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    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    Facts over feelings peopl, QUESTION:

    When impeachment witness said "the president can name his son barron not make him a baron"

    what part of this statement is factually wrong? i See the anti political corectness brigade out in full force TRIGGERED by this statement. Weird i guess they seem to care about hurt feelings than the fact that presidents cant give nobility titles to children very sad for drump
    The only thing that makes sense about the outrage is that it was seen as a slam against Barron. It's not. It's a slam against Barron's father, and his motives for naming his son Barron.

    The kid has no responsibility for his naming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/whit...ry?id=67502822



    So the alleged quid pro quo is about Joe Biden and his son, but Biden said he will not testify if a trial goes forward in the senate. I am sure he has nothing to hide.
    Not what he said.

    Refusing to testify voluntarily just means they'll have to subpoena him. Like a lot of witnesses. And they'd need to show grounds to justify that subpoena, and I suspect Biden is well aware they won't be able to do that, because the only possible "grounds" are a conspiracy theory that's been soundly debunked by every intelligence service in the United States.

    Same reason you don't voluntarily let a police officer search your trunk without probable cause, especially when that officer is someone holding a grudge who's been talking about pinning you for a host of vague and meritless crimes that exist only in that officer's head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canpinter View Post
    why would he attend, what biden may or may not have done has 0 impact on if trump broke the law or not.
    I've got to second this. Biden is not "on trial" here. If Trump wants to open an investigation into the Bidens, he can do it via Barr and Pompeo as the law allows. Not Guiliani, who has no government role. Oh, and not through the House or Senate, because Trump is not in the House or Senate.

    I suppose the Senate could open an investigation, but considering they literally signed off on it, I don't see that happening.

    And what would Biden have to offer? I doubt he has evidence of anything Trump did anyhow. He wasn't VP then, and it's unlikely Trump or his employees told him. It seems like bringing in Biden, who is neither the target nor a witness, would just be a waste of time.

    No-one is above the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    Facts over feelings peopl, QUESTION:

    When impeachment witness said "the president can name his son barron not make him a baron"

    what part of this statement is factually wrong? i See the anti political corectness brigade out in full force TRIGGERED by this statement. Weird i guess they seem to care about hurt feelings than the fact that presidents cant give nobility titles to children very sad for drump
    I mean she shouldn't have dragged Baron Trump into the impeachment spectacle. A 13-year-old kid has no business being dragged into a national political discussion he plays no part in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/whit...ry?id=67502822



    So the alleged quid pro quo is about Joe Biden and his son, but Biden said he will not testify if a trial goes forward in the senate. I am sure he has nothing to hide.
    Why would he testify when he isn't on trial? And since he wasn't even aware that he was the target of the criminal acts of the president, he can't provide witness testimony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I've got to second this. Biden is not "on trial" here. If Trump wants to open an investigation into the Bidens, he can do it via Barr and Pompeo as the law allows. Not Guiliani, who has no government role. Oh, and not through the House or Senate, because Trump is not in the House or Senate.

    I suppose the Senate could open an investigation, but considering they literally signed off on it, I don't see that happening.

    And what would Biden have to offer? I doubt he has evidence of anything Trump did anyhow. He wasn't VP then, and it's unlikely Trump or his employees told him. It seems like bringing in Biden, who is neither the target nor a witness, would just be a waste of time.
    Its simply an attempt to throw more smoke in the air about Biden hoping it will convince enough swing voters that there must be a fire.

    "look Biden had to testify before congress oooooooh he must have done something wrong!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    So the alleged quid pro quo is about Joe Biden and his son, but Biden said he will not testify if a trial goes forward in the senate. I am sure he has nothing to hide.
    No, the trial is about Trump. If Trump thinks Biden has done something wrong then the relevant law enforcement branches can investigate him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/whit...ry?id=67502822



    So the alleged quid pro quo is about Joe Biden and his son, but Biden said he will not testify if a trial goes forward in the senate. I am sure he has nothing to hide.
    What would he testify to exactly? I very much doubt he had any part in Trump's crimes. Might as well ask why the Pope isn't testifying.

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    To all the other Dumpsters out there complaining about Hunter Biden, I have one question for you.

    ...what happened to you caring about locking up Hillary? What happened to Dumbass Dump's promise to you to investigate her?

    It's really amazing how much you guys gave a shit about doing "justice" for Hillary - and how your god/king was going to lock her up...

    ...but amazingly... Both you and he did absolutely nothing about it. Nothing. You both just shout words of anger and shook your fists... and did absolutely fuck-all about it.

    My point here is, you don't give a damn about ANY justice being done. You don't give a toss about if Hunter did/didn't do a damn thing.

    You just want to win... at ALL costs. AT ALL COSTS - Your country, rules and foundation you purport to value - they're all on the gambling table by you for the purpose of "winning".

    Will you give a toss about Hunter Biden after Warren, Bernie or Pete gets selected? Will you suddenly forget Hunter and go after whatever your God/King selects as your new target for hatred and rage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    I mean she shouldn't have dragged Baron Trump into the impeachment spectacle. A 13-year-old kid has no business being dragged into a national political discussion he plays no part in.
    Simply saying his name isn't dragging him into it. He's not Voldemort.

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    They investigated Hillary...and found nothing.
    They tried to find Biden shit all over Ukraine and found nothing.

    This is the reason why they want foreign nations to investigate US citizens.
    Acquittal doesn't mean exoneration


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    I mean she shouldn't have dragged Baron Trump into the impeachment spectacle. A 13-year-old kid has no business being dragged into a national political discussion he plays no part in.
    She didn't bring him into it, she brought the name Trump chose into it. No matter how much he wishes he's not royalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/whit...ry?id=67502822



    So the alleged quid pro quo is about Joe Biden and his son, but Biden said he will not testify if a trial goes forward in the senate. I am sure he has nothing to hide.
    Why, exactly, should Biden be testifying? This impeachment isn't about whether or not Biden did something wrong(there's no evidence he did), it's about whether or not Trump did something wrong. There's literally nothing of substance to be gained from Biden's testimony. If he did something wrong then let the DoJ investigate and bring charges if they find evidence.
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    100:1 odds that he wont
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    Okay. I'll stop sharing my views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    She didn't bring him into it, she brought the name Trump chose into it. No matter how much he wishes he's not royalty.

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    Why, exactly, should Biden be testifying? This impeachment isn't about whether or not Biden did something wrong(there's no evidence he did), it's about whether or not Trump did something wrong. There's literally nothing of substance to be gained from Biden's testimony. If he did something wrong then let the DoJ investigate and bring charges if they find evidence.
    They're pretty much down to the Chewbacca Defense now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    I mean she shouldn't have dragged Baron Trump into the impeachment spectacle. A 13-year-old kid has no business being dragged into a national political discussion he plays no part in.
    im sure he will survive the metaphor, but the bigger question is, especially to the facts over feelings people, was her statement factual, and it was

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    I mean she shouldn't have dragged Baron Trump into the impeachment spectacle. A 13-year-old kid has no business being dragged into a national political discussion he plays no part in.
    Yep. I agree. Leave the kids out of this.

    Now that we have established that this is bad, lets get back to impeaching the President for doing things that much more damaging then that. Just because somebody else was out of line doesn't change a thing about the facts of the matter.
    "I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for that meddling ANTIFA!" - Adolf Hitler
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/whit...ry?id=67502822



    So the alleged quid pro quo is about Joe Biden and his son, but Biden said he will not testify if a trial goes forward in the senate. I am sure he has nothing to hide.
    Biden doesn't need to be there. He has no reason to testify in this conspiracy bullshit pushed by Russian apologists like John Kennedy, Lindsey Graham and others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    They investigated Hillary...and found nothing.
    They tried to find Biden shit all over Ukraine and found nothing.

    This is the reason why they want foreign nations to investigate US citizens.
    Yep, it worked for his biggest opponent in 2016, so he is trying to do it here, for 2020.

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    John Solomon directly implicated by call logs released by the impeachment inquiry. They show conversations with Giuliani and Parnas.

    This would be amusing if it wasn't so serious.

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    Acquittal doesn't mean exoneration


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    Quote Originally Posted by Drutt View Post
    John Solomon directly implicated by call logs released by the impeachment inquiry. They show conversations with Giuliani and Parnas.

    This would be amusing if it wasn't so serious.
    Did you hear that the Washington Post called a couple Republicans recently, Devin Nunes, and Lindsey Graham, and John Solomon for some fucking reason called them back? The retard that Guiliani is using as a source for all of his claims? And that he doesn't have any evidence to back up his claims? https://www.mediaite.com/print/washi...-john-solomon/

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    It's not possible to take republicans seriously on Hunter Biden given that they have no problem whatsoever with Trump and his entire family continually leeching off the presidency to enrich themselves.

    Anyone calling for Hunter to be investigated and punished is a complete hypocrite without also calling for Trump's kids to suffer the same fate.

    Not that Hunter and Trump's kids are equal, because that's not remotely the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    It's not possible to take republicans seriously on Hunter Biden given that they have no problem whatsoever with Trump and his entire family continually leeching off the presidency to enrich themselves.

    Anyone calling for Hunter to be investigated and punished is a complete hypocrite without also calling for Trump's kids to suffer the same fate.

    Not that Hunter and Trump's kids are equal, because that's not remotely the case.
    The most obvious difference being that Hunter was hired by a private firm. Trump's kids were hired by their dad for government or advisory positions in his administration. The latter is nepotism, the former is not.

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