Mega-Thread: Impeachment Proceedings & Inquiry of Trump

[Video Games]

The thing is, they only need one. One Article that the House of Reps can agree on, and that the Senate can support.

In my prior post, I mentioned they were sticking to the "sure thing" rather than the "kitchen sink". To me, this suggests that the Democrats think they might actually get the Senate on board. McConnell can't throw it out; he's legally obligated to hold this proceeding. And he doesn't preside over it; Chief Justice Roberts does. So things can't be QUITE as blockaded as they would be for a normal bill. They're going to have to vote, and they're going to know history is watching, and we might see enough Republicans say "yeah, that was abuse of power" that the Senate might actually convict. To at least some Republicans, damage control needs to be what they're thinking, and voting to remove Trump is a first step. If they don't, they'll wear that choice the rest of their careers.

The "kitchen sink" approach I would have expected if they were expecting to fail in the Senate regardless. List everything, as damning as it is, and put it out there publicly. Use them, and the Republican response to it, as the basis for the 2020 election run. If the House voted to include bribery, money laundering, racketeering, etc in the list of Articles, they could be referring to those in every campaign ad. Not likely to attract Republican voters, but it might have the same suppressive effect that the Clinton email fiasco had on her campaign.

The advantage of the "sure thing" is that, if you can get him removed, you can roll out criminal charges for every goddamned thing you left out of the Articles of Impeachment. He isn't exonerated for any of that, and those criminal charges can be held for when he's out of office.

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I mean, he didn't "get away with it". He had temporary immunity from prosecution. Not the same thing.

Either way he was cruising into 2020 with his unmovable approval rating and got done in by a phone call. 4d chess at work there

[shimerra]

If thats what you think then you arent looking at the object of the ire. I wasnt the subject of a 2 year investigation only to get away with it but then mess it up over a phonecall, committing several felonies and crying on twitter for being caught so i dont deserve you pissing on my things

Oh i'm definitely looking at the object of ire. And your comment directly stated you didn't understand people's ire because you and by extension others could and should derive entertainment from his antics. And let's not pretend there aren't people who'd find it absolutely hilarious at me doing to you what I describe, no need for you to be famous or for you to have given them a reason to dislike you. You made no case about what Trump does or doesn't deserve only comments about how no one else should hate him because he's entertaining. Well, that means as long as people are entertained by me ruining your things you have no right to hate.

I just actually understand the impact he has and even if his actions don't always have an immediate direct impact on me like stubbing me toe can see the effects. But your derpy indifference is equally as stupid as many of Trump's antics. But the difference is you're less than a fart in the wind to 99.999999999% of this world. Trump's actions, unlike reality TV which I guess you didn't know is largely faked, will have real world consequences that last years even decades. There's plenty of reason to hate Trump and not find him the least bit funny or hate him and find his antics laughable.

[Video Games]

Oh i'm definitely looking at the object of ire. And your comment directly stated you didn't understand people's ire because you and by extension others could and should derive entertainment from his antics. And let's not pretend there aren't people who'd find it absolutely hilarious at me doing to you what I describe, no need for you to be famous or for you to have given them a reason to dislike you. You made no case about what Trump does or doesn't deserve only comments about how no one else should hate him because he's entertaining. Well, that means as long as people are entertained by me ruining your things you have no right to hate.

I just actually understand the impact he has and even if his actions don't always have an immediate direct impact on me like stubbing me toe can see the effects. But your derpy indifference is equally as stupid as many of Trump's antics. But the difference is you're less than a fart in the wind to 99.999999999% of this world. Trump's actions, unlike reality TV which I guess you didn't know is largely faked, will have real world consequences that last years even decades. There's plenty of reason to hate Trump and not find him the least bit funny or hate him and find his antics laughable.

Ok, ok. Ill tell everybody to stop making fun of rich people that get caught committing crimes. Im calling colbert right now

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Either way he was cruising into 2020 with his unmovable approval rating and got done in by a phone call. 4d chess at work there

His approval rating is still unmovable.

Because ~40% of Americans would vote for MechaHitler as long as he ran as a Republican, even if his campaign slogan was "TURBOCAUST ANNIHILATION. PURGE THE MEATSACKS."

They're never gonna change. If they can't be drowned out by responsible voters, then the USA is already into Idiocracy meltdown mode and it's not recoverable.

[Beefhammer]

Richard Nixon was a Democrat now?

Someone doesn't know history.

[Video Games]

His approval rating is still unmovable.

Because ~40% of Americans would vote for MechaHitler as long as he ran as a Republican, even if his campaign slogan was "TURBOCAUST ANNIHILATION. PURGE THE MEATSACKS."

They're never gonna change. If they can't be drowned out by responsible voters, then the USA is already into Idiocracy meltdown mode and it's not recoverable.

Its true. Did you hear him talk about toilets like 3 days ago? And they still want that? Lol

[omerome]

Its true. Did you hear him talk about toilets like 3 days ago? And they still want that? Lol

He can literally say whatever comes out of his mouth and his base would cheer at every word. Especially if it doesn't make sense. Why? Because they don't either.

[D3thray]

Its true. Did you hear him talk about toilets like 3 days ago? And they still want that? Lol

Depends on what the Dems put up. Seeing as the Russia boogeyman is still being used to tar non-preferred candidates I’m not holding my breath.

Articles of impeachment not based on a subjective reading of events was what I was hoping for; I’m disappointed but not surprised this isn’t what we got. Was so cringe reading that Schiff quote about the oath of office when the same subjective reading of events could apply directly to him. This kind of double speak by the status quo is exactly what I was so sick of in 2016.

[Video Games]

Depends on what the Dems put up. Seeing as the Russia boogeyman is still being used to tar non-preferred candidates I’m not holding my breath.

Articles of impeachment not based on a subjective reading of events was what I was hoping for; I’m disappointed but not surprised this isn’t what we got. Was so cringe reading that Schiff quote about the oath of office when the same subjective reading of events could apply directly to him. This kind of double speak by the status quo is exactly what I was so sick of in 2016.

I dont know what you mean by depends because the 3 front runners are better than when trump goes off script

[Belize]

The real question is would Trump have spoken in front of the house? Plus I think we can take his tweets as his response so there's no need for him to do so

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Oh fuck no.

[D3thray]

I dont know what you mean by depends because the 3 front runners are better than when trump goes off script

I mean post primary season once the Democratic candidate for office is decided. Trump is not objectively the worst possible candidate for office even if I don’t like his conduct and I don’t yet know who the opposition candidate will be.

[mvaliz]

His approval rating is still unmovable.

Because ~40% of Americans would vote for MechaHitler as long as he ran as a Republican, even if his campaign slogan was "TURBOCAUST ANNIHILATION. PURGE THE MEATSACKS."

They're never gonna change. If they can't be drowned out by responsible voters, then the USA is already into Idiocracy meltdown mode and it's not recoverable.

Decades ago, durring the Bush Jr years - I said similar about Republicans, but back then I said if it was Osama Bin Laden instead of Hitler.

[Video Games]

I mean post primary season once the Democratic candidate for office is decided. Trump is not objectively the worst possible candidate for office even if I don’t like his conduct and I don’t yet know who the opposition candidate will be.

I dont know how you can say that when duder got caught bribing a foreign nation for dirt on his opponents

[mvaliz]

Nixon resigned before he was impeached i believe it was andrew johnson that was impeached before clinton but my brain could be failing

Jesus feking Christ on a Cross.

Here's a clue to the order, one of them is still alive, has color photos of him, is still alive, didn't live in the 1800s, and is still alive.

[Crispin]

I mean post primary season once the Democratic candidate for office is decided. Trump is not objectively the worst possible candidate for office even if I don’t like his conduct and I don’t yet know who the opposition candidate will be.

Which democratic candidate is objectively worse?

Keep in mind that Trump is a proven racist, misogynist, extremely disrespectful against the military, supported a phedophile, paid a porn star hush money, scammed people with trump university, desserted the kurds who helped the US, is ruining the alliances the US has.... the list goes on.

Which dem candidate is worse? Keep in mind that I’m not adding that he’s a retarded asshole which he is, but merely pointing out objective facts.

[DarkTZeratul]

Jesus feking Christ on a Cross.

Here's a clue to the order, one of them is still alive, has color photos of him, is still alive, didn't live in the 1800s, and is still alive.

Take it down a few notches, there. Pretty sure he was unsure about it being Andrew Johnson, not about whether Bill Clinton was impeached first.

[mvaliz]

Which democratic candidate is objectively worse?

Keep in mind that Trump is a proven racist, misogynist, extremely disrespectful against the military, supported a phedophile, paid a porn star hush money, scammed people with trump university, desserted the kurds who helped the US, is ruining the alliances the US has.... the list goes on.

Which dem candidate is worse? Keep in mind that I’m not adding that he’s a retarded asshole which he is, but merely pointing out objective facts.

I honestly believed post-2008 that there couldn't be a worse President than George W. Bush.

I've since revised that and said the only benefit the Dumbass Dump regime could bring is that it would eliminate George W. Bush's reputation of being worst president by unimaginable leaps and bounds. >_<

I'm also making it a point for the next 20+ years that, whenever I engage in a political discussion with somebody - I will openly ask them if they supported Trump or not. Never would I ever consider doing that with any other president, even GWB... but he's such an unbelievably low bar - it's super easy to dismiss somebody's opinion now if they supported him.

[cubby]

I honestly believed post-2008 that there couldn't be a worse President than George W. Bush.

I've since revised that and said the only benefit the Dumbass Dump regime could bring is that it would eliminate George W. Bush's reputation of being worst president by unimaginable leaps and bounds. >_<

I'm also making it a point for the next 20+ years that, whenever I engage in a political discussion with somebody - I will openly ask them if they supported Trump or not. Never would I ever consider doing that with any other president, even GWB... but he's such an unbelievably low bar - it's super easy to dismiss somebody's opinion now if they supported him.

I could not agree more - these impeachment proceedings have just made it abundantly clear that Trump is the worst security threat to the United States we've seen in at least a century.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Nixon resigned before he was impeached i believe it was andrew johnson that was impeached before clinton but my brain could be failing

BAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA WHAT? Thanks for the good laugh.

[Kryctos]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA WHAT? Thanks for the good laugh.

Whats so funny ? Is that i dont recall 19 century american history off the top of my head.
Because i was merely responding to someone asking if nixon was a democrat and i correctly pointed out that Nixon is not counted among the 2 presidents that have been successfuly impeached