1. #8901
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    Oh you mean when all the democrats get in a room and say they hate Trump, then it goes to senate and they tell those democrats to fuck off and somehow Trump gains support? Trust me, I have a million times more insight than you would even believe on these things.
    Clearly you don't when you claim 100% he won't be impeached bud.
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    100:1 odds that he wont
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    Trust me, I have a million times more insight than you would even believe on these things.
    Is Jeezy actually Donald Trump's MMO Champion account? I mean I am not trying to dox the poor guy, but the pattern of speech is similar. Maybe this explains why people get banned when they make personal attacks on the President.
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  3. #8903
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Poor guy doesn't know what impeachment means.
    I suppose he's an example of how underfunded education is these days.
    Perhaps it wouldn't be so bad if it weren't in the news all this time and he could have simply made the effort to...READ what was going on instead of showing off how ignorant he is.

    Trump supporters...*sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Impeached means the House votes to pass articles of impeachment. If that happens, then the President has been impeached, and the Senate then takes up the case. Two previous Presidents have also been impeached, Johnson and Clinton.

    That is why everyone is telling you to look up what the word means. Because impeached doesn't mean removed, and it doesn't have anything to do with the Senate. The House already has the votes to impeach him. It is a foregone conclusion no matter what happens.

    So please figure out what you are arguing about. I believe what you mean is "GOP Senators will never allow a removal vote to pass in the Senate". Which can only happen after Trump is impeached. Also, if that is what you are arguing, I think pretty much everyone here agrees. Outside of wishful thinking, very few people expect the President will be removed by this.
    I completely understand the process, again I'm 20 steps ahead like always. GOP is absolutely going to push the impeachment through to the Senate, then they can forced a ton of the leftover democrat presidential candidates to sit in a bunch of bullshit mandatory hearings and put a gag order on all of it so they can't talk about it during the campaign, which is basically impossible while running for president. Then, a couple months before the election all the republicans will vote against impeachment in the Senate and call it a sham. Trump looks like the victim, Warren Loses the election by double digits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I suppose he's an example of how underfunded education is these days.
    Perhaps it wouldn't be so bad if it weren't in the news all this time and he could have simply made the effort to...READ what was going on instead of showing off how ignorant he is.

    Trump supporters...*sigh*
    Everything I said was beyond your limit of understanding. I find this typical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    I completely understand the process, again I'm 20 steps ahead like always. GOP is absolutely going to push the impeachment through to the Senate, then they can forced a ton of the leftover democrat presidential candidates to sit in a bunch of bullshit mandatory hearings and put a gag order on all of it so they can't talk about it during the campaign, which is basically impossible while running for president. Then, a couple months before the election all the republicans will vote against impeachment in the Senate and call it a sham. Trump looks like the victim, Warren Loses the election by double digits.

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    Everything I said was beyond your limit of understanding. I find this typical.
    Ah. Sorry. I didn't realize you being objectively wrong was all part of your clever plan to be a genius in contradicting the thing you just said.

    Carry on then.
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  6. #8906
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Clearly you don't when you claim 100% he won't be impeached bud.
    Basically the same way as Clinton was Impeached, which was reelected in revenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    Oh you mean when all the democrats get in a room and say they hate Trump, then it goes to senate and they tell those democrats to fuck off and somehow Trump gains support? Trust me, I have a million times more insight than you would even believe on these things.
    You're almost as smart as Trump!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Ah. Sorry. I didn't realize you being objectively wrong was all part of your clever plan to be a genius in contradicting the thing you just said.

    Carry on then.
    It's just funny Trump is Impeached by all democrats in a way that only helps him and it's some kind of accomplishment for leftist losers. Good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    You're almost as smart as Trump!
    Not quite since he pulled off the greatest feat in the history of american politics and is about to do it again. Will you be in tears?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    Then, a couple months before the election all the republicans will vote against impeachment in the Senate and call it a sham. Trump looks like the victim, Warren Loses the election by double digits.
    Or maybe a population that already holds Trump in contempt will see the GoP as the enablers of corruption that they are, and punish them accordingly. I can play too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Ah. Sorry. I didn't realize you being objectively wrong was all part of your clever plan to be a genius in contradicting the thing you just said.

    Carry on then.
    I wonder if he's worked out Trump's genius plan of delaying the release of his tax and financial records until the general election campaign is almost in full swing? The Impeachment Inquiry should include those but may not.
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    Ah I see it's time for another game of Ring Around the Rosie, as the last guy got banned and someone else had to tag in for him to try and re-derail the thread again the more of someone else's exhausted talking points.

    Anyway, mister 'r/Iamverysmart' aside - It looks like the Impeachment Proceedings could be taking a tole on Donald Trump's mental health.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    It's like not bothering to pass laws banning murder and acting shocked when some fucko goes on a killing spree and you don't have any grounds to stop them. That's your fuckup for letting that happen in the first place. It was eminently "imaginable", you just didn't bother to think ahead and assumed everyone would play nice forever.
    That actually kinda happened in 1937. Some pharmaceutical company sold a literal poison as medicine, and the government suddenly realised there weren't any laws preventing this... 100+ deaths. I think the company had to pay a fine for mislabelling their product.

    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I think the Impeachment Inquiry process has made it pretty clear that it's not the U.S. government so much as it's the GOP House and Senate members who are corrupt. They are looking at factual (confessed) crimes by the Executive Branch (with co-conspirators in the House) and pretending the sky isn't blue.
    I wouldn't limit that to just the house and senate. There's plenty of state level GOP corruption, too.

  13. #8913
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    Basically the same way as Clinton was Impeached, which was reelected in revenge.
    WTF are you smoking? The Democrats LOST the election after Clinton's impeachment.

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    I see we got the fake outrage of the hearing. It was a

    Prof. Karlan uses the Trump family to outline the Constitution’s rule that there can’t be titles of nobility, saying ‘while the president can name his son Barron, he can’t make him a baron.’ Follow live #impeachmenthearing updates: https://t.co/HNWWM52Ejj https://t.co/JIJcvl83Qg
    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1...121026560?s=19

    Yes she was making a cheeky remark, yet now Melania and the Republicans are upset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelinrah View Post
    WTF are you smoking? The Democrats LOST the election after Clinton's impeachment.
    I said he was a victim of poor education...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Ah I see it's time for another game of Ring Around the Rosie, as the last guy got banned and someone else had to tag in for him to try and re-derail the thread again the more of someone else's exhausted talking points.
    Just report them for the obvious trolling. It worked on the last guy.

    And it's not like he was in good health to begin with. Of course, I feel that the whole "can't do the time, don't do the crime" thing here applies as well. If you can't stand the heat... don't sell your soul to the devil.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Just report them for the obvious trolling. It worked on the last guy.



    And it's not like he was in good health to begin with. Of course, I feel that the whole "can't do the time, don't do the crime" thing here applies as well. If you can't stand the heat... don't sell your soul to the devil.
    I mean, Trump's history of being a paper skinned vulgarian is long and sordid, so the idea of the inquiry bruising his Ego like an abused avocado makes a fair bit of sense. It could also be a factor as to why his remaining handlers feel the need to keep him from testifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    I see we got the fake outrage of the hearing. It was a



    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1...121026560?s=19

    Yes she was making a cheeky remark, yet now Melania and the Republicans are upset.
    This is probably the stupidest thing they've done in... well, honestly, probably like 15 minutes.

    It would be one thing if she actually use the kid in a statement, like talked about him personally. She literally just invoked his name. That's it. Who knew the damn names of children were off limits? I'm pretty sure every politician on both sides of the aisle has named the fucking kids of any politician they may be speaking about. Because it's just a name of a child, not Beetlejuice.

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    The articles of impeachment being written up, and the draft report today are extremely damning. So are the testimonies of the constitutional scholars. It's good to see that the Trump shills on her finally realize that their party is wholly corrupt and anti constitutional, admitting that the Senate will not vote to remove Trump from office because they ARE the swamp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Knadra finally just admitting Trumpkins care more about political victories than morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    That it's "unimaginable" is exactly the problem, frankly.

    The USA carefully avoided implementing any real checks and balances on the Presidency or, really, Congress for that matter. In fact, it provided them greater leeway and protections than private citizens, to engage in malfeasance and abuse, and not suffer legal penalties as anyone else would.

    You folks should have seen this coming. Not now. 250 years ago. This is one of the single most glaring fuck-ups by the Founding Fathers in drafting the Constitution. No other developed country is this helpless against malfeasance by their own government.

    In Canada, just as an example;
    1> The opposition parties could call for a Non-Confidence vote. And any budget vote is a Confidence vote. If the vote on any budget fails, or any separate Non-Confidence motion passes, Parliament dissolves and an election is called.
    2> The Governor General can decide that the government has acted egregiously or has lost the confidence of the people even if a non-confidence vote isn't gonna happen, and can dissolve Parliament and call an election (basically never happens, but it's there).
    3> The Prime Minister is just the Party's leader. Their position is more akin to Speaker of the House than to the President. He can be removed by his party with an internal vote to replace them as leader. They don't even need grounds, just an "ehh, not feeling them any more".
    4> No member of Parliament, and certainly not the PM, has any immunity to legal proceedings. If criminal charges are filed and the member is placed under arrest, their riding has an immediate by-election to replace them. They're pretty much out of office, just by being arrested and charged.

    Compare to the US situation. Budget bills failing and a government shutdown occurring would mean an election was called. The GG (I know the US has no equivalent) could have said "this is all screwy" and called an election. If Trump had been charged with any of the numerous crimes he's accused of (and note, charged. Not found guilty.) he'd be out of office already. And there'd be no protection against those charges, whether by federal or State authorities (so they can't rely on the AG to quash it). The Republicans could have decided, at any point, that it's too big a risk and replaced him with any other Republican. Etc.

    The USA has no checks or balances. This is entirely by (bad) design. It's not that these things are "unimaginable", it's that Americans thought they were magical perfect people who can do no wrong and bad things will never happen, and so you're completely blindsided the moment a figure emerges to educate you that bad people exist.

    It's like not bothering to pass laws banning murder and acting shocked when some fucko goes on a killing spree and you don't have any grounds to stop them. That's your fuckup for letting that happen in the first place. It was eminently "imaginable", you just didn't bother to think ahead and assumed everyone would play nice forever.
    I agree with the sentiment of your post, but one comment about the 'Governor General' role is that it, in and of itself, provides scope for malicious play.

    Take 'the dismissal' example from Australia for reference.

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