you.
    Please do note I was not the one saying that I'm not enjoying things. I was pointing out how the OP was calling the game 'soul crushing' while only citing material that pertained to leveling speed. Do keep in mind that BFA might be among the fastest expansions to level in, more so when considering the more recent times, deriding the lack of a 300% xp potion is hilarious and I only cited classic because it takes something liek 10 times as long if not longer to not even reach 60 let alone do... say... 1-120 on multiple characters on the retail game.
    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    Honestly, trying to compare levelling in Classic to BfA? How try hard do you have to be?
    Considering this back and forth you initiated? I think you need to be a little less pot meet kettle.
    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    I bet you're the type of person that always has to one up people. "Feeling sad cause your gf dumped you? You don't get to feel sad because there are people dying in Africa". Now I feel sad for you. Is that ok for me to feel sad? Or are my feelings irrelevent because of all the wars.
    Projection thy name is...

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    like others have said, getting to 120 isnt hard, but the ap and the essences is so fcking annoying on an alt...

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    It's brutal because of poor game design and the fact that you're not actually having fun.

    Praise the the artists, praise the story team. Praise the raid/dungeon teams... But place all of the blame on the systems team.
    Knowledge is power, and power corrupts. So study hard and be evil.

  9. #189
    Retail wow just feels bad to level up because you don't ever feel like you get invested into a character. Leveling is so fast, gear is replaced so fast, professions don't matter, transmog,titles,achieves are all cross realm so you don't get into the character. It feels like a grind to get into raids and thats it. you feel immersed in older xpacs because theres other stuff that is important to do. Classic right now I have a level 46 mage and priest. Both I feel great to replace any piece of gear, i feel great to sit in a city and just talk in guild. It feels great to work towards anything when your character has VALUE to it. I have like 15 level 110 toons and it feels bad to work for even 1 level on live wow because none of the achievements, gear, grinds feel worthwhile to do.

  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilly32 View Post
    I have played every expansion since Vanilla. I can say without a doubt that BFA is the most soul crushing expansion to date when it comes to leveling Alts. Going into BFA's launch I had 5 chars sitting at 110. Just over 1 year later and the only 120 I have is my Druid that I leveled up the first week it was live. My second highest is only 114. Its just miserable trying to level up anything else and it sucks any fun right out of the game. In the past year I even took a few month long breaks here and there just to keep from burning out. I come back ready to go and then after a week of trying to level and Alt I just quit again. I cant think of an expansion that even comes close to being as shitty when it comes to leveling. I didnt really like WoD leveling either but it was at least bearable with the 300% pots. Wrath, Cata, and MoP were all extremely fun to level up in. As much as people hate on Cataclysm it wasnt even close to being this bad. This is probably going to be the first expansion where I only have a single max level character. Does anyone else feel the same way?
    Your joking right?

    Heirlooms plus warmode plus dark moon faire buff plus invasion XP boost plus selecting herbing and mining as professions= level up VERY fast

  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Drusin View Post
    Hey I'm right there with you bro



    It's not about difficulty to me it's about enjoyment. Yeah I can do it, I can level to max ezpz but will I enjoy it or will it be poop.
    ahh another altoholic

  12. #192
    I wouldn't say it's brutal in BFA but yeah, definitely seems more annoying to reach to 120 in BFA comparing to previous expansions. After all, somewhere around Cataclysm, Blizzard stated that they do not want players to run around with 20 alts but having 3-4 is fine.

    I have main (warlock), warrior and shaman on 120.

  13. #193
    I have 17 120s. Leveling neck after getting 120 is just tiresome, wtf is this minimum 1k AP for next level? In Legion AP reduction was simple, without set minimum AP to next trait. Well, with 8.2 at least you get free 35 level upgrade to alts.

  14. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    You are right. I want to be playing a game that I don't want to play. I want to login, look at my character and then logoff. I want to start levelling, realise it's boring as hell and then not touch it for a couple of weeks. This is exactly why I pay my subscription.
    *eyeroll*

    What a stupid response.
    Because you, somehow think, that, starting something with a negative attitude won't give you a bad experience.

    sure.

  15. #195
    I always liked leveling by quests. They just arent as fun in this expansion. I could do Wrath and MoP quests all day long and never get tired of them. I tried doing dungeons but as a DPS the queues can get pretty long.

  16. #196
    [QUOTE=stresskiller;51628727]
    Quote Originally Posted by CaliKat View Post

    what did you use to make this screenshot ? i'm not aware of a program that can show all you chars ... in one screen
    I went to World of Warcraft, then clicked on my my character icon in the upper right, then there's a link that says view all characters.

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