1. #12701
    Quote Originally Posted by akris15 View Post
    I'll give credit where credit is due Schiff isn't doing a bad job...
    I apologize, but could you please give me a link to this stuff and tag me in it, won't really be able to watch anything for a few hours from now, maybe till tomorrow.
    Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
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    to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.

  2. #12702
    Quote Originally Posted by akris15 View Post
    I'll give credit where credit is due Schiff isn't doing a bad job...
    If this was an unbiased jury he would win easy over these goof's.

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    Ugh looks like they are tabling more documents being made available. Not surprised, looks like it's gonna be a quick dismissal. This is only gonna energize the democrat base.

  3. #12703
    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    If this was an unbiased jury he would win easy over these goof's.

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    Ugh looks like they are tabling more documents being made available. Not surprised, looks like it's gonna be a quick dismissal. This is only gonna energize the democrat base.
    ...and probably just cost the GOP Colorado and Maine's seats....

  4. #12704
    And there's the votes to adopt McConnell's rules, without a single Republican defecting. 53-47, straight party lines.

    Let the Cover Up begin!

  5. #12705
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    And there's the votes to adopt McConnell's rules, without a single Republican defecting. 53-47, straight party lines.

    Let the Cover Up begin!
    "We don't want to introduce any evidence because it will be devastating to our case!"

  6. #12706
    Quote Originally Posted by akris15 View Post
    Well that didn't take long...surly McConnell should have known if he pushed this through in 2 days he would have lost 4 seats on that alone
    It's a calculated move. First make outlandish rules, then make concessions to make yourself look better. Not to mention, he gets to say "I've already caved this many times, what more do the democrats want?"

  7. #12707
    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    It's a calculated move. First make outlandish rules, then make concessions to make yourself look better. Not to mention, he gets to say "I've already caved this many times, what more do the democrats want?"
    Yeah it was censor bait...now they are gonna go party line now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    And there's the votes to adopt McConnell's rules, without a single Republican defecting. 53-47, straight party lines.

    Let the Cover Up begin!
    Reminds me of what a piece of shit Romney is every time. That dude talks so much about how he is "Very concerned" and "The Senate needs to get to the bottom of this", and "The House needs to send it to the Senate to try it", and the very first vote that comes up, he votes against seeing witnesses, and he is about to vote against seeing evidence as well.

    I think I prefer Gym Jordan. At least he is consistent and doesn't pretend to be anything except a diehard Trumper.
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  9. #12709
    Future election odds and outcomes do not belong in the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    It's a calculated move. First make outlandish rules, then make concessions to make yourself look better. Not to mention, he gets to say "I've already caved this many times, what more do the democrats want?"
    This is how South Park gets so much stuff on air.

  11. #12711
    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Reminds me of what a piece of shit Romney is every time. That dude talks so much about how he is "Very concerned" and "The Senate needs to get to the bottom of this", and "The House needs to send it to the Senate to try it", and the very first vote that comes up, he votes against seeing witnesses, and he is about to vote against seeing evidence as well.

    I think I prefer Gym Jordan. At least he is consistent and doesn't pretend to be anything except a diehard Trumper.
    People have to understand, Romney is as spineless as they come. He's more of a political windsock than Hillary could ever be, and he has no actual principles.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Future election odds and outcomes do not belong in the thread.
    Not trying to argue with moderation here, but this seems very unfair. In an ideal world, where Senators voted on the preponderance of evidence, this would be a fair rule, and discussions of the political impacts would be off topic. We do not live in that fairy tale world. 90 out of 100 senators are going to vote the way they think is most likely to get them reelected or the most plush post Senate job. And that is being extremely generous to 10 senators.

    In the context of reality, discussing how vulnerable a given Senator is for reelection is EXTREMELY relevant to this thread, both because of that Senator's desire for Self preservation, and McConnell's insistence on preserving his majority. Essentially, this entire impeachment hinges on "Future election odds and outcomes". The facts of the case are irrelevant. It isn't right, I am not happy about it, but it is reality, and banning us from talking about it completely kills the discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    People have to understand, Romney is as spineless as they come. He's more of a political windsock than Hillary could ever be, and he has no actual principles.
    My exact point.
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  13. #12713
    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Not trying to argue with moderation here, but this seems very unfair. In an ideal world, where Senators voted on the preponderance of evidence, this would be a fair rule, and discussions of the political impacts would be off topic. We do not live in that fairy tale world. 90 out of 100 senators are going to vote the way they think is most likely to get them reelected or the most plush post Senate job. And that is being extremely generous to 10 senators.

    In the context of reality, discussing how vulnerable a given Senator is for reelection is EXTREMELY relevant to this thread, both because of that Senator's desire for Self preservation, and McConnell's insistence on preserving his majority. Essentially, this entire impeachment hinges on "Future election odds and outcomes". The facts of the case are irrelevant. It isn't right, I am not happy about it, but it is reality, and banning us from talking about it completely kills the discussion.



    My exact point.
    Luckily, this will be Romney's political legacy. When he dies, and people call to mourn him, I will scoff at how truly useless and ineffective he was. There are plenty of politicians I have disagreed with (basically all of them), but I can still respect their principles and ethics.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

  14. #12714
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Luckily, this will be Romney's political legacy. When he dies, and people call to mourn him, I will scoff at how truly useless and ineffective he was. There are plenty of politicians I have disagreed with (basically all of them), but I can still respect their principles and ethics.
    When it came down to it, when the country needed him on health care, McCain voted down the repeal of ACA. There's a lot of his stuff (especially on the foreign policy side) I didn't agree with McCain, but one of his last acts in the Senate was to listen to his constituents and vote for the right thing to do...

    ...unfortunately it was diluted by the fact that he knew he was dying and would never run another election again, but, oh well, I guess.

  15. #12715
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    When it came down to it, when the country needed him on health care, McCain voted down the repeal of ACA. There's a lot of his stuff (especially on the foreign policy side) I didn't agree with McCain, but one of his last acts in the Senate was to listen to his constituents and vote for the right thing to do...

    ...unfortunately it was diluted by the fact that he knew he was dying and would never run another election again, but, oh well, I guess.
    I had some respect for McCain (not a lot, but some). He was also largely spineless, and went with the pack far too often, even when it went against his stated principles. Sure, he went back to being the "maverick" people claimed him to be, but that was only at the very end.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

  16. #12716
    i've seen some analysis on ol' mitch and the way he operates is "whatever it takes to win the next election", and his party generally follows suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    I am honestly wondering if they are going to try wholesale rigging elections to keep power at this point. They HAVE to know the consequences if they are out of power and with everything they have done so far, that really isn't a stretch for them, especially with the history of electronic voting going all the way back to the Bush years.

    I fear we will get a huge deal over election fraud followed by another "Anthrax in the mail" scare or something similar just long enough to distract the media who then never looks back.
    I am deeply concerned about that as well. The moment a Democrat sits in the White House a entire division will be created to investigate what Trump and his crime family have wrought on this country and the world. Given that...yeah, they must know that will happen, and I can definitely see some vote rigging going on. And because our voting system is so shitty (i.e. the deplorableness of the Electoral College) it might only take a dozen or so counties in key states to flip the vote.

    If I were on the DNC's Election Security Committee, I'd be losing my shit. There is no way we might even know they did it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Future election odds and outcomes do not belong in the thread.
    Bah! Responded before I came to this post - sorry!
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  18. #12718
    https://www.axios.com/apple-watch-im...c8079bb10.html

    Neither party is following the "no phones" rule, everyone is just bringing in Apple Watches which have all the same functionality but aren't banned.

    I'll note that according to the count, more Republicans are flouting their own rule than Democrats.

  19. #12719
    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post
    they can "fix" an already booming and successful economy.
    Trump said the same thing and the economy is worse off than it was years ago. Look at how much he "fixed" it.

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    Are any Trump supporters in this forum REALLY okay with Trump and the GOP covering up evidence and denying witnesses?

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