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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    This has been brought up to him repeatedly throughout the thread and he still insists on lying about it.
    One of these days, the moderators are going to have to crack down on this kind of bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    One of these days, the moderators are going to have to crack down on this kind of bullshit.
    Well, last we heard it was now against the rules to even call people out for lying. So it seems things are going the opposite way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    How can this post not be Infracted for outright lying and spreading misinformation?
    What reality do you live in? Unfuckingbelievable! If you have "facts"...please provide them and prove me wrong instead of whining and complaining like a spoiled child. Or is that too difficult for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Conspiracy theories that are so conspiratorial that several people have actually gone to prison. Right.
    No one associated with Trump went to prison for anything specifically related to Trump/Russia collusion during the 2016 election. Feel free to continue ignoring this pesky fact....as I would expect no less from you and your ilk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    The Trump/Russia link was established in the Mueller report. Go actually read it.
    Please quote the part where Trump conspired with Russia. Or, failing that, please admit that your precious conspiracy theory has been completely and thoroughly debunked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    Please quote the part where Trump conspired with Russia. Or, failing that, please admit that your precious conspiracy theory has been completely and thoroughly debunked.
    The Mueller report specifically says Trump is not not guilty of colluding with Russia. It’s outside of the scope of the report to outright declare guilt but the evidence is there to show he isn’t cleared of guilt which is within the scope of the report.

    Go actually read it or would that be too hard on you if your conspiracy was debunked? I guess it’s not lying if you are oblivious to the facts right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    The Mueller report specifically says Trump is not not guilty of colluding with Russia. It’s outside of the scope of the report to outright declare guilt but the evidence is there to show he isn’t cleared of guilt which is within the scope of the report.
    Man with Russian ties emails Trump Jr. says Russian national has dirt on Clinton, comes directly from the Russian governments efforts to help Trump win.
    Trump Jr, says he loves it.
    Runs it by the higher ups, they decide to peruse the lead (his father, no doubt) <--- Right here is where the collusion was
    Sets up meeting. <----- Here too
    Meeting didn't really pan out as they hoped. <---- This part too
    Trump campaign lies about it.
    Campaign comes clean once they learn it's going to break.
    Lies about it some more.

    What should have happened was:

    Man with Russian ties emails Trump Jr. says Russian national has dirt on Clinton, comes directly from the Russian governments efforts to help Trump win.
    Jr doesn't engage.
    Jr. tells his father.
    They report the incident to the FBI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    What reality do you live in? Unfuckingbelievable! If you have "facts"...please provide them and prove me wrong instead of whining and complaining like a spoiled child. Or is that too difficult for you?

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    No one associated with Trump went to prison for anything specifically related to Trump/Russia collusion during the 2016 election. Feel free to continue ignoring this pesky fact....as I would expect no less from you and your ilk.

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    Please quote the part where Trump conspired with Russia. Or, failing that, please admit that your precious conspiracy theory has been completely and thoroughly debunked.
    Troll and liar trolls and lies some more, shocking.
    Unfuckingbelieveable.

    Since we know lying is not infractible, I can say with confidence that docsavagefan hates this country, hates law enforcement, and hates democracy. That may not even be a lie, but doc can’t claim I’m lying to get an infraction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    What reality do you live in? Unfuckingbelievable! If you have "facts"...please provide them and prove me wrong instead of whining and complaining like a spoiled child. Or is that too difficult for you?

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    No one associated with Trump went to prison for anything specifically related to Trump/Russia collusion during the 2016 election. Feel free to continue ignoring this pesky fact....as I would expect no less from you and your ilk.

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    Please quote the part where Trump conspired with Russia. Or, failing that, please admit that your precious conspiracy theory has been completely and thoroughly debunked.
    Everything you wrote is wrong. Below are all the facts.

    The FBI and several United States congressional committees have been investigating links between Russian government officials or their affiliates and individuals associated with Donald Trump, the current President of the United States, since he was a candidate for the office as part of their investigations of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. Some of Trump's campaign members, business partners, administration nominees, and family members have been subjected to intense scrutiny following intelligence reports on such Russian interference. The investigations have revealed that a number of them had various types of links to or contacts with Russian officials, business people, banks, and Russian intelligence agencies. Several investigations are underway to determine whether Trump or any of his associates have had improper dealings during their contacts with Russian officials.[1][2][3][4]

    FBI investigations began in late July 2016 and are ongoing.[5] In May 2017, former FBI Director Robert Mueller was appointed as special counsel in the FBI's investigation.[6] The Senate Intelligence Committee[7] and the House Intelligence Committee are also conducting inquiries.[8] In May 2017, Glenn A. Fine, the acting Defense Department Inspector General, confirmed he was investigating Michael Flynn for misleading Pentagon investigators about his income from companies in Russia and contacts with officials there when he applied for a renewal of his top-secret security clearance.[9] In October 2017, Paul Manafort and Rick Gates were indicted and arrested.[10] Flynn and George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI during the Russia investigation.

    The New York Times reported on February 14, 2017, that phone records and communications intercepts showed that Trump associates—including members of the Trump campaign—had "repeated contacts" with senior Russian intelligence officials during the 2016 campaign. Paul Manafort was the only Trump associate who was specifically identified as participating in these communications.[11] CNN reported on March 23, 2017, that the FBI was examining "human intelligence, travel, business and phone records and accounts of in-person meetings" indicating that Trump associates may have coordinated with "suspected Russian operatives" to release damaging information about the Hillary Clinton campaign.[12] CNN reported on September 19, 2017, that Manafort had been a target of a FISA wiretap both before and after the 2016 election—beginning sometime after he became the subject of an FBI investigation in 2014—and extending into early 2017. Some of the intercepted communications raised concerns among investigators that Manafort had solicited assistance from Russians for the campaign, although the evidence was reportedly inconclusive.[13] On April 30, 2018, The New York Times published a list of interview questions for Trump that the Mueller investigation had provided to the president's attorneys. Among the questions was "What knowledge did you have of any outreach by your campaign, including by Paul Manafort, to Russia about potential assistance to the campaign?"[14]

    On March 22, 2019, Special Counsel Robert Mueller concluded a lengthy investigation and submitted a final report. On March 24, 2019, Attorney General William Barr sent a four-page letter summarizing that report to the heads and ranking members of the Senate and House Judiciary Committees which stated that Mueller "did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election."[15][16] On March 27, Mueller privately wrote to Barr, stating that the March 24 Barr letter "did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of [the special counsel's] office's work and conclusions", resulting in "public confusion about critical aspects of the results of [the] investigation". Mueller requested Barr release the Mueller Report's introductions and executive summaries ahead of the report; Barr declined.[17]
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  8. #11848
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    If Trump is innocent and we all know the Repub senators won't vote to remove him from office, WHY are you all and Trump so butt hurt and bent out of shape about the paperwork not being sent over yet?
    I wasn't too excited about McConnell refusing to hear Obama's supreme court picks in a timely manner either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    There’s been a rumor for years he has a thing for young congressional assistants.

    Like the barely legal kind.
    Like the Jeffrey Epstein kind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    This has been brought up to him repeatedly throughout the thread and he still insists on lying about it.
    Again, it’s best to report and ignore. Spreading easily debunked conspiracy theories is supposedly against the forum rules here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    The Mueller report specifically says Trump is not not guilty of colluding with Russia. It’s outside of the scope of the report to outright declare guilt but the evidence is there to show he isn’t cleared of guilt which is within the scope of the report.

    Go actually read it or would that be too hard on you if your conspiracy was debunked? I guess it’s not lying if you are oblivious to the facts right?
    "Not not guilty"? Holy shit. The mental gyrations necessary to rationalize such low resolution thinking is astounding! $32mm and 2.5 years of investigation found no evidence of Trump/Russia conspiracy or collusion...yet you sit there with spewing pseudologic. Yes, you can't prove unicorns don't exist either.

    What you believe to be fact is, in reality, pure delusion. Wake up ffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    "Not not guilty"? Holy shit. The mental gyrations necessary to rationalize such low resolution thinking is astounding! $32mm and 2.5 years of investigation found no evidence of Trump/Russia conspiracy or collusion...yet you sit there with spewing pseudologic. Yes, you can't prove unicorns don't exist either.

    What you believe to be fact is, in reality, pure delusion. Wake up ffs.

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    You're an idiot, read the report. Mueller goes over why he can't just say Trump is guilty, it's entirely to do with scope. He is limited in what he can declare hence the not not guilty conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    "Not not guilty"? Holy shit. The mental gyrations necessary to rationalize such low resolution thinking is astounding! $32mm and 2.5 years of investigation found no evidence of Trump/Russia conspiracy or collusion...yet you sit there with spewing pseudologic. Yes, you can't prove unicorns don't exist either.

    What you believe to be fact is, in reality, pure delusion. Wake up ffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    You're an idiot, read the report. Mueller goes over why he can't just say Trump is guilty, it's entirely to do with scope. He is limited in what he can declare hence the not not guilty conclusion.
    $32mm and 2.5 years of investigation and Mueller could find no evidence that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities. That's the facts...."idiot".

    From the Mueller report:
    "Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
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    Conspiracy and collusion aren't interchangeable terms. Conspiracy is a legal term, collusion is just some nebulous term with no legal bearing, trump and his cohorts were never going to be held to collusion, it was always going to be criminal conspiracy. Seriously we are still having this conversation a year later?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladeXcrasher View Post
    Conspiracy and collusion aren't interchangeable terms. Conspiracy is a legal term, collusion is just some nebulous term with no legal bearing, trump and his cohorts were never going to be held to collusion, it was always going to be criminal conspiracy. Seriously we are still having this conversation a year later?
    Unfortunately we must....some people here actually still believe that Trump conspired with Russia despite zero evidence produced in an exhaustive 2.5 year investigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    Unfortunately we must....some people here actually still believe that Trump conspired with Russia despite zero evidence produced in an exhaustive 2.5 year investigation.
    You didn’t read the mueller report, liar, troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    $32mm and 2.5 years of investigation and Mueller could find no evidence that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities. That's the facts...."idiot".

    From the Mueller report:
    "Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

    Let's go with the full paragraph, why don't we?

    "The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

    And more:

    "The president’s efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful," the Mueller report notes, "but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the president declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests."

    " the Russians clearly wanted Trump elected."

    "Russian intelligence officers who are part of the Russian military, launched a concerted attack on our political system."

    "Paul Manafort and aide Rick Gates, both pleaded guilty to 'conspiracy against the United States' both actively seeking to cultivate a relationship with the Russian government and willing to work with it to acquire damaging information about its political opponents. That willingness included explicitly sharing information with or soliciting information from Russian operatives.”

    Lastly, Barr still refused to release the full report, despite Mueller requesting multiple times to do so, because his findings have been misrepresented. What we have right now is only the redacted version Republicans want us to see... Mueller's final words: "If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    Please explain why it's okay for adam schiff to take over impeachment from the judiciary and not allow witnesses Republicans want,
    Because that's not how impeachment works, and especially in the House, it's not a judicial process.

    We really need to do a better job of teaching folks civics in highschool. The Judiciary oversees the Senate trial, but it's a wholly political, not legal (as in falls under the courts purview), process.

    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    a coverup as Pelosi calls it for McConnell to not allow witnesses that democrats want?
    Because Democrats want relevant witnesses. Republicans want to call Hunter Biden, who is not a relevant witness and if there's credible allegations of wrongdoing they should be investigated and handled by the Justice Department. That would be the appropriate venue for these complaints, not this impeachment hearing.

    But there's no case, which is why Trump never took action and why there's still no movement from the DoJ against Hunter Biden. It's the laziest of low effort strawmen.

    Seriously, go back and take a civics refresher, dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    Unfortunately we must....some people here actually still believe that Trump conspired with Russia despite zero evidence produced in an exhaustive 2.5 year investigation.
    I think you misunderstood, I'm talking about you, just to be clear.

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