1. #4961
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post

    The military is sworn to defend the nation against threats foreign and domestic, and in THIS case, most rank and file military members feel sworn to defend the nation against the democrats because they see the democrats as a domestic threat. ESPECIALLY if they impeach Trump.
    That's ridiculous. I honestly think you have no clue what you're talking about. Or are just trying to incite hyperbolic remarks to report for he-who-shall-not-be-named to swoop down. That is my frank and fair opinion.

    Impeachment is in the Constitution. Article II. Section 4.

    So you're saying they would rebel against the Constitution... to defend the constitution. Wat?

    Impeachment is a political question. You know. The thing the military rigidly steers clear of while in active service.

    Not to mention that retired senior military officers, almost uniformly, denounce Trump. McRaven, the guy who bagged Osama bin Laden, just called him out as attacking the country.


    Trump will be impeached. The end is here. Ambassador William Taylor today sealed Trump's fate.

  2. #4962
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    the rank and file military is much further to the right than the general public in the US. if you dont believe that i question if you are an american.
    And I guarantee, that if Trump is removed, and China and Russia try to help him along with the few Military personnel that try to defend him, the rest of the world will step in and remove him, except maybe Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and North Korea besides China and Russia.

  3. #4963
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    the rank and file military is much further to the right than the general public in the US. if you dont believe that i question if you are an american.
    My closest friend - like a brother to me - did two tours in Afghanistan in the US Army, and a third tour as a contractor.

    He is a Trump supporter.

    And I love him like a brother. And would do anything for him.

    I've seen this person grow into the remarkable person they've become through that service. I disagree with him about politics. That's about 0.001% of the relationship. I think I know a thing or two about military people. And I think you have no clue about what unites Americans that makes your absurd postings no more than meaningless crazy talk.

  4. #4964
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    I'm telling you. There is absolutely ZERO chance of Trump's base accepting his impeachment. None. They view it as a coup. They've been saying its a coup for years. They will revolt.
    I don't know about you guys but I'm convinced! Clearly what a small group of idiots think matters ergo we should just let good ol trumpy do whatever the fuck he wants!
    In other news screaming children should be given everything they want while screaming so they stop there's no way they will just scream louder next time!
    /S

  5. #4965
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Mods why is Kokolums not banned for conspiracy theories?
    I'm increasingly convinced this forum is some kind of sociological experiment.

    It's a maze.
    We're the mice.
    The purpose it so gauge our reaction to stimuli.

    It's the only reasonable explanation I can come up with at this point.

  6. #4966
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    That's ridiculous. I honestly think you have no clue what you're talking about. Or are just trying to incite hyperbolic remarks to report for he-who-shall-not-be-named to swoop down. That is my frank and fair opinion.
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/if-tru...military-stand

    snippets of this article...

    If Trump’s Rage Brings ‘Civil War,’ Where Will the Military Stand?
    Patricia Ravalgi
    Updated 10.06.19 3:25AM ET / Published 10.05.19 8:04PM ET

    Earlier this week Donald Trump, commander in chief of the U.S. armed forces, tweeted that his impeachment “will cause a Civil War” from which the country might never recover.

    Where would the U.S. military stand in such a situation? A view from the inside indicates the armed forces are as divided as the rest of the country—and divided is a dangerous place for the U.S. military to find itself.

    Recent polling shows that among military veterans, approval ratings for Trump are higher than among the civilian population. In my experience, the support for Donald Trump among a large segment of the U.S. military is downright cult-like.

    The man with a decades-long public record of immoral and unethical behavior, who had never served in uniform or undertook any public service to his country, tweeted juvenile insults about retired four-star generals like Colin Powell, John Allen, Stanley McChrystal, Michael Hayden and Martin Dempsey. Several of these decorated, battle-hardened generals, were life-long Republicans who had devoted their lives to serving their country. Yet they believed so strongly that Trump was a national security danger they took the extraordinary step of breaking with military tradition to criticize him publicly.

    In normal times, this would have dealt a severe blow to any campaign and made a serious dent in support among the military. But the attacks by the generals, and Trump’s willingness to return fire, only endeared him to the rank and file more.

    Once Trump had secured the Republican nomination, their panic led to a less-than-transparent attempt to help her candidacy by criticizing Trump’s sophomoric approach to national security. It backfired supremely, and only strengthened Trump’s support among the troops.

    Despite all this, the devotion to Trump from a large segment of the military was unwavering. Hearing military personnel, including Vietnam veterans, parrot Trump’s attacks against John McCain, who spent five agonizing years as a POW in the Hanoi Hilton, was shocking and unsettling. It was the rank and file, not the generals, Trump was courting with his calls for military parades.

    Trump learned from Flynn that there were grievances and resentments within the military establishment to be exploited. Highly intelligent active duty and retired military officers with outstanding service records (not “deplorables”) could be heard at CENTCOM repeating far-right-wing conspiracy theories like: “Hillary murdered a lot of people” and “Obama is a Kenyan Black Muslim,” “The FBI and the CIA are corrupt,” “The media is fake news.” Trump’s attacks and abuse of their former bosses, and even of a Gold Star family, didn’t seem to impact their opinion of him.

    Once Trump was elected, they wholeheartedly bought into his claims that the “deep state” and the “fake news media” were now plotting a coup against him. Some would call themselves “nationalists,” not having the basic understanding of the difference between “nationalism” and “patriotism.” (The political divide also cut across racial lines. African-Americans serving in the military had a deep admiration and affection for the first black commander in chief, not shared by their white counterparts. One Army major, an Iraq War veteran, gave voice to many others in the military, telling me, “The military hates Obama.”)

    CENTCOM’s environment, and especially that of the Joint Intelligence Center (JIC) which houses all the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) analysts, felt political the moment you walked through its doors. Televisions in the lobby, the reception areas, in private office spaces, and even in the employee and visitor’s cafe—were tuned to FOX News. It was Orwellian in its pervasiveness. People at their desks were streaming FOX News while reading Drudge and Breitbart.

    This was especially alarming coming from intelligence analysts who were parroting Trump’s insults of the former Intelligence Community chiefs who had sounded the alarms regarding the Trump campaign’s contacts with Russians. A very senior NSA liaison intelligence officer said he had proof the hacking of Hillary Clinton’s emails was “an inside job” and not really WikiLeaks and the Russians. It was hard to understand why these military intelligence experts felt compelled to denigrate so vigorously the assessments of the rest of the intelligence community, specifically when it came to Trump—nor the ferocity with which they personally defended him.

    In their private time many watched internet trolls. “Did you see this! Hillary has Parkinson’s disease!” Were our military intelligence analysts a victim of the same Russian influence campaign that affected so much of the civilian population? Like a scene from The Manchurian Candidate, if you criticized Trump, they answered with “Hillary” did this, or “Obama” did that. It was almost as if they’d been programmed.

    The parroting of Trump took other disturbing turns. One also began to hear in casual conversation analysts at CENTCOM making disparaging remarks against the Western coalition partners—the Canadians, Brits, French, Germans—and against NATO in general, as “deadbeats.” Officers back from visits to Gulf States boasted how mutual the relief was in the region that Obama was gone, Hillary had lost, and there was “a new sheriff in town.”


    He's got the rank and file military members in his pocket. The rank and file will turn on their generals and commanders in a civil unrest situation brought about by impeachment. They will back Trump.

  7. #4967
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    I am not advocating for a coup. I'm not rooting for this. This is the path to nuclear destruction. Stop with the lies.

    The military is sworn to defend the nation against threats foreign and domestic, and in THIS case, most rank and file military members feel sworn to defend the nation against the democrats because they see the democrats as a domestic threat. ESPECIALLY if they impeach Trump.
    *Citation needed

    Unless this is just another example of you fantasizing about a violent coup wherein Trump is officially installed as lifelong dictator of the US.

  8. #4968
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/if-tru...military-stand

    snippets of this article...

    He's got the rank and file military members in his pocket.
    Grats you fell for clickbait. I don't think you read it also. It doesn't say what you think it says.

  9. #4969
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    -snip- because we don't need to see this block of blue bullshit.
    Your point? Because nothing from a fucking opinion article means anything except to the highly gullible people like you.

  10. #4970
    I'll im going to say @Kokolums before I throw you on ignore (and see my comment, it now makes you invisible), is that Ambassador Taylor just delivered the biggest possible nail into Trump's coffin on Tuesday. I don't know what mischief you think you're accomplishing, but you better make your peace with the fact the end has come. The future is taking shape, and all that remains is the specifics of what happens in the moment of crisis.

    But Trump is a doomed President walking, and everyone knows it. Which is why McConnell threw him under a bus today.

  11. #4971
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Your point? Because nothing from a fucking opinion article means anything except to the highly gullible people like you.
    Where is your article showing that rank and file will support Trump. You have none. I know. Because its a lie.

  12. #4972
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Where is your article showing that rank and file will support Trump. You have none. I know. Because its a lie.
    Will support Trump? Because, you just tried, and again, I don't think they are that stupid to follow a fucking TRAITOR.

  13. #4973
    See there. People ask me for links. I post a link. And of COURSE it does no good. They will immediately say I'm still wrong and ignore me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Will support Trump? Because, you just tried, and again, I don't think they are that stupid to follow a fucking TRAITOR.
    See, you have no articles, no anything to support your opinion. All you have is ad hominem fallacies calling the idea stupid and calling me a traitor.

  14. #4974
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Will support Trump? Because, you just tried, and again, I don't think they are that stupid to follow a fucking TRAITOR.
    Going to recommend you stop replying to him. He's trying to bait-and-report.

  15. #4975
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    See there. People ask me for links. I post a link. And of COURSE it does no good. They will immediately say I'm still wrong and ignore me.

    - - - Updated - - -



    See, you have no articles, no anything to support your opinion. You're done.
    You posted a fucking opinion article that has no backing other than her asking a few people. That isn't indicative of the majority, that is nothing. So, I have just as much evidence of my claim as you do. But I will actually go with reality, not fucking conspiracy bullshit like you are. Because I doubt that our service men and women would willingly side with enemies to this nation.

  16. #4976
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    You posted a fucking opinion article that has no backing other than her asking a few people. That isn't indicative of the majority, that is nothing. So, I have just as much evidence of my claim as you do. But I will actually go with reality, not fucking conspiracy bullshit like you are. Because I doubt that our service men and women would willingly side with enemies to this nation.
    Psh. The daily beast is an award winning online journalism site. You've got nothing to support your opinions and so you need to attack me and the Daily Beast apparently. Look, if you can't produce anything to support your views, why not give it a rest.

  17. #4977
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    You posted a fucking opinion article that has no backing other than her asking a few people. That isn't indicative of the majority, that is nothing. So, I have just as much evidence of my claim as you do. But I will actually go with reality, not fucking conspiracy bullshit like you are. Because I doubt that our service men and women would willingly side with enemies to this nation.
    They will stay uninvolved and out of civilian affairs. The Guardians of American Democracy will burnish their historic reputation once again by doing what Putin's United Russia-ran Thug Military and the Chinese Communist Military would never do, which is let the law and the process decide.

    Removal of Donald Trump by the Constitutional process would be one of our nation's finest hours, particularly for the military which stays out of it, which is historically not a thing in the history of the world. The apolitical Armed Forces in the modern sense an American invention that we exported. It will illustrate for all the world to see that we're not speaking bullshit when we say we're a nation of laws, and the law is what decides, not men.

    I eagerly await the moment of reckoning. It will be a moment for all Americans to be proud of for decades to come. One cannot be redeemed if one does not fall first. And we have fallen so very far.

  18. #4978
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    They will stay uninvolved and out of civilian affairs. The Guardians of American Democracy will burnish their historic reputation once again by doing what Putin's United Russia-ran Thug Military and the Chinese Communist Military would never do, which is let the law and the process decide.

    Removal of Donald Trump by the Constitutional process would be one of our nation's finest hours, particularly for the military which stays out of it, which is historically not a thing in the history of the world. The apolitical Armed Forces in the modern sense an American invention that we exported. It will illustrate for all the world to see that we're not speaking bullshit when we say we're a nation of laws, and the law is what decides, not men.

    I eagerly await the moment of reckoning. It will be a moment for all Americans to be proud of for decades to come. One cannot be redeemed if one does not fall first. And we have fallen so very far.
    Yeah, I don't understand how the military would willingly side with someone that just stabbed our allies in the back that they have fought alongside for the last few years since ISIS formed. Just so Trump could keep his tower in Istanbul, and send them to help the murderous pieces of shit that probably bombed themselves in Saudi Arabia. Where Trump also gets a ton of money from.

  19. #4979
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Yeah, I don't understand how the military would willingly side with someone that just stabbed our allies in the back that they have fought alongside for the last few years since ISIS formed. Just so Trump could keep his tower in Istanbul, and send them to help the murderous pieces of shit that probably bombed themselves in Saudi Arabia. Where Trump also gets a ton of money from.
    This is all secondary. I cannot even believe you are engaging in that reasoning. The military will not do a coup (which is what was suggested) because if the military does a coup, it's dead. Every person remotely involved would be a traitor and everyone who doesn't actively try to stop them will have ended their careers. No longer will the people of the US treat the military with respect, no longer will they be untouchable by culture which always try to make a divide between the establishment and the troops. They will become the enemy of the people.
    WHO DOES THAT?
    Hail Lilith and see you in Hell!

  20. #4980
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    This is all secondary. I cannot even believe you are engaging in that reasoning. The military will not do a coup (which is what was suggested) because if the military does a coup, it's dead. Every person remotely involved would be a traitor and everyone who doesn't actively try to stop them will have ended their careers. No longer will the people of the US treat the military with respect, no longer will they be untouchable by culture which always try to make a divide between the establishment and the troops. They will become the enemy of the people.
    WHO DOES THAT?
    Conspiracy theorists and gullible morons? That is the only answer I have. I mean, look at the people that Trump has inspired to do domestic terrorist attacks.

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