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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    wearing a tan suit
    Dijon mustard on his burger.

  2. #12322
    Quote Originally Posted by ohtlmtlm View Post
    Dijon mustard on his burger.
    omg...that did it for me.
    Acquittal doesn't mean exoneration


  3. #12323
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.courant.com/politics/hc-...hey-story.html

    Wait wait wait... Republican House Rep. Robert F. Hyde of Connecticut was the one behind what appears to be actual spying on a US ambassador and appears to have openly discussed bribing nearby businesses? So it was Hyde, directing Parnas and company to legitimately spy on Yavanovitch?

    If this is true, this is one of the biggest cases of projection I've seen in a while, and should lead to his immediate removal from office until the next election.

    Now I'm far more curious about what else Parnas has shared, because this is damning already.
    Looks more like an assasination plot to me especially talking about how the people they are hiring would need to make contact with security forces.

    “If you want her out they need to make contact with security forces.”

    Parnas does not respond at length to Hyde.

    “Interesting,” he writes after one series of messages. “Perfect,” he responds when Hyde informs him that “they’ll let me know when she’s on the move.”

    “Lol,” is Parnas’ response to Hyde’s message that “you can do anything in the Ukraine with money.”

  4. #12324
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/...15352754577409

    UHHHHH.....am I reading this right? Because to me, this looks like Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, hired shady foreign nationals to spy on a US diplomat.
    It seems worse than that, it seems like they were trying to assassinate her...

    “They are willing to help if we/you would like a price”

    “Guess you can do anything in the Ukraine with money... what I was told”

    Then after that she got more security...

    Quote Originally Posted by noidentity View Post
    Looks more like an assasination plot to me especially talking about how the people they are hiring would need to make contact with security forces.
    Bah you beat me to it.

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    Now all that remains to be seen is how much of this shit was directly overseen by Trump or if it's another instance of him 'just happening' to be working closely with a bunch of morally abhorrent shitheels.

  6. #12326
    https://intelligence.house.gov/uploa...attachment.pdf

    Btw linked above is the evidence with the messages starting on pg14

    Stealing exchange from reddit below:
    Directly transcribed from the texts:

    Robert F. Hyde: Fuck that bitch

    Parnas: [links multiple articles]

    Robert F. Hyde: Wow. Can’t believe Trumo [sic] hasn’t fired this bitch. I’ll get right in that.

    Robert F. Hyde: [Links multiple articles/pictures]

    Robert F. Hyde: She under heavy protection outside Kiev

    Parnas: I know crazy shit

    Robert F. Hyde: My guy thinks maybe FSB..?

    Parnas: [Links articles]

    Robert F. Hyde: [Links picture]

    Parnas: Interesting

    Robert F. Hyde: [Links to article]: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ne...d-of-the-world

    Robert F. Hyde: What should I do with this?

    Robert F. Hyde: They are moving her tomorrow

    Robert F. Hyde: The guys over they asked what I would like to do and what is in it for them

    Robert F. Hyde: Wake up Yankees man

    Robert F. Hyde: She's talked to three people. Her phone is off. Computer is off.

    Robert F. Hyde: She's next to the embassy

    Robert F. Hyde: Not in the embassy

    Robert F. Hyde: Private security. Been there since Thursday.

    Parnas: Interesting

    Robert F. Hyde: They know she's a political puppet

    Robert F. Hyde: They will let me know when she's on the move

    Robert F. Hyde: And they will let me know when she's on the move

    Parnas: Perfect

    Robert F. Hyde: I mean where if they can find out.

    Robert F. Hyde: That adress I sent you checks out

    Robert F. Hyde: It's next to the embassy

    Robert F. Hyde: They are willing to help if we/you would like a price

    Robert F. Hyde: Guess you can do anything in the Ukraine with money... what I was told

    Parnas: Lol

    Robert F. Hyde: Update she will not be moved special security unit upgraded force on the compound people are already aware of the situation my contacts are asking what is the next step because cannot keep going to check people will start to ask questions

    Robert F. Hyde: If you want her out they need to make contact with security forces

    Robert F. Hyde: From Ukranians

    Robert F. Hyde: What's the word bro

    Robert F. Hyde: Any good stuff?

    Parnas: Call you soon in studio

    Robert F. Hyde: Let's go Holmes

    Robert F. Hyde: RG was good. But Ingraham had some hard questions

    Robert F. Hyde: Nothing has changed she is still not moving they check today again

    Robert F. Hyde: Hi buddy

    Robert F. Hyde: It's confirmed we have a person inside

    Parnas: [Links youtube video]: "Trumps takedown of FBI (Winning montage!)"

    Robert F. Hyde: Nice

    Robert F. Hyde: Hey brother do we stand down??? Or you still need intel be safe

    Robert F. Hyde: She had visitors

    Robert F. Hyde: It's confirmed we have a person inside

    Robert F. Hyde: Hey broski tell me what we are doing what's the next step
    Last edited by noidentity; 2020-01-15 at 04:27 AM.

  7. #12327
    What the literal fuck is this text exchange.

    Like, wow. At best........AT THE VERY BEST..........a private citizen is coordinating with foreign nationals, to spy on the movements of AN AMERICAN AMBASSADOR to a "hotzone" country, at the behest of Rudy Giuliani, THE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

    Like, this is Tom Clancy levels of what the fuck is going on here.

  8. #12328
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    What the literal fuck is this text exchange.

    Like, wow. At best........AT THE VERY BEST..........a private citizen is coordinating with foreign nationals, to spy on the movements of AN AMERICAN AMBASSADOR to a "hotzone" country, at the behest of Rudy Giuliani, THE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

    Like, this is Tom Clancy levels of what the fuck is going on here.
    And it still wouldn't even get a Republican congress(wo)man to actually grow a pair and say, "enough is enough". That's what's even more mind-boggling.
    The MF has been impeached. Now he needs to GTFO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omerome View Post
    And it still wouldn't even get a Republican congress(wo)man to actually grow a pair and say, "enough is enough". That's what's even more mind-boggling.
    "it's all just text-say"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Also, the evidence seems to indicate that they were unwitting dupes who were misled by Russian agents. The goal of those agents was election interference, and the result of their involvement was election interference, but they couldn't tie that directly to intent on the part of the Trump campaign.

    The Mueller Report argued that the evidence just indicated they were unethical, dishonest, manipulative morons, rather than unethical, dishonest, manipulative traitors. Small distinction, perhaps.
    It is very obvious at this point that the only reason Mueller couldn't reach a higher standard of proof is due to a wide-ranging conspiracy to commit obstruction of justice that starts with the sitting President and Attorney General of the United States; if the Republican Party was not itself a criminal organization (with ties to a similar but better-entrenched organization running Russia) Trump and his cabinet would have been removed long ago.
    "In today’s America, conservatives who actually want to conserve are as rare as liberals who actually want to liberate. The once-significant language of an earlier era has had the meaning sucked right out of it, the better to serve as camouflage for a kleptocratic feeding frenzy in which both establishment parties participate with equal abandon" (Taking a break from the criminal, incompetent liars at the NSA, to bring you the above political observation, from The Archdruid Report.)

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    I just caught up with today's evidence reveal...

    How is any of that okay? Literally worse than Watergate.

  12. #12332
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    I just caught up with today's evidence reveal...

    How is any of that okay? Literally worse than Watergate.
    Don't worry, Republicans will somehow find a way to rationalize their "acquittal" of Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Don't worry, Republicans will somehow find a way to rationalize their "acquittal" of Trump.
    I'm normally not the kinda person to go 'lol can't wait to see the """Usual Guys""" handwave this!!' but... Jesus Christ I'm actually morbidly curious about what kinda pretzels Trump's defenders are gonna put themselves into to try and deflect from this.

  14. #12334
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    I can tell you aren't a constitutional lawyer.
    That is correct. I'm just a dork on the internet having a good time chattin' with my bros here about politics.

  15. #12335
    Quote Originally Posted by Martymark View Post
    That is correct. I'm just a dork on the internet having a good time chattin' with my bros here about politics.
    While being in the minority about what Trump did that is impeachable. Because it VERY MUCH IS IMPEACHABLE. And with every passing day, the evidence is getting worse that Trump is fucking guilty.

  16. #12336
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Because that's not how impeachment works, and especially in the House, it's not a judicial process.

    We really need to do a better job of teaching folks civics in highschool. The Judiciary oversees the Senate trial, but it's a wholly political, not legal (as in falls under the courts purview), process.



    Because Democrats want relevant witnesses. Republicans want to call Hunter Biden, who is not a relevant witness and if there's credible allegations of wrongdoing they should be investigated and handled by the Justice Department. That would be the appropriate venue for these complaints, not this impeachment hearing.

    But there's no case, which is why Trump never took action and why there's still no movement from the DoJ against Hunter Biden. It's the laziest of low effort strawmen.

    Seriously, go back and take a civics refresher, dude.
    So a civics lesson would explain how you decide what is relevant and what is not relevant? You just gave your opinion on which witnesses were relevant. Explain how a civics lesson would change what your opinion on what witnesses are relevant? It's not a judicial process, I never said it was. I also admit it was not a fair process, it was a wholly one sided process where they took the responsibility away from the judiciary and gave it to Schiff. Not sure where they teach that, but maybe you can link a civics note where they take the house impeachment away from the judiciary chairman and have a different committee chairman do it.

  17. #12337
    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    So a civics lesson would explain how you decide what is relevant and what is not relevant? You just gave your opinion on which witnesses were relevant. Explain how a civics lesson would change what your opinion on what witnesses are relevant? It's not a judicial process, I never said it was. I also admit it was not a fair process, it was a wholly one sided process where they took the responsibility away from the judiciary and gave it to Schiff. Not sure where they teach that, but maybe you can link a civics note where they take the house impeachment away from the judiciary chairman and have a different committee chairman do it.
    It says in the constitution that the House has the right to impeachment, doesn't say that the Judicial Committee is the one that does it. Even though, the Judicial Committee did impeach Trump. The Intelligence committee just gave them the reasons for it by investigating it.

    Were you like, sleeping the entire time that the Intelligence committee brought witnesses in, and made a report, then handed it off to the Judiciary committee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    So a civics lesson would explain how you decide what is relevant and what is not relevant? You just gave your opinion on which witnesses were relevant. Explain how a civics lesson would change what your opinion on what witnesses are relevant? It's not a judicial process, I never said it was. I also admit it was not a fair process, it was a wholly one sided process where they took the responsibility away from the judiciary and gave it to Schiff. Not sure where they teach that, but maybe you can link a civics note where they take the house impeachment away from the judiciary chairman and have a different committee chairman do it.
    But it wasn't a one sided process. Both parties called witnesses. Or did you forget the Ambassador was a GOP witness? We'll wait while you ignore this reality and pick something easier to respond to.

    You're just confused because all the things the GOP told you to believe and getting continually contradicted by reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    DocSavage, Texasrules, and many other posters have posted,

    "wHaTeVeR hApPeNnEd To TrUmP rUsSiA cOnSpIrAcY?!?!?!?!!!!!!"

    about 100 times now.

    Each time they are given a very thorough answer about the Mueller report and what it established.

    Each time they peace out and decide to stop talking about it when they are overwhelmed by the facts.

    Each time, 10-30 pages later, they come back and ask the same question, AGAIN.

    I realize it's important for lurkers to see the truth, but I seriously don't get how people don't tire of these shenanigans. They're constantly posting conspiracy theories about Trump when doing this, which is against the forum rules, as is the thing they are doing which is explicitly against the rules, but nobody can call it out, because THAT is also against the rules, and you can report them, but no punishment is doled because "pOlItIcAl OpInIoNs"

    At this point, aren't "wHaTeVeR hApPeNnEd To TrUmP rUsSiA cOnSpIrAcY?!?!?!?!!!!!!" posts just off topic at this point? Serious question. I realize Trump's ENTIRE team having communicated heavily with Russia for aid is tangentially related to impeachment, but in the context of just straight up denying anything happened simply because Trump was not removed over it (and thus, in their minds, is completely innocent of all crimes) it feels incredibly off-topic.
    I'd like you to link me any time I have ever mention Trump and Russia in any sort of conspiracy. You can't because the only time I bring up Trump is to point out how obsessed people on the left are. Your broad statements and lies are pretty much standard for this board. I won't wait for your reply, as like everyone on this board, you demand links for the most inane things , yet never provide any of your own.

    I also like how you call me a lurker because I do not post 9 times a day on this board like some of you do. I don't waste that kind of time arguing about minutia of an impeachment that is going to end in an acquittal. Everyone knows it will end in an acquittal and you guys go bonkers over the smallest thing. You know as sure as a partisan impeachment process happened that the other party will have a bipartisan acquittal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    I'd like you to link me any time I have ever mention Trump and Russia in any sort of conspiracy. You can't because the only time I bring up Trump is to point out how obsessed people on the left are. Your broad statements and lies are pretty much standard for this board. I won't wait for your reply, as like everyone on this board, you demand links for the most inane things , yet never provide any of your own.
    The irony of the above is almost beyond compare. Please point to any lies or lack of links. Speaking of pot, you're kettling pretty hard. Worried about the information coming out this evening? Looks like Trump's goons might have been looking at assassinating a U.S. Ambassador. Whooops.


    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    I also like how you call me a lurker because I do not post 9 times a day on this board like some of you do. I don't waste that kind of time arguing about minutia of an impeachment that is going to end in an acquittal. Everyone knows it will end in an acquittal and you guys go bonkers over the smallest thing. You know as sure as a partisan impeachment process happened that the other party will have a bipartisan acquittal.
    Then why are you so worried? Why are you and all the other Trumpkins going batshit crazy about something that is already predetermined. You have post after post in this thread about how silly the Impeachment has been, and yet you can't shut up about it. I wonder why.
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