Jumping out in front of this one before there's a problem.
It is not possible to prove a negative. At least not realistically. Unless Trump was under 100% constant surveilance whi...surveilence...surveillance...there we go, fucking red underline. Unless Trump was being recorded 24/7 and we have the tapes, it won't be possible to prove there was never a quid pro quo.
Good news: we no longer have to. We now have multiple people saying yes, there was a quid pro quo, and it came from Trump directly.
By the way, we've seen that recent effort by Team Trump to paint the Bidens as corrupt basically fall apart. It probably had something to do with the Trump family saying "Hey, using your father's position of wealth and power for your own ends is wrong! What? Why is does everyone look at me funny when I say that?"
How long does this process generally take?
Mulvaney is one of a few people I was focused on...because these vile bastards need to have their reputations destroyed before they bite it.
This is massive news if confirmed. Massive and important.
Mulvaney was one of the leaders of the freedom caucus, and certainly the "intellectual leader". The "Paul Ryan" of the group in a sense.
Removing him and replacing him with a Trumphadi won't sever the ex-Freedom Caucus from their fawning devotion to drump, but it will stress it. Trump's entire self-preservation strategy the first two years as built upon forging links to existing power bases. That's why you had Mulvaney brought on. That's why you had Elaine Chao (Moscow Mitch's wife). That's how you got Mattis and Dan Coats too. He's loosened himself of most of those, probably because he figures he doesn't need them anymore to ensure loyalty.
I wouldn't be so sure about that if I were him. Especially with regards to Senators.
Regardless Mulvaney going will damage Trump's relationship with house members to a degree.
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The testimony so far as we know, confirms and expands upon everything we've heard from prior witnesses.
Donald Trump, very simply, can't be President anymore, if rule of law is still a thing in this country. He didn't break a generous reading of the constitution... he broke a very explicit reading of the grounds for impeachment.
It's time for him to go. Good thing we elect a back-up in the VP.
There was no formal impeachment effort until the past month. Every President in modern times is subject to "he should be impeached for X" feelings. Obama saw it for the Benghazi non-converup. Bush saw it for Iraq War intelligence and torture. Clinton was impeached. Reagan saw it for Iran Contra. Investigating Trump's ties to Russia before hand was not an impeachment effort. It was an investigation by law enforcement and intelligence that could have yielded information that brought about that.
Republicans and Democrats both ask questions.
The whistleblower's testimony is being held back because of concerns about their saftey and protection from reprisal. Because what would happen is that once Devin Nunes got their name, he would tell it to Trump, and Trump would blast it on twitter. At the very least, he'd try witness intimidation (something that, even without they're name, the whistleblowers have expressed concern over). At most, one of his maniac supporters, already having seen them commit terrorist violence, would attack them or their family.
The law plainly states Whistleblowers must be protected from reprisal. The unique circumstance of the target being the President means it will be held until its absolutely needed. But I'm just gonna say... I wouldn't count on that being the case forever. There is a good chance, before this is over, you'll get your wish and not only will the Whistleblowers testify, but we'll know their names. And it will be devastating to the President.
I just want to point something crucial out TexasRules.... your entire posting strategy here is to run interference for Trump on a matter where he clearly committed wrong doing. Today his own ambassador confirmed with evidence a monster of a quid pro quo. It is almost like he read what the founders, chief among them, Alexander Hamilton had in mind, and decided to act upon it.
Do you care about the future? Because you should. Because this is what happens if Trump prevails. He will be gone in January 2021 or January 2025. But he will have established a new norm. A norm where future Presidents can do what he just did in Ukraine, and get away with it.
There will be Democratic Presidents in the future... and what would they be entitled to do? Seek help from the international community as a whole... say the European Union, in short circuiting any domestic Republican challenger. So long as they operated on the same grounds Trump laid, there is nothing to stop them from using their office and turning it against domestic enemies. That may sound great when your side is power. It won't be in power for ever.
Is that really what you want out of the Presidency? Because that's what we're going to get if Trump's wrong doing is validated. On top of that, add the corruption, the self dealing and everything else.
Fact is, Trump continuing to be President fundamentally undermines the integrity of the system. It's time for him to go. We have Pence.
You know why knows this most of all? Senate Republicans.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mcconn...all-with-trump
Mitch McConnell just said he doesn't recall ever talking to Trump about Ukraine, after Trump claimed McConnell said there was nothing wrong with Trump's Ukraine activities.
In other words McConnell just threw Trump under the bus. They're getting ready to cash out.
You should too. Before its too late.
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So here's a question: which really happened?
A) McConnell is telling the truth. Or their talks with Ukraine were not related to the current context, same thing.
B) McConnell is lying, but McConnell knows he was not recorded/nobody heard him that will rat him out.
C) McConnell is lying, and he knows he might be recorded/ratted out, but figures it doesn't matter anymore?
Most likely a mix of A and B.
McConnell and Trump had a phone call. Trump talked about it in his stream of consciousness rant mode for 15 minutes. McConnell puts down the phone to go heat up a buritto while Trump rants. He comes back in the last 90 seconds, and dismissively says "sure, Mr. President". In the knuckle-dragger-in-chief's crazy mental filter, that transforms into an endorsement by McConnell.
More seriously, Trump has phone calls all the time, and basically makes up fictions about what happens in them. So there is great reason to believe that he and McConnell "talked", in the sense that Trump did the ranting, McConnell - not being an idiot who would go out on a limb on this - did the listening. And in Trump's defective brain, that became "perfect".
They aren't holding their meetings in secret, it is like you are saying that Republicans aren't allowed on these depositions, but they are. Just not people that aren't on the 3 committees. So if you are trying to defend shitgibbons like Matt Gaetz, then you are the problem, not the impeachment process. And it is just like every other trial, you don't want other people to say the same thing. So, you conduct depositions and interviews separate from others. It is like you have never watched a law show like law and order.
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For what? Impeachment? This is the fastest it has gone.
its funny how with all these people testifyng for 8-10 hours each, NONE of the GOP committee members that actually sit in there are backing this "its a witchhunt/lynching" rants, they just stay silent
yet other people think thats a sign that this is gonna end well
and they dont have them open because, GOP backers have shown, they will GLADLY lie for this president, so why let them sync their stories
if thye are all telling the truth, they can watch till if, I guess when now, an impeachment trial starts in the Senate
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On a scale of 1 to Screwed, just how bad would people say today was for Trump?
The non-partisan hacks I've seen weighing in on it are stating it's pretty bad for Trump. Republicans like Mark Meadows have gouged their own eyes out so they can't see Trumps wrong doings are declaring there's nothing new here.
"If you are ever asking yourself 'Is Trump lying or is he stupid?', the answer is most likely C: All of the Above" - Seth Meyers
Off-topic but I have been hugely busy for the past few months and missed out a lot but, did we EVER get the unredacted Mueller report yet? Or is Barr still refusing to give Congress information that are authorized and required to have to do their jobs?
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to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.