1. #12521
    https://lawandcrime.com/impeachment/...in-his-closet/

    I think Ken Starr’s a lunatic. I really think that Ken Starr is a disaster. I hated the way the president handled it. He could have said, ‘Look, I don’t want to discuss it.’ I’ve seen politicians in New York that are scoundrels get away with that for years. ‘I don’t talk about my personal life.’ They’ve made a living off not talking about — he should have done that. Instead, he had to lie.

    ...

    He had to lie. I’m glad it worked out the way it did. But it was a long and terrible process. I — I really think that Ken Starr was terrible. But I think the president handled it terribly. And it’s a shame, because he could have gone down as a very good and even great president. It’s a shame.
    Donald Trump, commenting on his just-hired impeachment defense lawyer, Ken Starr.

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    Even more people in Trump's orbit who don't claim they don't know who Lev Parnas is have pictures of themselves with a smiling Lev Parnas.

    Today's guest: Former Florida AG who dropped an investigation into Trump University following a big donation from Trump, and current member of his impeachment defense team, Pam Bondi.



    He sure gets around for a guy that nobody knows!

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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1ZG20W

    I suspect that much of what’s been reported will ultimately prove wrong, but our obligation, my obligation as secretary of state, is to make sure that we evaluate, investigate. Any time there is someone who posits that there may have been a risk to one of our officers, we’ll obviously do that,” he said.
    THERE ARE FUCKING TEXT MESSAGES WITH HER PRECISE WHEREABOUTS AND SECURITY DETAIL, INCLUDING THE STATUS OF HER ELECTRONIC DEVICES.

    Mike Pompeo is human garbage. This is not how he should be framing any response, which should have been immediate, strong, an unequivocal in how it views the severity of these allegations.

    I'm legitimately surprised there hasn't been an internal revolt against him at Foggy Bottom, yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvaliz View Post
    I'm already preparing for the worse, and it's not just McRussia I'm worried about. Honestly, this recent tour of Parnas is bothering me to no end and smells rotten. He's saying and revealing everything on all the "liberal" sites... stuff I, of course love and expected to hear, but people like him usually are told to be silent by Lawyers, and people like him tend to end up suiciding by radioactive pills for doing what he's currently doing. But he's doing it - and doesn't seem scared one bit, and that scares me to no end... it makes me ask "What does he know that he's NOT telling us that's giving him this confidence?"

    Likewise I'm already worried about Bolton testifying. He's been a die-hard Alt-Righter for a while now, and with his dream war with Iran almost bearing fruit I'm half-expecting him to turn face and lie about every one of his experiences.
    It is a little disconcerting that Parnas is running around giving up a lot of good information that is good for the United States' and shows Trump to be more of what we already knew him to be - almost like a little too good to be true, or does he have some yuge bombshell that is his insurance. Bolton wanting to testify as well bothers me because his audience (and paycheck) are those people he is purportedly wanting to tarnish with his testimony.

    Is this high-end chess by McConnell? I don't think so, but I'm worried, too.
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  3. #12523
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    It is a little disconcerting that Parnas is running around giving up a lot of good information that is good for the United States' and shows Trump to be more of what we already knew him to be - almost like a little too good to be true, or does he have some yuge bombshell that is his insurance. Bolton wanting to testify as well bothers me because his audience (and paycheck) are those people he is purportedly wanting to tarnish with his testimony.

    Is this high-end chess by McConnell? I don't think so, but I'm worried, too.
    That right there! That's the best truncation for my worries as well. It's all too good and convenient... >_<

    Also, we don't have Dump twitting to the high heavens about Parnas' character on Twitter like he has done with every single individual person who has publicly spoken out against him that got news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    It is a little disconcerting that Parnas is running around giving up a lot of good information that is good for the United States' and shows Trump to be more of what we already knew him to be - almost like a little too good to be true, or does he have some yuge bombshell that is his insurance. Bolton wanting to testify as well bothers me because his audience (and paycheck) are those people he is purportedly wanting to tarnish with his testimony.

    Is this high-end chess by McConnell? I don't think so, but I'm worried, too.
    to me it smacks of not wanting to be left holding the bag. so many people on so many levels of government are being implicated.

  5. #12525
    Parnas said Biden did nothing wrong. 0 chance he testifies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Parnas said Biden did nothing wrong. 0 chance he testifies.
    That's okay, we can just go and have him testify under oath in the House.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Ken motherucking Starr? Really? I guess he does have impeachment experience, but him and Dershowitz...the White House is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    Not that it matters, most Republicans seem to have made up their minds anyways and don't even want to entertain this new evidence.

    Or have Parnas testify.
    Just to clarify for those new to the impeachment proceedings: Ken Starr was the one fired from Baylor U for covering up rapes, while Dershowitz is Epstein's unapologetic friend and frequent flyer to Rape Island.

    Can get a bit confusing, I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    That's okay, we can just go and have him testify under oath in the House.

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    Just to clarify for those new to the impeachment proceedings: Ken Starr was the one fired from Baylor U for covering up rapes, while Dershowitz is Epstein's unapologetic friend and frequent flyer to Rape Island.

    Can get a bit confusing, I know.
    Here's some info about Ken Starr to add to what you've said. Also Starr represented Epstein in court in the past just like Dershowitz did.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_St...lor_University

    Starr was the Duane and Kelly Roberts Dean and Professor of Law at Pepperdine University, when on February 15, 2010, Baylor University announced that it would introduce Starr as its newest president.[7] Starr became Baylor's 14th president, replacing John Lilley who was ousted in mid‑2008.[53] Starr was introduced as the new president on June 1, 2010.[54]

    His inauguration was held on September 17, 2010, where Stephen L. Carter was the keynote speaker.[55] Within his first two weeks in office, Starr was "leading the charge" to keep the university in the Big 12 Conference for athletics.[56] Starr was additionally named chancellor of Baylor in November 2013, a post that had been vacant since 2005. He became the first person to hold the positions of president and chancellor at Baylor at the same time.[57]

    In September 2015, Baylor's Board of Regents initiated an external review of the university's response to reports of sexual violence to be conducted by the Pepper Hamilton law firm. Baylor had been accused of failing to respond to reports of rape and sexual assault filed by at least six female students from 2009 to 2016. Former football player Tevin Elliot was convicted of rape. Elliot is currently serving a 20-year sentence after his conviction in January 2014.[58] Another student, Sam Ukwuachu, was convicted but has since had that conviction overturned and was retried, only to see it reinstated by the Texas Court of Appeals in 2018.[59] Pepper Hamilton reported their findings to the Regents on May 13,[60] and on May 26, the Regents announced Starr's removal as university president, effective May 31.[61]

    The May 26, 2016, announcement of personnel changes by the Board of Regents said Starr was to have continued as Chancellor and also as a faculty member at Baylor Law School. Starr, however, announced his resignation as Chancellor on June 1, effective immediately. He told an interviewer that he took that action "as a matter of conscience." He said he "willingly accepted responsibility" and "The captain goes down with the ship."[1] He resigned his position as the Louise L. Morrison Chair of Constitutional Law in Baylor Law School on August 19, 2016.[62]

  8. #12528
    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonKing View Post
    Here's some info about Ken Starr to add to what you've said. Also Starr represented Epstein in court in the past just like Dershowitz did.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_St...lor_University
    Man, I wonder how all the Q-anon folks are reacting to Trump packing his team with pedophile enablers. IS THE DEEP STATE FINALLY GETTING TO HIM?!

  9. #12529
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Man, I wonder how all the Q-anon folks are reacting to Trump packing his team with pedophile enablers. IS THE DEEP STATE FINALLY GETTING TO HIM?!
    why wouldnt the impeached president with a history of walking into teen girl's changing rooms get such lawyers?

  10. #12530
    Quote Originally Posted by mvaliz View Post
    That right there! That's the best truncation for my worries as well. It's all too good and convenient... >_<

    Also, we don't have Dump twitting to the high heavens about Parnas' character on Twitter like he has done with every single individual person who has publicly spoken out against him that got news.
    He’s too busy tweeting that he doesn’t know anything about Parnas to impugn the man’s character. It’ll shift at one point though.
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    100:1 odds that he wont
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    Okay. I'll stop sharing my views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvaliz View Post
    That right there! That's the best truncation for my worries as well. It's all too good and convenient... >_<

    Also, we don't have Dump twitting to the high heavens about Parnas' character on Twitter like he has done with every single individual person who has publicly spoken out against him that got news.
    And that's another good point - Trump isn't going to town on this guy at all, yet. But we've also seen a tweet-rage hiatus before when damning evidence is released by an individual. If he stays true to form, and this isn't an elaborate set up, then we should see tweet-rage-in-Chief start up tomorrow or Sunday at the latest.

    On the flip side, it was the Democrats who released the initial new evidence. Parnas is just icing on the cake with his interviews. This could be Pelosi engineering a fuck-ton more pressure on the Senate to allow witnesses and not get away with a quick trial. She is that good.
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    It's not going to be a rude awakening for anyone. The Trump cult has been ignoring evidence and reality for years now. Why should they stop now? Parnas is just fake news, etc.
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    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Knadra finally just admitting Trumpkins care more about political victories than morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    It's not going to be a rude awakening for anyone. The Trump cult has been ignoring evidence and reality for years now. Why should they stop now? Parnas is just fake news, etc.
    It's elegant in its simplicity.

    Once you convince people to ignore any news outlets willing to criticise you and dismiss everything reported as fake, you can do whatever you want because your supporters won't believe anyone who reports on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    On the flip side, it was the Democrats who released the initial new evidence. Parnas is just icing on the cake with his interviews. This could be Pelosi engineering a fuck-ton more pressure on the Senate to allow witnesses and not get away with a quick trial. She is that good.
    True on that as well. Pelosi knows where to hit Dump - like with comments that "He will be forever impeached" deliberately aiming to unsettle his ego.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvaliz View Post
    True on that as well. Pelosi knows where to hit Dump - like with comments that "He will be forever impeached" deliberately aiming to unsettle his ego.
    She is becoming the top champ in trolling our chump-in-chief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I'm legitimately surprised there hasn't been an internal revolt against him at Foggy Bottom, yet.
    Presumably all the worthwhile people there have either been fired or have resigned over the past 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drutt View Post
    It's elegant in its simplicity.

    Once you convince people to ignore any news outlets willing to criticise you and dismiss everything reported as fake, you can do whatever you want because your supporters won't believe anyone who reports on it.
    Not just that. I know we've joked about books like "Mom, there are Liberals Under my Bed!" (yes, that's an actual children's book, go look it up), but the sheer number of children's books about how awesome and righteous and wholesome and great Donald Trump is is just sky rocketing. https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Drains.../dp/1621579387

    I thought these books were satire, but then when I read the reviews it's shit like "Great read! Exposes the liberal deep government for what it is and accurately portrays our hero Trump in a fun and simple way for children!" in non ironic fashion.

    My one concession is that in about a decade, most people who have been staying in the Trump administration, gathering information and writing down tales of their time within the administration will have all been exposed, and the history books will paint a picture of Donald Trump as the most corrupt president in American history, and the dumbest wannabe dictator as well. All of these kids who grew up with their parents reading bedtime stories about super hero Donald Trump to them will have to face the reality that their parents were just forcing propaganda on them at a really young age, or drop out of school, because apparently school is a tool used by the liberal deep state to enslave the minds of America's children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Knadra finally just admitting Trumpkins care more about political victories than morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    Not just that. I know we've joked about books like "Mom, there are Liberals Under my Bed!" (yes, that's an actual children's book, go look it up), but the sheer number of children's books about how awesome and righteous and wholesome and great Donald Trump is is just sky rocketing. https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Drains.../dp/1621579387

    I thought these books were satire, but then when I read the reviews it's shit like "Great read! Exposes the liberal deep government for what it is and accurately portrays our hero Trump in a fun and simple way for children!" in non ironic fashion.

    My one concession is that in about a decade, most people who have been staying in the Trump administration, gathering information and writing down tales of their time within the administration will have all been exposed, and the history books will paint a picture of Donald Trump as the most corrupt president in American history, and the dumbest wannabe dictator as well. All of these kids who grew up with their parents reading bedtime stories about super hero Donald Trump to them will have to face the reality that their parents were just forcing propaganda on them at a really young age, or drop out of school, because apparently school is a tool used by the liberal deep state to enslave the minds of America's children.
    most of these types of people i know homeschool their kids (may also involve religious indoctrination.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    It is a little disconcerting that Parnas is running around giving up a lot of good information that is good for the United States' and shows Trump to be more of what we already knew him to be - almost like a little too good to be true, or does he have some yuge bombshell that is his insurance. Bolton wanting to testify as well bothers me because his audience (and paycheck) are those people he is purportedly wanting to tarnish with his testimony.

    Is this high-end chess by McConnell? I don't think so, but I'm worried, too.
    So, apparently (and this will surprise no one) Parnas's claim that Giuliani got him swept up in Yovanovitch's ouster in order to secure dirt on Biden from Lutsenko and Shokin doesn't match the timeline, which is to say, Parnas and Fruman were pushing for her to be fired even before Giuliani joined Trump and before there was any focus on Biden. Let's keep in mind, these guys are connected to Firtash, the Ukrainian oligarch with Russian mob ties who fled to Austria and is trying to avoid extradition. I've mentioned before that this whole thing started with Giuliani trying to discredit the Mueller report and get Manafort off the hook and they just stumbled into the Biden stuff (someone on this board, can't remember who, hilariously said something like, "Wait so they just stumbled into getting impeached? Perfect.") In any case, yes, he's sketch as hell and just as full of shit as everyone suspects. And we still don't know why, or who he was really working for (his wife got that 1 million dollar "loan" from Firtash's lawyer), or why they really wanted Yovanovitch out, or what they've actually been up to, then, or now.

    ETA: https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/10/1...e-yovanovitch/
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  20. #12540
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/17/polit...ing/index.html

    Barr was in at least one additional meeting with Giuliani that was not previously disclosed.

    He had already been briefed by the DoJ about the Manhattan investigation into Parnas and Fruman, who were connected to Giuliani.

    Interesting note

    The September meeting, led by attorneys from the Justice Department's fraud section, was unremarkable, and sit-downs of the kind are a common practice in high-stakes investigations. What's unusual is for the attorney general to be involved. High-profile attorneys often demand meetings to make their case with top Justice officials, and usually have to settle for prosecutors much lower in the chain of command, if they get a meeting at all.
    This sure adds evidence to Parnas' claims that Barr knows more than he's admitted to so far.

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