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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    I actually think he is a known quantity because aside from selling books he knows he cannot upset his audience which are mostly Trump supporters. If Bolton turns on Trump no more Fox News gig or conservative spotlight since he knows Trump won't be removed he will be wishy washy while strongly denying his approval or involvement in the drug deal. He volunteered to testify because he knows the odds are slim to none it will happen, Moscow Mitch is going to bury this thing as fast as possible.
    I was kind of wondering the same thing. Precisely who is going to read Bolton's book if he turns on Trump. Plus, the Cheeto Administration attacked Iran, and Bolton has got to be beside himself with jealousy. I wonder if he's looking for a way back in....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Not so sure on that one. Trumps base is a vocal minority but are still in the minority. If this book trashes him and he comes out trashing him, there is a good chance it might actually get him more sales than it costs him. And it might be a way for him to try and revise his position so it isn't so hated among the rest of the America and the world for sucking up to Trump so hard.
    But that would be playing the short game turning on Trump means no speaking gigs for conservative organization or Fox News deal maybe he will get a CNN job but that doesn't pay as much. He isn't financially incentivized to turn on Trump and at the end of the day that is a huge part of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I was kind of wondering the same thing. Precisely who is going to read Bolton's book if he turns on Trump. Plus, the Cheeto Administration attacked Iran, and Bolton has got to be beside himself with jealousy. I wonder if he's looking for a way back in....
    yeah I just don't see a path for him turning against Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    But that would be playing the short game turning on Trump means no speaking gigs for conservative organization or Fox News deal maybe he will get a CNN job but that doesn't pay as much. He isn't financially incentivized to turn on Trump and at the end of the day that is a huge part of it.
    Depends, if he is going for a speaking gig on Fox hoping to be a future commentator, then you have a point. If he is actually planning on retiring after this and go out with a bang and have anything good attached to his name, then he would come out against him and go down as one of the nails in his coffin and use it for boosted sales of his book.

    The man doesn't like Trump from what I can tell anyways. So if he wants to retire and go out on a high note, he would come out and be honest about Trump. If he is hoping to move onto a job on the Fox staff, then he would continue to protect Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    But that would be playing the short game turning on Trump means no speaking gigs for conservative organization or Fox News deal maybe he will get a CNN job but that doesn't pay as much. He isn't financially incentivized to turn on Trump and at the end of the day that is a huge part of it.

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    yeah I just don't see a path for him turning against Trump.
    Agreed. And thinking about it further, it doesn't make any sense for him to testify at all against Trump. Unless Bolton has found some altruistic reason for living, this might be some kind of Trojan horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Agreed. And thinking about it further, it doesn't make any sense for him to testify at all against Trump. Unless Bolton has found some altruistic reason for living, this might be some kind of Trojan horse.
    Could be a trojan horse, but could also be a way for him to try and go out in a way that helps his public image and tries to get him more book sales afterward.

    From what I know Bolton is a major warmonger, so he would want this war, but at the same time, does he protect Trump because he got it or does he fear Trump will screw it up enough to try and replace him.

    This guy is a MAJOR wild card on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Could be a trojan horse, but could also be a way for him to try and go out in a way that helps his public image and tries to get him more book sales afterward.

    From what I know Bolton is a major warmonger, so he would want this war, but at the same time, does he protect Trump because he got it or does he fear Trump will screw it up enough to try and replace him.

    This guy is a MAJOR wild card on this one.
    Good point. And it could be he's so pissed at being pushed out of being on the inside of the attack on Iran that he's going to tell all. Along with pushing book sales, which is fine with me.

    Definitely a major wild card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post


    Still waiting on those transcripts.

    Still an impeached President.
    Is it just me, or does the argument that it's partisan because no Republicans voted against party lines although some Democrats did kinda only mean that Republicans were the ones making it partisan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Depends, if he is going for a speaking gig on Fox hoping to be a future commentator, then you have a point. If he is actually planning on retiring after this and go out with a bang and have anything good attached to his name, then he would come out against him and go down as one of the nails in his coffin and use it for boosted sales of his book.

    The man doesn't like Trump from what I can tell anyways. So if he wants to retire and go out on a high note, he would come out and be honest about Trump. If he is hoping to move onto a job on the Fox staff, then he would continue to protect Trump.
    The way he is milking and teasing this doesn't lend to the feeling that he just wants to retire, Bolton likes being relevant his ego won't let him turn do something that would make him irrelevant in conservative circles. Let's be honest the left is never going to give him the kind of voice and celebrity he wants and if I am not mistaken after he left he went to his foundation.

    Bolton plans to be a king maker and a best seller he won't kill the golden goose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Good point. And it could be he's so pissed at being pushed out of being on the inside of the attack on Iran that he's going to tell all. Along with pushing book sales, which is fine with me.

    Definitely a major wild card.
    I just don't see it the money he would lose by turning on Trump not to mention his celebrity status in conservative circles wouldn't be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    I just don't see it the money he would lose by turning on Trump not to mention his celebrity status in conservative circles wouldn't be worth it.
    Yeah, agreed. I mean unless the about face was by a considerable percentage of conservatives, wherein they all turn against him. Which of course I don't see happening. So yeah, it's got to be some kind of trick. Or wild card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    The way he is milking and teasing this doesn't lend to the feeling that he just wants to retire, Bolton likes being relevant his ego won't let him turn do something that would make him irrelevant in conservative circles. Let's be honest the left is never going to give him the kind of voice and celebrity he wants and if I am not mistaken after he left he went to his foundation.

    Bolton plans to be a king maker and a best seller he won't kill the golden goose.
    Here is something for you, after Trump is out of office, what do you think the situation his sycophants will be in afterward? Also keep in mind that he doesn't like Trump either.

    Either he sticks with Trump even though he hates them and gets some sales from the GOP circles of sycophants but largely gets ignored by the rest as they know it is bullshit. Especially if his book is honest and will ALREADY be shitting on them.

    OR he actually turns on Trump and pisses them off which gives him even more increased sales for a book that already bashes him and stands a chance of holding on a little after Trump is out and all the investigations start dragging the truth out of them.

    Quite literally, the only thing that would leave him with the long term better prospect of sticking with Trump is if they know the fix is already in and we don't actually have a legit election anytime in the near future.

    If he cares about himself, his best long term bet would be to turn on Trump. If he sticks with him, it will hurt his book sales, it will hurt his long term image and it will hurt his job prospects outside of the Fox news circle as even the republican party will treat Trumps people who stick with him as toxic when the investigations all come out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Yeah, agreed. I mean unless the about face was by a considerable percentage of conservatives, wherein they all turn against him. Which of course I don't see happening. So yeah, it's got to be some kind of trick. Or wild card.
    Democrats need to keep their eye on the ball call witnesses they know are going to be bad at covering for Trump like Mulvaney, Mnuchin, the white house lawyer and documentation. The goal is to make the shit sandwich republicans are about to swallow as shitty as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Here is something for you, after Trump is out of office, what do you think the situation his sycophants will be in afterward? Also keep in mind that he doesn't like Trump either.

    Either he sticks with Trump even though he hates them and gets some sales from the GOP circles of sycophants but largely gets ignored by the rest as they know it is bullshit. Especially if his book is honest and will ALREADY be shitting on them.

    OR he actually turns on Trump and pisses them off which gives him even more increased sales for a book that already bashes him and stands a chance of holding on a little after Trump is out and all the investigations start dragging the truth out of them.

    Quite literally, the only thing that would leave him with the long term better prospect of sticking with Trump is if they know the fix is already in and we don't actually have a legit election anytime in the near future.

    If he cares about himself, his best long term bet would be to turn on Trump. If he sticks with him, it will hurt his book sales, it will hurt his long term image and it will hurt his job prospects outside of the Fox news circle as even the republican party will treat Trumps people who stick with him as toxic when the investigations all come out.
    The timeline doesn't work the book is coming around the election and even if Trump loses his base and Fox News are going to be lucrative cows to milk. He doesn't need to please the broad audience just narrow slice of the country that he can milk until he dies. After the bases turns on Trump he along with many other people can change the narrative and he can point to his firing as proof that the guy hated him.

    Out of everyone who left the white house he is honestly in the best positions to play both sides to his advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    The timeline doesn't work the book is coming around the election and even if Trump loses his base and Fox News are going to be lucrative cows to milk. He doesn't need to please the broad audience just narrow slice of the country that he can milk until he dies. After the bases turns on Trump he along with many other people can change the narrative and he can point to his firing as proof that the guy hated him.

    Out of everyone who left the white house he is honestly in the best positions to play both sides to his advantage.
    Didn't realize the book was coming out around the election. If that is the case, it will probably get sales regardless just to be torn apart from both sides.

    As far as him playing both sides, that doesn't seem possible after the book comes out. Either it is shining on Trump and it will get praise from him and his base but destroys him later when the truth starts to come out. Or it is honest and scathing and he gets dropped from the Trump base and is cut off for a short time till after the investigations are done and all. A neutral reaction where he tries to play both sides will effectively get him cut off from both.

    If this was the 70s or 80s or something, I could see that working out for him, but not in the age of the internet which effectively never forgets. That is a gamble he may very likely will regret. History is no longer written by just the victors and the survivors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Democrats need to keep their eye on the ball call witnesses they know are going to be bad at covering for Trump like Mulvaney, Mnuchin, the white house lawyer and documentation. The goal is to make the shit sandwich republicans are about to swallow as shitty as possible.
    Agreed. When you said Mnuchin I was thinking the Senator from West Virginia for a second there, lol. If the Senate trial allows witnesses, they need to shove a who shit-sandwich cart down the GOP's throat.

    I have to think at some point they will start to see Trump as a liability. How they don't already is beyond me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Didn't realize the book was coming out around the election. If that is the case, it will probably get sales regardless just to be torn apart from both sides.

    As far as him playing both sides, that doesn't seem possible after the book comes out. Either it is shining on Trump and it will get praise from him and his base but destroys him later when the truth starts to come out. Or it is honest and scathing and he gets dropped from the Trump base and is cut off for a short time till after the investigations are done and all. A neutral reaction where he tries to play both sides will effectively get him cut off from both.

    If this was the 70s or 80s or something, I could see that working out for him, but not in the age of the internet which effectively never forgets. That is a gamble he may very likely will regret. History is no longer written by just the victors and the survivors.
    It's a thin line but doable he can rake the people in the administration he doesn't like such as Pompeo, Jared, Ivanka even Rudy then shield Trump by going with executive privilege and go light on details. I am sure his book will have explosive stuff about other people but don't expect him to go after Trump hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Agreed. When you said Mnuchin I was thinking the Senator from West Virginia for a second there, lol. If the Senate trial allows witnesses, they need to shove a who shit-sandwich cart down the GOP's throat.

    I have to think at some point they will start to see Trump as a liability. How they don't already is beyond me.
    Looks like Moscow Mitch and Trump want to change the rules and just dismiss the articles altogether since I don't see a fourth republican that would be needed to block it this may just be a 1-2 day affair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I have to think at some point they will start to see Trump as a liability. How they don't already is beyond me.
    They probably did since day 1. But the power and money they got through him was just too sweet to throw away.

    I am sure every single one of them is hoping Trump has a stroke tweeting on the loo one fine morning so they can get on with their lifes and President Pence and pretend Trump did nothing wrong.

    Which is why I wish Trump the best of health, America needs to get him out the right way revealing all of the corruption.

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    Are they going to impeach the President this week or keep dragging their feet until the re-election?
    Last edited by Martymark; 2020-01-13 at 07:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martymark View Post
    Are they going to impeach the President this week or keep dragging their feet until the re-election?
    He was impeached December 18th, 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martymark View Post
    Are they going to impeach the President this week or keep dragging their feet until the re-election?
    It's 2020, that happened last year. Time to catch up!
    Often updated... ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    He was impeached December 18th, 2019.
    You haven't seen the talking point that every right wing outlet has been pushing because of Noah Feldman?

    Apparently because the articles haven't been submitted Trump isn't really impeached. Trumpkins are getting as bad as anti-vaxxers these days. One person says something supportive for their arguments so it's the Holy Grail of Real Truth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    You haven't seen the talking point that every right wing outlet has been pushing because of Noah Feldman?

    Apparently because the articles haven't been submitted Trump isn't really impeached. Trumpkins are getting as bad as anti-vaxxers these days. One person says something supportive for their arguments so it's the Holy Grail of Real Truth!
    I'm familiar with Noah Feldman's ridiculous argument, yes. However, "The House shall have the sole power of Impeachment." Nothing about "contingent upon lawless Constitution-hating abettors in the Senate" doing jack shit.

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