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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxx79 View Post
    Man, you really don’t know American laws, don’t you? Are you actually American? You seem like you’ve failed in every aspect of understanding American laws.
    After reading his posts and seeing the trite he posts on The Hill, I'm pretty sure he's a paid Russian shill. It's best to ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    I know you're arguing in bad faith, but I'll take a crack at explaining this, since willful ignorance has to be fought on every level.

    The Constitution doesn't require the Judicial Committee to investigate impeachable offenses. Impeachable offenses can arise from any investigation, from any committee. The Ukraine information dealt with highly classified national security intelligence, so the Intelligence committee handled it. If Dems had ever pursued the emouluments violations as impeachable offenses, Ways and Means investigations would have informed the Judicial Committee in drafting the Article of Impeachment. If Trump had lied under oath in a deposition, like Clinton did, then the Judiciary would have investigated that. If Benghazi had led to impeachable offenses against Obama, the investigation in the House Oversight Committee would have informed the House Judiciary.

    As for calling for witnesses - that's just part of the political process. The Dems have the chair, they get to set the witness list. Incredibly, they called a bunch of extra witnesses they didn't initially subpoena, who the Republicans put on the list. Those witnesses burned the Republicans bad so now they must be some sort of deep state conspiracy, I guess.

    Moreover, the process of impeachment is most akin to a grand jury indictment. The grand jury process is by no means fair to the defendant. It is done in secret, behind closed doors, the defendant is NEVER there, and the prosecution can call any witness and present any evidence without any real judicial backstop to deny the prosecution. They then ask if it's more likely than not that the defendant committed the crime, and then the grand jury indicts the defendant if they say yes. In this case, indictment = impeachment.

    Keep in mind, though, that the process the Dems used was faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more open and transparent than the grand jury process on which it is based. It wasn't behind closed doors, defendants not only were invited to participate, but the defendant's political allies were in the room for EVERY. SINGLE. WITNESS, and the "prosecutors" (Schiff, etc) allowed the defendants to try and mount a defense, which they were in no way entitled to.

    I agree, a simple civics lesson would solve a lot of issues right here. Namely, the criminal process. The next step is the trial, in which the defendant DOES have many rights, and the whole thing is presided over by a judge (literally the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS), and a jury of the President's peers sit and deliberate over the evidence. Except, in this case, the GOP wants to break from norms, and not call witnesses. That's like the jury saying they don't want to call witnesses. That should be on the prosecutors (the House Managers presenting the Articles of Impeachment), with guidance and backstopping from the presiding Judge (CJ Roberts).
    Seriously? You know it's in bad faith, yet another moderator engages. Seriously?

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    Democrats so horny for impeachment MSNBC had a diagram for how Pelosi is going to walk over the articles to the senate herself.

  3. #12363
    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    So a civics lesson would explain how you decide what is relevant and what is not relevant?
    Actually, yes. It would determine the rules by with impeachment is handled, which you seem confused about. It's not a judicial process, it's a political one. Hence why successful impeachment only removes the president, which then opens them up to judicial proceedings.

    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    You just gave your opinion on which witnesses were relevant.
    No, that's a fact.

    Hunter Biden was not in the room or involved with this Ukraine decision. Neither was Joe Biden. They're involved an a separate allegation that, if there is belief of wrongdoing, the DoJ should pursue the investigation.

    It's literally a smokescreen.

    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    It's not a judicial process, I never said it was.
    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    Please explain why it's okay for adam schiff to take over impeachment from the judiciary and not allow witnesses Republicans want, but shameful and a coverup as Pelosi calls it for McConnell to not allow witnesses that democrats want?
    You did. It's not a process for the judicial branch/judiciary to run. They oversee the trial, that's it.

    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    I also admit it was not a fair process, it was a wholly one sided process where they took the responsibility away from the judiciary and gave it to Schiff.
    Oh hey, I guess I didn't need to dig up your own link because you're complaining about the very thing you claimed you didn't complain about in the next sentence!

    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    Not sure where they teach that, but maybe you can link a civics note where they take the house impeachment away from the judiciary chairman and have a different committee chairman do it.
    Cite in the Constitution where it must be the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, which if that's what you were talking about earlier you should have been more specific about.

    Because there isn't a citation for that because it's not required and has only been a more recent convention. Impeachment is largely still unknown waters, dude, we don't exactly have a playbook for how this is all supposed to work given how rare it is.

  4. #12364
    Quote Originally Posted by omerome View Post
    And it still wouldn't even get a Republican congress(wo)man to actually grow a pair and say, "enough is enough". That's what's even more mind-boggling.
    "I could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn't lose any voters.". He meant that literally and at this point it does include the Republican Party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    DocSavage/Texasrules, and many other posters have posted
    Fixed that part for you.
    Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
    "mmo-champion.com##li.postbitignored"
    to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Collegeguy View Post
    Democrats so horny for impeachment MSNBC had a diagram for how Pelosi is going to walk over the articles to the senate herself.
    Since the GOP abandoned morality and law & order, someone had to pick up the reins.
    No one is above the law!

  7. #12367
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Jesus. I continually, to this day, after three years of his horror, find myself stunned by what un-indicted co-conspirator-in-chief does. Are we seriously starting to uncover evidence of a plot to kill a U.S. Ambassador?
    The answer to that is, yes, given those messages. Scoping out her security for the hit, paying off the Ukrainian security services, working with the Russian security services, discussing the price his "people" wanted paying for dealing with her. Yes. Its pretty obvious what they were discussing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redtower View Post
    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

  8. #12368
    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Now all that remains to be seen is how much of this shit was directly overseen by Trump or if it's another instance of him 'just happening' to be working closely with a bunch of morally abhorrent shitheels.
    In this case, I'm betting this more of a "Notice me Senpai!" from Hyde. The ghoul might have known. But in this case, I dont think orders were given.

    Maybe Guiliani saying to Parnes(sp?) "You know I wish someone would rid me of this meddlesome priest" and Les repeating that near Hyde.

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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...63H?li=BBnb7Kz

    The vote was 228-193, coming at the start of a presidential election year and one month after the House impeached Trump alleging abuse of power over his pressure on Ukraine to investigate Democratic rival Joe Biden, using military aid to the country as leverage. Trump was also charged with obstructing Congress’ ensuing probe.
    I'm a little confused. Wouldn't house Republicans want the articles to go to the Senate? Why vote against it knowing it's going there anyway? And with team turtle face trying to rig it in Trump's favor it makes even less sense to vote against sending it to the Senate.

  10. #12370
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    I just caught up with today's evidence reveal...

    How is any of that okay? Literally worse than Watergate.
    IOKIYAR
    /10char

  11. #12371
    Quote Originally Posted by Templar 331 View Post
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...63H?li=BBnb7Kz



    I'm a little confused. Wouldn't house Republicans want the articles to go to the Senate? Why vote against it knowing it's going there anyway? And with team turtle face trying to rig it in Trump's favor it makes even less sense to vote against sending it to the Senate.
    Nothing the Republicans have done lately has made sense to the average thinking individual.

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    It's early yet, but while there is a Senate GOP vote coming on whether or not to call witnesses it's moderately telling there is currently no Senate GOP vote coming on whether to dismiss the charges immediately.

    No-one is above the law.

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    https://theintercept.com/2020/01/15/...health-issues/

    Asked for comment, Hyde texted The Intercept, “Bull Schiff is still crying?! Lol. Tell him to go whistleblow himself.” He did not respond to other allegations against him.
    Alright, say what you want about Hyde, who was apparently also violating a restraining order that was supposed to protect a Republican consultant he was stalking and intimidating, but this response is funny.

    It's fucking idiotic and childish, but I appreciate what he did with words there.

  14. #12374
    Susan Collins throws cold water on new Lev Parnas evidence. “I wonder why the House did not put that into the record and it’s only now being revealed.” Told it was just turned over, she says: “well doesn’t that suggest that the House did an incomplete job then?” @Phil_Mattingly
    https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/12...151780353?s=19

    This will be the moron defense the Republicans will use. For context this was just released.

    Why? The lawyers claimed they were part of Trump's legal team.
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  15. #12375
    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/12...151780353?s=19

    This will be the moron defense the Republicans will use. For context this was just released.

    Why? The lawyers claimed they were part of Trump's legal team.
    Oh, she's playing stupid? Or she is stupid. Either way, she's fucking dumb.

  16. #12376
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Oh, she's playing stupid? Or she is stupid. Either way, she's fucking dumb.
    Collins does it well. From the ACA repeal to Tax Cut. Let's see if it get's her re-elected.

    Who would have thought that as a representative you would want your persona to be actually be "clueless".
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    McConnell tells the Senate that the House would be setting a dangerous President by by proceeding with a partisan, incomplete case.

    "Why is it partisan and incomplete?"

    Why, because Trump told everyone that worked for him not to testify.

    No-one is above the law.

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    Damn, he's just out to fight everyone. This is what being a Trump acolyte looks like, obedience to Trump over all, and anything that can be done to "support" Trump, regardless of the legality of it, is fair-game.

    I just wonder how much more of this kind of behavior is going on that we don't know about. Yet.

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    The best part is that this is a Republican from Connecticut, where the supposedly "reasonable" Republicans exist.

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