Mega-Thread: Impeachment Proceedings & Inquiry of Trump

[Breccia]

For the people who whine about hearsay I give you

Exactly.

Leaving out the ICIG -- which you can't, but bear with me -- imagine the laughable "hearsay" context applied for a minute.

CIA Agent A: I just heard about a crime about to happen! Quick, call the boss and I'll try to stop them.
CIA Agent B: Oh, no can do, Bob. If I tell the boss, that's hearsay.
CIA Agent A: What? Ray, we've worked together for 12 years! We've worked dozens of cases together!
CIA Agent B: I know, but, hands tied.

FOX News Reporter: Mr. Anchor, I found this story. This is important and you need to say it on the air.
FOX News Anchor: Oh, no can do, Bob. If I tell our audience, that's hearsay.
FOX News Reporter: But everyone else is covering it! Look, there it is on CNN, ABC, NBC, Reuters, BBC --
FOX News Anchor: I know, but, hands tied.

Wife: Doctor, help! My husband said he was having an allergic reaction! He's passed out in the --
Doctor: Oh, no can do. Coming from you, that's hearsay. I'm going to have to examine him myself and come up with my own diagnosis.
Wife: He's dying!
Doctor: Ah ah ah, rules are rules.

And anyone who tries "But that specific example isn't a good parallel" is, of course, missing the point, possibly on purpose. Any claim that hearing information from another person doesn't count is bad enough. Any claim that hearing information from another intelligence agent, which is exactly what the whistleblower's complaint says, doesn't count is just trying to deflect, because they know they backed a lying loser traitor and won't admit they made a mistake.

[DocSavageFan]

If you say so.

I was just pointing out that Nunes' conservative "perspective" is insane. Trying to push "possible other crimes" while ignoring "crimes that have been confessed to" is insane.

Please stop lying....you called me insane. And for the record....the double standard here is fucking bullshit.

If that's the conservative perspective, it's just more confirmation that the entire Republican Party is insane. "Information warfare"?!?!? You mean, "bringing out the truth because Trump and cohorts tried to cover it up?".

You just confirmed how utterly unhinged the GOP is with reality. Believing this summary is evidence of insanity.

[Felya]

Please stop lying....you called me insane. And for the record....the double standard here is fucking bullshit.

This is coming from a guy that called people deranged while complaining about mods. Any chance for an opinion on the topic or is this another ‘watch docsavagefan insult random people’ thread? Because formal impeachment is a lot more significant, than your need to tell people they are deranged. Any word on the OP? I think it’s pretty damning...

[Thepersona]

Much as he may think otherwise.

The god emperor is an inmortal, extremely powerful psychic, that tries to uplift humanity but ultimately fails (fuck erebus)
Dotard Tang hopes he could do 0,1% of any of those things

[Bodakane]

How to spot a liar:

Frist, they quote FOX News. That's not a great starting point.

Second, they don't cite their sources.

More importantly:



As I clearly posted before, your statement is objectively false. The funds were approved by the DoD July 18, the phone call was July 25, the funds were officially withheld (first info made public) Aug 3.

The statement made is an objective falsehood.

There's more, of course:

1) There is a difference between "retraction" and "different news source finding a different Ukrainian official". Also, it wasn't one Ukrainian official, it was multiple, so the entire argument is dead in the water anyhow.

2) Any defense that goes with "as you can see by the transcript" is useless, because we don't have the transcript. The transcript is locked away. We have some recollections about the transcript. Trump edited the evidence. Saying "Trump is not guilty because he edited the evidence to appear not guilty" is just dishonest.

3) Saying it is false that Trump pushed Giuliani towards Ukraine, because it happened before the phone call...uh...what? That's nonsensical.

4) "Maguire says the report is a lie" is no more defense than "Trump says the report is a lie". Considering the charges include a cover up, the word of the accused is meaningless as defense.

And of course, the telltale sign that really leap off the page:

5) "I don't support Trump, but isn't everything he does great and isn't all this evidence handwavable?"

There's one more sign of concern, not evidence of being a liar -- we have enough of that, I posted the timeline of events and addressed these objectively false talking points in earlier posts. Please read this line of the post:



Now, go back and read the post again. Really read it. I think someone was, well, rushin' to post.

This post will be all the prosecution needs to prove you internet murdered "silveth".

[Noxx79]

Please stop lying....you called me insane. And for the record....the double standard here is fucking bullshit.

You called people having tds. Trump derangement syndrome. If you can’t handle being called likewise (even though you weren’t) stop insulting people.
Is there anything you isnt a self-own?

[Rozz]

Stick to the Impeachment Inquiry and don't discuss moderation or derail with off-topic arguments and insults.

[Breccia]

The Wall Street Journal reports that Pence advised against releasing that partial transcript. Quoting TheHill because paywall:

Vice President Pence urged President Trump not to release a memo detailing his call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky this week amid a scandal over Trump's efforts to persuade the Ukrainian leader to direct an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden.

The Wall Street Journal reported Friday that Pence fell in line and ultimately supported the report's public release, but privately counseled Trump against the matter when it was first raised. The White House eventually released the rough transcript, according to the Journal, because Trump felt that Republicans were losing the messaging battle in the press.

I was able to find a video that approximates the conversation.

Now Pence has said since that the transcript clearly vindicates Trump, which
a) no it doesn't, and
b) doesn't matter if it did, it's not the real transcript, Trump hid that

Considering Trump has already dragged Pence into it, but there's no reason to believe he was there for the original phone call (I honestly don't think he was), I'm not 100% sure what Pence's motivation is, but I have a theory: Pence knows Trump, and knows full well Trump fucked up. He thought hiding all the evidence would be a lesser problem than what we have now, and he might even be right. We still need the House and Senate to see the real transcript, but now, because of the bits that were released, we already know how bad things are.

Partial evidence released by the accused is never, ever good enough. It's like...hmm...it's like promising that you're rich, but failing to release your taxes, but instead releasing fiscal disclosure forms with vague entries like "TEN BILLION DOLLARS!" written in Sharpie.

[Skroe]

It's hilarious going on Conservative Blogs / Twitter in the morning and seeing how the talking heads who went wobbly yesterday, after a night of considering what the end of the Trump era would mean to their bank account, are now rationalizing anything and everything, and grabbing onto even the smallest bits of hope. Oh yeah and JOE BIDEN! Cuz of course.

It's just really funny how its a light switch.

Yesterday it was all "uhoh this could be really really bad for the President. He's in a lot of trouble".

Today it's

"There is no story here. Ukraine didn't think it was being intimidated. Joe Biden's son had a secret child in Tennessee" (seriously).

The thing about the conservative commentariat of old, much like the Democratic comentariat of now, is they weren't bound to a President.

But SO MANY PEOPLE owe their entire career to Donald Trump in it today. He allowed them to leapfrog their entrenched competitors by enabling 4th rate talent to go unhinged, like the President, and feed the base.

Tucker Carlson is the patron saint of this. To me, he'll always be the mostly harmless buffoon on Crossfire that John Stewart took to town, who then spent the next 11 years bouncing around network to network as his career went nowhere. But Trump comes along and Tucker decides "you know what, I'm taking Bill O'Reilly's time spot... lets carve out a new alt-right audience to make money off of".

[Cthulhu 2020]

Homeless issue - ignore - attack Trump
mental health issues - ignore - attack Trump
national debt - ignore - attack Trump
med prices - ignore - attack Trump

Your post is filled to the brim with right wing talking points, pretty much ripped straight off of Fox news, conservative youtubers (or those that pretend to be independents but really just attack Dems and praise Trump all the time), but I'll address this one specifically.

Democrats in the house have passed many many many bills addressing hot button topics, ranging from gun control, to personal debt, to health care, etc. Issues people care about. Yes, They were penned then voted on in the house of representatives and passed. Do you know where those bills go to die? Mitch McConnell's desk. Good ole Moscow Mitch has to bring those bills up for a vote for them to even stand a chance of passing the Senate. And he doesn't. People cry that Dems "only" ever attack Trump, and yet they're extremely busy passing bills too. And knowing that Mitch kills all their bills, maybe people can finally start to understand why all you hear about from the news media is Trump. In this case, their "attack" on Trump is legitimate. As much as you may disagree with their past "attacks", this one is incredibly legitimate as Trump himself admitted to a quid-pro-quo with Ukraine. That's an abuse of power. He broke the law, flagrantly and seriously.

In what alternate reality of America should people NOT care about a sitting president breaking such a serious law?

[Draco-Onis]

At this point I haven't moved my thoughts. I still dislike Trump and would like him to shut up, do the job he was elected to, and then go away, hopefully without breaking anything that can't be repaired. I now dislike the national democrats because they seem to have no plan but go after Trump in as many ways as possible and just hope something sticks.

Homeless issue - ignore - attack Trump
mental health issues - ignore - attack Trump
national debt - ignore - attack Trump
med prices - ignore - attack Trump
on and on.

And you are lying through your teeth, republicans had full control of the government and its their policies that have worsen all these issues. They defunded mental heatlh, gutted Obamacare which increased prices on drugs and skyrocketed health care cost, passed a tax cut for the rich and corporations that blew up the debt. The democrats have one chamber of congress and have passed bills addressing all these issues but it's their fault?

You are just another Trump supporter who says whatever fox tells them to.

[downnola]

It's odd how people can claim he's innocent. The white house published document clearly shows that he did what the whistleblower claims.

I couldnt care less if someone votes republican, wants Pence for President or whatever. But when they're defending someone who's clearly attacking their democracy, they are nothing but sellouts who is taking a piss on the American flag. The only thing Trump represents is gangster methods to enrich himself and undermine the US. These idiots will be on the wrong side of history and will end up a laughing stock for anyone who knew they supported Trump.

There will be a time in the not so distant future where "conservatives" will pretend they didn't support Trump. I fully expect Trump to go on regular tirades calling these people out as brown nosers when they publically attempt to distance themselves from him.

[Skroe]

There will be a time in the not so distant future where "conservatives" will pretend they didn't support Trump. I fully expect Trump to go on regular tirades calling these people out as brown nosers when they publically attempt to distance themselves from him.

He'll still call himself "your favorite President" until the day he dies.

He's a sickening specimen.

[kaid]

There will be a time in the not so distant future where "conservatives" will pretend they didn't support Trump. I fully expect Trump to go on regular tirades calling these people out as brown nosers when they publically attempt to distance themselves from him.

He will fully be cast down into the memory hole with george w bush as soon as his usefulness is over.

[Cthulhu 2020]

There should be if there isn't.

The Trump shitshow thread and the Mueller investigation thread are both pretty good sources of "all the shit Trump has done". Just read Edge and Breccia's posts and ignore the rest.

I know Trump has done some truly shitty stuff to disgrace our nation, and I've likely forgotten 90% of it as well simply because he just does something more outrageously stupid every single day.

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He'll still call himself "your favorite President" until the day he dies.

He's a sickening specimen.

I'd be pleased if he was doing it from his jail cell. I'd WANT them to give him access to twitter in prison, just to see the hilarious rantings of an old man in prison. But we all know rich people don't go to prison. At worst he'll get house arrest.

[Noxx79]

The Trump shitshow thread and the Mueller investigation thread are both pretty good sources of "all the shit Trump has done". Just read Edge and Breccia's posts and ignore the rest.

I know Trump has done some truly shitty stuff to disgrace our nation, and I've likely forgotten 90% of it as well simply because he just does something more outrageously stupid every single day.

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I'd be pleased if he was doing it from his jail cell. I'd WANT them to give him access to twitter in prison, just to see the hilarious rantings of an old man in prison. But we all know rich people don't go to prison. At worst he'll get house arrest.

Oh if life was a good movie, trump would be sentenced to house arrest in one of Jared’s rat infested properties in Baltimore.

[Felya]

He will fully be cast down into the memory hole with george w bush as soon as his usefulness is over.

Unfortunately he will not. If he isn’t in jail, bet on at least 1 reality show based on Trump and his cohorts. Remember, this is the same Trump that pretended to be someone else regularly, in trying to get Trump Organization into media.

[Redwyrm]

Unfortunately he will not. If he isn’t in jail, bet on at least 1 reality show based on Trump and his cohorts. Remember, this is the same Trump that pretended to be someone else regularly, in trying to get Trump Organization into media.

Scary thing is, even after Trump is out of office, he will still receive classified information and reports. On top of getting Secret Service protection for him and his extended greasy family until he dies from choking on a McDonald's hamburger.

[Breccia]

Rep. Adam Schiff fraudulently read to Congress, with millions of people watching, a version of my conversation with the President of Ukraine that doesn’t exist. He was supposedly reading the exact transcribed version of the call, but he completely changed the words to make it sound horrible, and me sound guilty. HE WAS DESPERATE AND HE GOT CAUGHT. Adam Schiff therefore lied to Congress and attempted to defraud the American Public. He has been doing this for two years. I am calling for him to immediately resign from Congress based on this fraud!
-- Trump

"I was only joking."
-- Schiff

And we see the hypocrisy on display. Not the "only joking", that's just flat-out gold. No, Trump saying that lying to Congress counts as resign-worthy fraud.

Is that the game Trump really wants to play? Lie to Congress = fraud = must resign? Because I don't think that's the game he wants to play. I think he lied to the American people plenty, including multiple SotU speeches.

EDIT: As a reminder, Schiff has not seen the real transcript. Trump hid it. So he's lying even now.

Oh, and Sen. Feinstein, yes she's on the SIC, wants to see it. I'm fairly sure Trump will refuse, which is all we need to know about what's on the transcript. Schiff might have been joking, but he might have been right anyhow.

[unfilteredJW]

Unfortunately he will not. If he isn’t in jail, bet on at least 1 reality show based on Trump and his cohorts. Remember, this is the same Trump that pretended to be someone else regularly, in trying to get Trump Organization into media.

Penal President does sound marketable.