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    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ued-biden-dirt

    "To Win Giuliani’s Help, Oligarch’s Allies Pursued Biden Dirt

    Associates of a Ukrainian oligarch fighting extradition to the U.S. were working to dig up dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden last summer in an effort to get Rudy Giuliani’s help in the oligarch’s legal case, according to three people familiar with the exchanges.

    Dmitry Firtash, charged with conspiracy by the U.S. and living in Vienna, shuffled lawyers in July to add Joe diGenova and Victoria Toensing, vocal supporters of President Donald Trump who had worked with Giuliani. Around that time, some of Firtash’s associates began to use his broad network of Ukraine contacts to get damaging information on Biden, the people said.

    DiGenova and Toensing have billed Firtash about $1 million for their work, one of the people said. That includes costs for Lev Parnas, a Giuliani associate, as a translator and important contact, the person said. Parnas was arrested last week along with several associates and accused of conspiring to violate campaign-finance laws.

    People working on Firtash’s behalf collected a witness statement from Viktor Shokin, a former Ukrainian prosecutor-general. The statement, dated early September, helped Giuliani renew an assertion that he’d been advancing for months -- that Biden had tried in 2016 to sway Ukrainian politics to help his son. U.S. and Ukrainian officials have disputed Shokin’s account.

    Shokin, though, had been promised his statement wouldn’t be made public, according to the people. Giuliani went on to cite it repeatedly, waving it around on cable news as evidence of Biden’s alleged corruption. The Hill and other media outlets provided links to it, with Giuliani later suggesting he had a role in making it public. “This is the affidavit I put out,” he said during a Fox News interview this month.

    As a result of the publicity Giuliani generated with Shokin’s statement, two of the people said they believe the odds of the Justice Department dropping the case against Firtash have plummeted, because it would look like a quid pro quo. Others connected to the case agreed.

    U.S. lawmakers conducting a presidential impeachment inquiry are bearing down on whether favors were traded for influence. They are examining Giuliani’s efforts to turn up evidence in Ukraine and allegations that the Trump administration withheld crucial aid until the country’s president agreed to investigate the Bidens.

    Political Aid

    If indeed Firtash’s camp aided the Trump political machine, that could be a problem. American politicians cannot accept foreign campaign contributions, and as Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation has laid out, even non-monetary assistance can have a value.

    In a statement from his spokesman, Firtash denied having contact with Giuliani.

    Giuliani, in a text message, wrote: “I have nothing to do with Firtash case. Never met him and don’t know him.”

    Asked about whether Shokin’s statement may have harmed Firtash’s chances of getting the case dropped, Giuliani responded, “It would seem to me it should have nothing to do with it. It’s either a good case or not.”

    Toensing and diGenova, a husband-and-wife law team, declined to comment through a spokesman. The Justice Department also declined to comment.

    Giuliani was an attractive ally for Firtash. Once renowned for his work as a U.S. prosecutor and a New York mayor, he was a close adviser to Trump and became his personal lawyer in April 2018. He also brought extensive contacts in Republican-leaning legal circles.

    A Ukrainian industrialist with natural gas interests, Firtash was looking to get out from under five years of legal headaches in the U.S. Federal prosecutors have accused him of corruption and racketeering conspiracy. He’s accused of participating in a scheme to bribe Indian officials to secure titanium that would be sold to Boeing Co.

    Arrested in Vienna on the U.S. charges in March 2014, he posted $174 million in bail and pledged to remain in Austria during extradition proceedings. The Justice Department has described Firtash as an associate of “Russian organized crime.” He has denied all the charges.

    His aides have argued the case is politically motivated, designed to keep him from influencing Ukraine after the country’s pro-Russian president was ousted in 2014. After joining the Firtash team, DiGenova and Toensing sought information related to Biden to bolster the idea that the case was political, the people familiar with the matter said.

    In five years of court battles, Firtash’s legal team has successfully beaten back U.S. efforts to bring him to trial in Chicago. The tide appeared to turn over the summer when the Justice Department won a ruling in Austria securing his extradition. But his legal team there filed new evidence asserting that two key witnesses had recanted. His extradition is on hold.

    On a separate track, his U.S. legal team continues to challenge the case’s legitimacy. By last summer, Firtash decided he needed reinforcements. In July, he parted ways with Lanny Davis, a longtime ally of Bill and Hillary Clinton, both Democrats. Within Firtash’s circle, those ties weren’t considered helpful in dealing with Trump’s Justice Department, according to the people.

    Tapping pro-Trump lawyers like diGenova and Toensing looked like a useful way to help get his case thrown out, the people said. The legal duo had considered representing Trump during the Mueller probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election. DiGenova has appeared on Fox News attacking Mueller’s investigation.

    In late September, Fox News reported that the pair was working “off the books” with Giuliani to dig up dirt on the Bidens in Ukraine. That mission was shared by Parnas and Igor Fruman, associates of Giuliani who helped set up meetings with Ukrainian officials. Along with Parnas, Fruman was arrested last week and charged with campaign finance violations. Both men had one-way tickets to Vienna. Giuliani also had a trip scheduled to Vienna.

    Efforts have already been made to shield some of the work by Parnas and Fruman. The pair assisted DiGenova and Toensing in their law practice, according to John Dowd, a former Trump lawyer now representing them. In a letter to lawmakers, Dowd also wrote that Parnas and Fruman assisted Giuliani in his legal work for Trump, arguing that the two should be protected under attorney-client privilege rules.

    Toensing has said her firm hired Parnas as a paid translator, though people familiar with Firtash’s business say he has plenty of translators and key aides who speak fluent English.

    A spokesman for Firtash said he had no contractual or other commercial relationship with Parnas or Fruman.

    There was one additional connection that DiGenova and Toensing had that people in the Firtash camp considered potentially useful, according to one of the people. Their son Brady Toensing, the former head of the Vermont Republican Party, had joined the Justice Department as senior counsel in its Office of Legal Policy in June. In that position, Brady Toensing has no connection to the Firtash case.

    Witness Statement

    The witness statement from Shokin remains a curiosity. The ex-prosecutor said in his affidavit that he had no evidence of crimes committed by Firtash, a statement intended to help in Firtash’s Austrian legal proceedings. It also included Shokin’s unsupported allegation that Biden attempted to interfere with an investigation of Burisma Holdings, a private natural gas company that had the vice president’s son Hunter on the board.

    U.S. and Ukrainian officials have said there was no active probe into Burisma at the time.

    Biden had threatened to withhold $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees unless Shokin was fired because of his failure to tackle corruption. Biden’s action was proposed by State Department officials and supported by the European Union."

    — With assistance by Greg Farrell, David Voreacos, and Boris Groendahl

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    Trump's constant attention on Pelosi is making her popular.

    What Trump opposes becomes more popular

    All these results are consistent with what I’ve reported in the past. For instance, Trump’s record unpopularity helped make Barack Obama and Muslims more popular during the 2016 campaign, while eroding support for his signature border wall.

    These trends have continued since the election. Trump’s opposition to immigration and Islam has increasingly made the country in general, and Democrats in particular, more supportive of immigrants and Muslims.

    In fact, the impeachment inquiry is now the second time that taking on Trump has made Pelosi more popular. As noted in a post early this year, the speaker’s opposition to Trump during the 2018-2019 government shutdown increased her favorability rating by about eight percentage points.


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    I never liked Pelosi. Too much a political creature.
    But how she's handling Trump, rather deftly...it's hard not to admire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    I really don't understand why people keep defending her.

    She lost, bury her political corpse and forget her.
    I don't get why people keep bringing her up as some kind of defense for Trump. Trump does something illegal, "BUH BUH WHAT ABOUT CLINTON!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Trump's constant attention on Pelosi is making her popular.

    What Trump opposes becomes more popular

    All these results are consistent with what I’ve reported in the past. For instance, Trump’s record unpopularity helped make Barack Obama and Muslims more popular during the 2016 campaign, while eroding support for his signature border wall.

    These trends have continued since the election. Trump’s opposition to immigration and Islam has increasingly made the country in general, and Democrats in particular, more supportive of immigrants and Muslims.

    In fact, the impeachment inquiry is now the second time that taking on Trump has made Pelosi more popular. As noted in a post early this year, the speaker’s opposition to Trump during the 2018-2019 government shutdown increased her favorability rating by about eight percentage points.


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    I never liked Pelosi. Too much a political creature.
    But how she's handling Trump, rather deftly...it's hard not to admire.
    It might be hard for some to like Pelosi, but you've gotta respect how much she's playing Trump hard.
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    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Knadra finally just admitting Trumpkins care more about political victories than morals.

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    Imagine thinking Hillary Clinton's email make qpq excusable. Imagine still being worried about her emails. Imagine still being worried about her email yet still not finding any dirt related to them.

    Stupidgate indeed.

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    We have 2 republicans coming out for impeachment today -

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    quid pro quo...shit.
    Lets call it what it is; extortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Sorry, the only one bringing her up is your side.

    I'm just correcting people clearly remembering her with rose-coloured glasses.

    She was crooked, using her as example is counter-productive.
    You didn't correct anything lmfao. You linked something that contradicted your own claim.....
    I have a fan. Seems he was permabanned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    We have 2 republicans coming out for impeachment today -
    Shit, why can't Rooney be my representative. He sounds like a really decent person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Sorry, the only one bringing her up is your side.
    And yet you posted in thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Sorry, Clinton's lawyers facilitating deletion of her emails after subpoena that expressly called for them to be kept is a fact.

    And trying to get people to ignore facts like that is how she lost.
    Objective proof you're a liar. Whoops.
    No one is above the law!

  10. #5010
    Looking at Fox News today throughout all this has been crazy. In that if you get your news from Fox, you probably think you live in a totally different reality than the one real people actually exist in. One of their main stories has been Clinton's fucking emails. What is wrong with these people? This is a point where the only unfair part about calling them mentally ill is that it's unfair to the mentally ill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butter Emails View Post
    I don't get why people keep bringing her up as some kind of defense for Trump. Trump does something illegal, "BUH BUH WHAT ABOUT CLINTON!"

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    It might be hard for some to like Pelosi, but you've gotta respect how much she's playing Trump hard.
    Hank Paulson (Bush’s Treasury Secretary) could not stand her. Although he ended up spending a lot of time in her office working on the 2008 Economic Bailout package. In his book, “On The Brink”, there were some stories about Nancy Pelosi.

    "We were in Nancy Pelosi's conference room…she maintained an elegant, almost formal atmosphere, with fresh flowers and bowls of chocolates, that was quite removed from the rough-and-tumble of the floor."

    "Once, when I walked in with a cup of Diet Coke, she'd said, 'Oh, we don't use plastic cups,' and an aide promptly handed me a very nice glass for my drink."
    Except for whiffs of his ire for Nancy Pelosi making him pour his Diet Coke into a glass, very nice glass according to him, the book actually flatters her quite generously in term of getting the Democrats to vote for the bailout package. He openly admitted that without her, there would have been no bailout package.

    It was a very unpopular bill among Democrats. Congressional Democrats unanimously viewed the meltdown as the result of failed policies of the Bush administration. Leading up to the crisis, House Republicans resisted regulation, discipline and supervision. Now, when the walls were about to come tumbling down, Democrats were opposed intervention.

    It is a testament to Pelosi’s capability that 172 Democrats ended up voting in favor of the bill and only 62 opposed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Shit, why can't Rooney be my representative. He sounds like a really decent person.
    Only decent compared to the average republican. He's anti-ACA, anti-abortion, anti-DACA, wants concealed carry reciprocity, loves trump's tax cut, wants to purge the FBI of non-trump supporters, and is a deep state nut.

    This matter, his occasional environmental support, and inconsistent support for rational firearms policies are his lone saving graces.

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  13. #5013
    EXCLUSIVE: Rudy Giuliani pushed Trump administration to grant a visa to a Ukrainian official promising dirt on Democrats https://t.co/3l6DEjqi7l https://t.co/ZQhAxnxi99
    https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/stat...231751168?s=19

    We are eventually going to have a story about Giuliani offering the state of North Dakota for dirt on Biden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    Only decent compared to the average republican. He's anti-ACA, anti-abortion, anti-DACA, wants concealed carry reciprocity, loves trump's tax cut, wants to purge the FBI of non-trump supporters, and is a deep state nut.

    This matter, his occasional environmental support, and inconsistent support for rational firearms policies are his lone saving graces.
    I am anti-ACA, anti-abortion, pro-DACA, all for concealed carry reciprocity, thinks Trump's tax cut is a scam, want to protect the independence of the FBI and other federal agencies, and love nuts, especially walnuts.

    So some clear differences of opinion, but I am on board with some of that.
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    I know it's a joke, but I've honestly been wondering lately when we'd start getting reports of Trump trying to sell/trade blue states like Hawaii. The republican base already thinks it's a separate country based on how they talked about it during the Obama years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shon237 View Post
    https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/stat...231751168?s=19

    We are eventually going to have a story about Giuliani offering the state of North Dakota for dirt on Biden.
    Wouldn't be a bad way to go about things, there's nothing but dirt in North Dakota.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    I know it's a joke, but I've honestly been wondering lately when we'd start getting reports of Trump trying to sell/trade blue states like Hawaii. The republican base already thinks it's a separate country based on how they talked about it during the Obama years.
    I was thinking Puerto Rico would be the one he'd trade to Russia for being a drain on FEMA and always being in the way of hurricanes.

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    Ah, Trump voters. They never fail to disappoint.

    Trump's reelection campaign is now selling "Get over it" T-Shirts. So that is a thing. Trump's chief of staff admits to federal crimes on behalf of the President, but tells people just to get over it, then said President's campaign prints the quote on a T-Shirt and sells it to his supporters.

    The "Law and Order" candidate everyone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Ah, Trump voters. They never fail to disappoint.

    Trump's reelection campaign is now selling "Get over it" T-Shirts. So that is a thing. Trump's chief of staff admits to federal crimes on behalf of the President, but tells people just to get over it, then said President's campaign prints the quote on a T-Shirt and sells it to his supporters.

    The "Law and Order" candidate everyone!
    I mean, they were selling $15 sharpies after "sharpiegate", this isn't remotely surprising. This is the troll party, and the troll candidate, and the troll campaign.

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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...edName=topNews

    And Perry won't cooperate, surprising nobody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    And Perry won't cooperate, surprising nobody.
    Claiming the inquiry isn't official so they don't have to do shit. Well, time for subpoenas.

    No-one is above the law.

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