1. #5141
    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    It's more like Biden, Warren, Sanders and Buttigieg as he's surpassed Sanders in Iowa at this point and is within 5-7% of Warren and Biden in most recent polls.

    Realistically the field needs to be winnowed down to 4-5 so people actually start paying attention to the debates.
    This entire system of having month long primaries with 10-15-20-30+ candidates is one of the key reasons why sitting presidents are often reelected: fundraising and lack of focus.

    Just pick your candidate and focus completely on him/her and the battle against Trump. All for one.

  2. #5142
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...un-the-country

    President Trump vented his frustration Monday about the criticisms leveled against him over recent controversies, including his Syria pullout decision, the location of the 2020 G-7 summit and the House’s “illegitimate” impeachment inquiry, while saying the "president of the United States should be allowed to run the country, not have to focus on this kind of crap."
    In which the sitting Republican President of the United States seems to be under the mistaken assumption that he's a dictator and not an elected public servant with clear limitations on his power and checks from co-equal branches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    In which the sitting Republican President of the United States seems to be under the mistaken assumption that he's a dictator
    It's amazing the lack of self-awareness when he says that about all three of those being consequences of his own actions. I'm not sure which is worse, what that says about the Oval Office or what that says about Trump the human being.

    No-one is above the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    It's amazing the lack of self-awareness when he says that about all three of those being consequences of his own actions. I'm not sure which is worse, what that says about the Oval Office or what that says about Trump the human being.

    Our President
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    October 21, 2019 9:07 am

    "I know this is the first thing we learned about Trump. It’s obvious, ingrained, just basic to his whole personality. But it is still remarkable the degree to which at least half of Trump’s emotional life seems based on anger at close advisors and associates who are unable to clean up his messes to his own standards and satisfaction. Sometimes perhaps a staffer is hapless. But in virtually every case it is simply that his own actions make clean ups close to impossible. It is just a remarkable, beyond-caricature example of absent self-awareness, entitlement and, yes, narcissism."

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/our-president

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    "Every time we have a deposition, it leads us in a slightly different direction,"
    Rep. Gerry Connolly

    Jesus, why is the GOP so corrupt?

  6. #5146
    It’s every man for himself right now on Trump and Ukraine

    If you want a friend in Washington, as the saying goes, get a dog.

    But at this point, President Trump and some of his top aides would probably settle for someone willing to defend them.

    A sampling:

    The Justice Department said Mulvaney’s explanation of why Ukraine military aid was held up was “news to us.”

    Jay Sekulow, a personal attorney for Trump, emphasized that his team wasn’t involved in Mulvaney’s news conference. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo declined to vouch for Mulvaney’s account on Sunday.

    The Justice Department is distancing itself from Giuliani’s actions on Ukraine.

    So is Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union.

    So did Kurt Volker, the special envoy to Ukraine.

    Sondland wouldn’t vouch for Trump on the lack of a Ukraine quid pro quo.

    Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) now says he’s open to impeachment if there is evidence of a real quid pro quo with Ukraine.

    And the unwillingness to defend Trump has extended to Syria and plans to hold the Group of Seven summit at a Trump property in Florida, with the White House being forced to drop the idea due to a private uprising among Republicans already weary of defending Trump on impeachment.



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    Trump Rages Over Republican Defections as Democrats Press on Impeachment

  7. #5147
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    If you want a friend in Washington, as the saying goes, get a dog.
    This goes a lot in explaining why Dumbass Dump is the first president in over a century to not have a dog. ;P

    - - - Updated - - -

    While it was just Dump apparently raging about Mitt Romney, these are still the moments I'm waiting for is when Dumbass Dump turns on the Republicans. In here, he's just saying "Republicans don't stick together like Democrats, they have people like Mitt Romney".

    It's a start, but at least it's nice to see him finally taking a swing at his own Republican foundation... the only foundation he has left...

  8. #5148
    Quote Originally Posted by mvaliz View Post
    This goes a lot in explaining why Dumbass Dump is the first president in over a century to not have a dog. ;P
    I wouldn't trust Trump with a dog. Dog would be eating McDonald's. And that's probably the least of the issues with Trump and a dog.

  9. #5149
    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...e-lead-vpx.cnn

    Apparently the WSJ got a hold of images from recently arrested Lev Parnas' Instagram account.

    Contrary to Trump's claims that he has no clue who he is, he's sure in a lot of photo's with Trump and his family members. And a signed picture from Trump.

    https://twitter.com/CourtneyHagle/st...69796721217537

    CNN may be regretting their decision to hire former GOP Rep Sean Duffy.

    Because his he was back with a second appearance to literally re-promote DNC server conspiracy theories.

    This is pretty wild. Host Alisyn Camerota was having none of it and you can hear how totally done with him she is after he first opens his mouth to seriously promote the Crowdstrike conspiracy...and then go onto defend quid pro quo while asserting that it didn't happen.

    They're not sending their best. They're sending their dumbest, their most ignorant, these aren't the best of the best.
    Last edited by Edge-; 2019-10-21 at 10:05 PM.

  10. #5150
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...e-lead-vpx.cnn

    Apparently the WSJ got a hold of images from recently arrested Lev Parnas' Instagram account.

    Contrary to Trump's claims that he has no clue who he is, he's sure in a lot of photo's with Trump and his family members. And a signed picture from Trump.

    https://twitter.com/CourtneyHagle/st...69796721217537

    CNN may be regretting their decision to hire former GOP Rep Sean Duffy.

    Because his he was back with a second appearance to literally re-promote DNC server conspiracy theories.

    This is pretty wild. Host Alisyn Camerota was having none of it and you can hear how totally done with him she is after he first opens his mouth to seriously promote the Crowdstrike conspiracy...and then go onto defend quid pro quo while asserting that it didn't happen.

    They're not sending their best. They're sending their dumbest, their most ignorant, these aren't the best of the best.
    Yeah, totally didn't know him, covfefe boy.

  11. #5151
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    They're not sending their best. They're sending their dumbest, their most ignorant, these aren't the best of the best.
    Some of them, I assume, are just bad people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    It’s every man for himself right now on Trump and Ukraine

    If you want a friend in Washington, as the saying goes, get a dog.

    But at this point, President Trump and some of his top aides would probably settle for someone willing to defend them.

    A sampling:

    The Justice Department said Mulvaney’s explanation of why Ukraine military aid was held up was “news to us.”

    Jay Sekulow, a personal attorney for Trump, emphasized that his team wasn’t involved in Mulvaney’s news conference. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo declined to vouch for Mulvaney’s account on Sunday.

    The Justice Department is distancing itself from Giuliani’s actions on Ukraine.

    So is Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union.

    So did Kurt Volker, the special envoy to Ukraine.

    Sondland wouldn’t vouch for Trump on the lack of a Ukraine quid pro quo.

    Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) now says he’s open to impeachment if there is evidence of a real quid pro quo with Ukraine.

    And the unwillingness to defend Trump has extended to Syria and plans to hold the Group of Seven summit at a Trump property in Florida, with the White House being forced to drop the idea due to a private uprising among Republicans already weary of defending Trump on impeachment.



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    Trump Rages Over Republican Defections as Democrats Press on Impeachment
    Every Republican was behind Nixon during the entire investigation... and used a lot of the same propaganda and rhetoric.

    But when it began to look like he was indefensible, they suddenly turned on him. When he looked for friends in the house to vote against his impeachment, he found none, and that was when he decided to resign instead of being voted out.

    Of course we know much of the same will play out with Trump. Many are already turning on him, and when he finds no allies in the Senate, he's not going to resign gracefully. He's going to be dragged kicking and screaming out of the white house in handcuffs after the Senate vote to remove him.
    "Nazis are like cats. If they like you, it's probably because you're feeding them." -John Oliver
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Knadra finally just admitting Trumpkins care more about political victories than morals.

  13. #5153
    Super relevant to the Ukraine situation -
    Trump got advice on Ukraine from Putin and Orban.

    Putin and Hungary’s Orban helped sour Trump on Ukraine

    President Trump’s effort to pressure Ukraine for information he could use against political rivals came as he was being urged to adopt a hostile view of that country by its regional adversaries, including Russian President Vladi*mir Putin, current and former U.S. officials said.

    Trump’s conversations with Putin, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban and others reinforced his perception of Ukraine as a hopelessly corrupt country — one that Trump now also appears to believe sought to undermine him in the 2016 U.S. election, the officials said.

    Neither of those foreign leaders specifically encouraged Trump to see Ukraine as a potential source of damaging information about Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, nor did they describe Kyiv as complicit in an unsubstantiated 2016 election conspiracy, officials said.

    But their disparaging depictions of Ukraine reinforced Trump’s perceptions of the country and fed a dysfunctional dynamic in which White House officials struggled to persuade Trump to support the fledgling government in Kyiv instead of exploiting it for political purposes, officials said.


    The role played by Putin and Orban, a hard-right leader who has often allied himself with the Kremlin’s positions, was described in closed-door testimony last week by George Kent, a deputy assistant secretary of state, before House impeachment investigators, U.S. officials said.

    Kent cited the influence of those leaders as a factor that helped sour Trump on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in the months leading up to their July 25 phone call — a conversation that triggered an extraordinary whistleblower complaint as well as a House impeachment inquiry.

    U.S. officials emphasized that while Putin and Orban denigrated Ukraine, Trump’s decision to seek damaging material on Biden was more directly driven by Trump’s own impulses and Kyiv conspiracy theories promoted by his attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani.

    In their early May phone call, Putin “did what he always does” in seeking to undercut the United States’ relationship with Ukraine, said a former U.S. official familiar with details of the conversation. “He has always said Ukraine is just a den of corruption.”

    The efforts to poison Trump’s views toward Zelensky were anticipated by national security officials at the White House, officials said. But the voices of Putin and Orban took on added significance this year because of the departure or declining influence of those who had sought to blunt the influence of Putin and other authoritarian leaders over Trump.


    Officials cited the departures of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly, both of whom had backed U.S. military assistance to Ukraine but were no longer in position to protect that stream of funding when it was suspended in the weeks leading up to Trump’s July 25 phone call.

    National security adviser John Bolton was also seen as a fervent backer of Ukraine in its conflict with Russia, but his relationship with Trump deteriorated rapidly this year before he was pushed out of the White House last month.

    “Over time you just see a wearing down of the defenses,” a former White House official said, describing the struggle to contest the influence of Giuliani, Putin and Orban.

    The House impeachment inquiry is centered on Trump’s alleged attempt to use the power of his office to coerce Ukraine into taking measures that the president hoped would help him in the 2020 election.

    There is no evidence that Putin spoke about Biden or endorsed Giuliani’s unsubstantiated claims that it was Ukraine — and not Russia — that had interfered in the 2016 election. Still, officials said that treating Ukraine as a pawn is consistent with Putin’s approach toward the former Soviet republic.

    American policy has for years been “built around containing malign Russian influence” in Eastern Europe, a U.S. official said. Trump’s apparent susceptibility to the arguments he hears from Putin and Orban are “an example of the president himself under malign influence — being steered by it.”

    The official and others spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of internal discussions at the White House and the ongoing impeachment inquiry.

    The White House did not respond to requests for comment.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...5ce_story.html

    Say it with me now - TRUMPS UKRAINE CALL WAS PERFECT AND IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COUNTRY AND TOTALLY NOT INFLUENCED BY PUTIN
    Last edited by kaelleria; 2019-10-21 at 10:49 PM.

  14. #5154
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Ah, and infracted for forbidden topics. Too bad things are never addressed which is why we are forced to keep discussing forbidden topics in the first place.

    And again.

    DO NOT FEED HIM!

    You aren't helping the thread by doing so, you are derailing it with a known bad faith poster. This isn't a forbidden topic and as such, you shouldn't have edited it out.

    [Infracted]
    @Rozz

    What exactly isn't forbidden? We can't talk about moderation, so I didn't talk about moderation. Are we banned from even mentioning the concept of forbidden topics in the abstract now? Seriously?

    How is this against the rules but we have so many others who derail this stuff for 10-15 pages at a time allowed to continue unabated?
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    Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
    "mmo-champion.com##li.postbitignored"
    to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.

  15. #5155
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9165006.html

    Donald Trump could not appear to focus during his first briefing of his presidency with top-level officials at the Pentagon, according to a stunning new account written by former Defence Secretary James Mattis’ chief speech writer.

    Guy Snodgrass, who served as Mr Mattis’ speech writer until the former defence secretary left the administration in December 2018, detailed the president’s first briefing in which he was expected to learn about all of the places around the world with US forces and embassies.

    “That is not at all what happened,” Mr Snodgrass wrote in a Politico article on Monday. The report is adapted from his new book, Holding the Line: Inside Trump’s Pentagon With Secretary Mattis.

    Mr Snodgrass said Mr Trump “burst out in the middle of the meeting” and began to describe his recent visit to France, where he met President Emanuel Macron and attended the country’s Bastille Day celebrations.

    “I just returned from France,” the president said, according to Mr Snodgrass. “Did you see President Macron’s handshake? … He wouldn’t let go. He just kept holding on. I spent two hours at Bastille Day. Very impressive.”

    The president reportedly went on to say that he wanted a “Victory Day” celebration similar to the event he witnessed in France, adding: “The Fourth of July is too hot”.

    “I want vehicles and tanks on Main Street. On Pennsylvania Avenue, from the Capitol to the White House. We need spirit! We should blow everybody away with this parade,” the president reportedly said. “The French had an amazing parade on Bastille Day with tanks and everything. Why can’t we do that?”

    The former speech writer, who helped Mr Mattis prepare for briefings with the president, said he learned to only bring “slides with pictures … no words” to future meetings with Mr Trump.

    “Trump veered from topic to topic—Syria, Mexico, a recent Washington Post story he didn’t like—like a squirrel caught in traffic, dashing one way and then another,” Mr Snodgrass wrote. “The issues were complicated, yet all of the president’s answers were simplistic and ad hoc. He was shooting from the hip on issues of global importance.”

    The president’s aides have previously acknowledged he prefers pictures and videos with “killer graphics” compared to words in his daily intelligence briefings.

    “That’s our task, right?” then-CIA Director Mike Pompeo said in a Washington Post report published in 2017. “To deliver the material in a way that he can best understand the information we’re trying to communicate.”

    It was also previously reported that Mr Trump was enamoured by France’s Bastille Day celebrations and had ordered his own US military parade shortly after.

    Still, Mr Snodgrass’ account provides an inside look at how Pentagon officials and others were aware of those claims about the president long before they were published in the national media.

    He said Mr Trump “scowled” when his defence secretary spoke in excessive detail, but was energised by “a visual depiction” of US forces in between Japan and South Korea.

    But the president reportedly veered off track, calling the nation’s trade agreements “criminal” and adding: “Japan and South Korea are taking advantage of the United States.”
    Donald Trump is a national security threat. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    @Rozz

    What exactly isn't forbidden? We can't talk about moderation, so I didn't talk about moderation. Are we banned from even mentioning the concept of forbidden topics in the abstract now? Seriously?

    How is this against the rules but we have so many others who derail this stuff for 10-15 pages at a time allowed to continue unabated?
    That's what we have a report function for. Use it and leave the rest to the moderation staff. Now stop discussing moderation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xskarma View Post
    That's what we have a report function for. Use it and leave the rest to the moderation staff. Now stop discussing moderation.
    I mean, I have, and it still doesn't change anything. Some people have spewed lies and bullshit for 15-20 pages, and nothing happens. And I am not just going to sit there and let them do that unchallenged, this is how we got Trump in the first place.

  18. #5158
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...ulvaney-053781

    So, how did Republicans view Mulvaney's performance this weekend?

    As Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley, the most senior GOP senator, put it: Mulvaney is “probably somebody that didn’t know what they were talking about.
    It’s hard to figure out what led him to make some of those statements last week, both in the initial news conference and then the follow-up. I’m glad they walked some of that stuff back but yeah, it’s hard to explain,” Senate Majority Whip John Thunesaid in an interview. “He’s trying to make amends and correct the record, so to speak, so we’ll see. Ultimately he serves at the pleasure of the president.”
    It seems starkly at odds with what the president had been saying and what others in the administration had been saying,” Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), said of Mulvaney’s initial comments. “I don’t think it’s helpful. It’s certainly a distraction… it’s certainly introduced a lot of static.”
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...ulvaney-053781

    Ouch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xskarma View Post
    That's what we have a report function for. Use it and leave the rest to the moderation staff. Now stop discussing moderation.
    I believe the report function might be broken. Can you look into it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Rep. Gerry Connolly

    Jesus, why is the GOP so corrupt?
    Rats running to the topmost decks on a sinking ship. But we need to get them to start abandoning it.



    Pelosi needs to be making motions to enforce these subpoenas. The lack of progress is letting the GOP settle on a narrative to spin to their base. The hits have to keep coming hard and fast to keep them slipping up.
    “Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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