1. #5041
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    It's almost like that was a completely different investigation based on completely different evidence looking into completely different matters, run by a completely different group of people under completely different rules.

    Also known as: Completely different matters that aren't directly comparable.
    Everyone here said we had enough with the Mueller report for not only impeachment but also criminal prosecution, was that a bust? If we keep waiting to investigate new stuff that happens then we will always be waiting because Trump is a criminal and there will always be new stuff, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Imagine mistaking an investigation for a jury.
    Everyone who has a vote needs to be aware of everything in the investigation, do you disagree with this principle?

  2. #5042
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    Imagine being on a Jury of 12 and only 1 gets to hear the evidence, then they judge says, ok here is one piece of paper but you all have to share. Sounds like that guy would walk free.
    That’s not what’s happening and you know it. All the evidence will be made public before the trial even occurs. Any comment on GOP members storming a SCIF they had no right to access? With cell phones no less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    Everyone here said we had enough with the Mueller report for not only impeachment but also criminal prosecution, was that a bust? If we keep waiting to investigate new stuff that happens then we will always be waiting because Trump is a criminal and there will always be new stuff, no?

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    Everyone who has a vote needs to be aware of everything in the investigation, do you disagree with this principle?
    Then why are you calling for a vote before they’ve come to the point in the investigation where they make the evidence public?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Not batons, but they should absolutely be removing them immediately. If they're not complying, they can be carried out if necessary. If they're still not complying, zip-tie their hands and remove them.
    I agree with you! The optics would be amazing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonstream View Post
    Ok so if there wasn't any doubt that they are acting like children; they were literally just brought "snacks".

    Good to know that the Gop has nothing better to do than squatting and eating cheez-its.
    If they want to act like misbehaving children, then they should be treated as such imo.

  5. #5045
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    Everyone who has a vote needs to be aware of everything in the investigation, do you disagree with this principle?
    So what, do you think that the House will vote to impeach and send to the Senate (who are functionally the 'jury' in this analogy) without including all the evidence supporting their articles of impeachment or something?

    And we've already covered this - https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ublic-hearings

    Democrats are doing early investigatory work for now and will open this up more to the public. Almost like they're not looking to have a public dog-and-pony show with the full investigation that Republicans would decry as nothing but a political stunt.

  6. #5046
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    That’s not what’s happening and you know it. All the evidence will be made public before the trial even occurs. Any comment on GOP members storming a SCIF they had no right to access? With cell phones no less?

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    Then why are you calling for a vote before they’ve come to the point in the investigation where they make the evidence public?

    It's very unprecedented, we have Clinton to compare how his investigation went.

  7. #5047
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    No, I want it done thoroughly. Rushing it only benefits the criminals. As with any investigation.
    Agreed. Rushing investigations is how we got Brett Kravenugh as a SC seat. >_<

  8. #5048
    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    I agree with you! The optics would be amazing!
    They would be!

    "Lawless Republicans jeopardizing secure locations forcefully removed by capitol police after refusing to abide by lawful orders."

    Would sure make any Republican ever trying to claim to be the party of "law and order" have an uphill battle in selling that bullshit.

  9. #5049
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    So what, do you think that the House will vote to impeach and send to the Senate (who are functionally the 'jury' in this analogy) without including all the evidence supporting their articles of impeachment or something?

    And we've already covered this - https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ublic-hearings

    Democrats are doing early investigatory work for now and will open this up more to the public. Almost like they're not looking to have a public dog-and-pony show with the full investigation that Republicans would decry as nothing but a political stunt.

    The House should have all the evidence, not just a select few

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvaliz View Post
    Agreed. Rushing investigations is how we got Brett Kravenugh as a SC seat. >_<
    Not to mention that there was nothing to it and everyone knew it which why nothing else has come of it.

  10. #5050
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    It's very unprecedented, we have Clinton to compare how his investigation went.
    You mean the investigation that was done privately by Starr before he released a public report? That investigation?

  11. #5051
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    You seem to be very confused. The investigation being conducted is into Ukraine, not Russia. Try to keep up.
    Not to mention that the Russia Mueller investigation turned up a ton of shit... but left it to Congress to act on it sighting he didn't believe in prosecuting a sitting president. That, and Dumbass Donnie's snugglebum releasing that clearly lying bullspit 'summary' the day before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    The House should have all the evidence, not just a select few

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    Not to mention that there was nothing to it and everyone knew it which why nothing else has come of it.
    And they will once the witnesses have been interviewed privately. At which time the transcripts of those private interviews will be released and public hearings will be held. Give it a couple weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvaliz View Post
    Not to mention that the Russia Mueller investigation turned up a ton of shit... but left it to Congress to act on it sighting he didn't believe in prosecuting a sitting president. That, and Dumbass Donnie's snugglebum releasing that clearly lying bullspit 'summary' the day before.
    And the only reason Congress didn’t act is because they didn’t have him on conspiracy charges in addition to his obstruction BS. This time they have him on everything.

  13. #5053
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    They would be!

    "Lawless Republicans jeopardizing secure locations forcefully removed by capitol police after refusing to abide by lawful orders."

    Would sure make any Republican ever trying to claim to be the party of "law and order" have an uphill battle in selling that bullshit.
    Nah... they'd shout "DEEP STATE" and be done with it.

    Then, their browncoats would goose-step onto the forums here and equate what's happening to them with Hong Kong Protests to misdirect rage.

  14. #5054
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    They would be!

    "Lawless Republicans jeopardizing secure locations forcefully removed by capitol police after refusing to abide by lawful orders."

    Would sure make any Republican ever trying to claim to be the party of "law and order" have an uphill battle in selling that bullshit.
    It’s sad when they’re more worried about protecting Trump than defending the Constitution they swore to uphold.

  15. #5055
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    It’s sad when they’re more worried about protecting Trump than defending the Constitution they swore to uphold.
    "Party before country" is becoming a depressingly real situation.

  16. #5056
    Everyone whining that they need to "investigate" more, please explain what they are investigating? The original "reason" for the whole inquiry was a whistleblower that was rendered worthless because of a real transcript instead of second hand knowledge. So now it's about whatever they want to try and find...so basically the same as every day since Trump was elected. This is fishing and is sad because you actually believe this illusion is an actual process . Schiff is bringing in sympathetic government officials who hate Trump. How can this inquiry be valid if only one party gets to ask questions and get details......it's a scam. If Republicans did this, you guys would be crying bloody murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    "Party before country" is becoming a depressingly real situation.
    Yes and an impeachment inquiry that only involves one party makes you very correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvaliz View Post
    Agreed. Rushing investigations is how we got Brett Kravenugh as a SC seat. >_<
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    Not to mention that there was nothing to it and everyone knew it which why nothing else has come of it.
    I love that you don't see the hypocrisy of your statement. Your bad faith posting is getting as desperate as the GOP's deflection.

    The House is moving along at the pace they wish, within the rules they set out. It's their show. If you're still confused by what they are doing, reread this thread - people have answered your questions a half-dozen times already.

  18. #5058
    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    For the same reason that the police conducts a formal investigation even though they may have conclusive evidence. To form a bulletproof case to bring in front of a jury (the Senate).

    I'm disappointed that you're so against due process. It really puts a dent in your claims to be an independent in favor of law and order.
    what evidence do they have? This inquiry was over a whistleblower and a phone call that he had second hand knowledge of. His testimony was going to be so bad that they canceled it after Trump released a transcript of the call. Why are they conducting their own Mueller probe when they already got proven false about the original reason for the inquiry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    The House should have all the evidence, not just a select few
    This is complete horseshit.

    The House isn't voting on Articles of Impeachment right now, to begin with.

    We're literally not at the stage of this that you're claiming. You're lying about really basic elements of procedure, to push partisan propaganda.

    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    Everyone whining that they need to "investigate" more, please explain what they are investigating? The original "reason" for the whole inquiry was a whistleblower that was rendered worthless because of a real transcript instead of second hand knowledge.
    Nah.

    Making up wrong shit like this and pretending it's true isn't an argument. That's all the counter-argument it deserves. "Nah".

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    what evidence do they have? This inquiry was over a whistleblower and a phone call that he had second hand knowledge of. His testimony was going to be so bad that they canceled it after Trump released a transcript of the call. Why are they conducting their own Mueller probe when they already got proven false about the original reason for the inquiry?
    Wow, not one truthful sentence in that whole entire word salad.

    Have fun living in your own separate reality.

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