Mega-Thread: Impeachment Proceedings & Inquiry of Trump

[DocSavageFan]

You're an idiot, read the report. Mueller goes over why he can't just say Trump is guilty, it's entirely to do with scope. He is limited in what he can declare hence the not not guilty conclusion.

$32mm and 2.5 years of investigation and Mueller could find no evidence that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities. That's the facts...."idiot".

From the Mueller report:
"Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

[bladeXcrasher]

Conspiracy and collusion aren't interchangeable terms. Conspiracy is a legal term, collusion is just some nebulous term with no legal bearing, trump and his cohorts were never going to be held to collusion, it was always going to be criminal conspiracy. Seriously we are still having this conversation a year later?

[DocSavageFan]

Conspiracy and collusion aren't interchangeable terms. Conspiracy is a legal term, collusion is just some nebulous term with no legal bearing, trump and his cohorts were never going to be held to collusion, it was always going to be criminal conspiracy. Seriously we are still having this conversation a year later?

Unfortunately we must....some people here actually still believe that Trump conspired with Russia despite zero evidence produced in an exhaustive 2.5 year investigation.

[Noxx79]

Unfortunately we must....some people here actually still believe that Trump conspired with Russia despite zero evidence produced in an exhaustive 2.5 year investigation.

You didn’t read the mueller report, liar, troll.

[Edge-]

Please explain why it's okay for adam schiff to take over impeachment from the judiciary and not allow witnesses Republicans want,

Because that's not how impeachment works, and especially in the House, it's not a judicial process.

We really need to do a better job of teaching folks civics in highschool. The Judiciary oversees the Senate trial, but it's a wholly political, not legal (as in falls under the courts purview), process.

a coverup as Pelosi calls it for McConnell to not allow witnesses that democrats want?

Because Democrats want relevant witnesses. Republicans want to call Hunter Biden, who is not a relevant witness and if there's credible allegations of wrongdoing they should be investigated and handled by the Justice Department. That would be the appropriate venue for these complaints, not this impeachment hearing.

But there's no case, which is why Trump never took action and why there's still no movement from the DoJ against Hunter Biden. It's the laziest of low effort strawmen.

Seriously, go back and take a civics refresher, dude.

[bladeXcrasher]

Unfortunately we must....some people here actually still believe that Trump conspired with Russia despite zero evidence produced in an exhaustive 2.5 year investigation.

I think you misunderstood, I'm talking about you, just to be clear.

[Jotaux]

$32mm and 2.5 years of investigation and Mueller could find no evidence that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities. That's the facts...."idiot".

From the Mueller report:
"Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Thats from Barr's summary which was thoroughly discredited by Mueller as being misleading. Read the actual report. Look at the facts it lays out. I guess it should not surprise me you are so adverse to reading...

[Edge-]

Thats from Barr's summary which was thoroughly discredited by Mueller as being misleading. Read the actual report. Look at the facts it lays out. I guess it should not surprise me you are so adverse to reading...

No, that's from the Mueller report. Barr snipped it down to just the last bit to remove the context of how the campaign knew they were benefiting from Russian interference and how they worked to help secure that outcome.

In context, that's not exactly the "TOTAL EXONERATION" that team Trump continues to claim it to be. Especially since some folks weren't interviewed like Trump, who refused to sit down for an interview.

[Cleanyourhouse]

Unfortunately we must....some people here actually still believe that Trump conspired with Russia despite zero evidence produced in an exhaustive 2.5 year investigation.

Mods, at what point do you finally perma ban these people. Flat out lying and derailing threads should be worth an infraction no? Or can I go in the sports forum and post threads about how the Browns have won 15 Super bowls in a row? Then call other people liars who disagree with me under the guise of "sports opinion"? Facts should matter. Do your job please.

[DocSavageFan]

Thats from Barr's summary which was thoroughly discredited by Mueller as being misleading. Read the actual report. Look at the facts it lays out. I guess it should not surprise me you are so adverse to reading...

Now you going to make up shit and ascribe those words to Barr because you can't handle what Mueller actually said in his report?

I quoted Mueller's report and specifically stated so...so I guess it should not surprise me you are so adverse to reading.

[Orange Joe]

Mods, at what point do you finally perma ban these people. Flat out lying and derailing threads should be worth an infraction no? Or can I go in the sports forum and post threads about how the Browns have won 15 Super bowls in a row? Then call other people liars who disagree with me under the guise of "sports opinion"? Facts should matter. Do your job please.

Sadly. no.... even though it should very clearly fall under trolling. A blue mod has told me that lies are not infractable.


insulting people is infractable though. Feel free to report the post below me.

[DocSavageFan]

Mods, at what point do you finally perma ban these people. Flat out lying and derailing threads should be worth an infraction no? Or can I go in the sports forum and post threads about how the Browns have won 15 Super bowls in a row? Then call other people liars who disagree with me under the guise of "sports opinion"? Facts should matter. Do your job please.

If you have evidence that Trump actually conspired with Russia...please do share and stop complaining like a little baby that your bubble is being threatened. Facts matter.

I'm done.

[zealo]

If you have evidence that Trump actually conspired with Russia...please do share and stop complaining like a little baby that your bubble is being threatened.

Go read the report, it is in there.

It's not our fault if you are too lazy to inform yourself properly.

[DocSavageFan]

Go read the report, it is in there.

It's not our fault if you are too lazy to inform yourself properly.

Sure it is...just keep telling yourself that.

Have you ever wondered why there is no article of impeachment regarding this "conspiracy"? Think about it.

[unfilteredJW]

If you have evidence that Trump actually conspired with Russia...please do share and stop complaining like a little baby that your bubble is being threatened. Facts matter.

I'm done.

If only you were.

[Bodakane]

I wasn't too excited about McConnell refusing to hear Obama's supreme court picks in a timely manner either.

I feel like I asked a very specific question and have yet to get an actual answer to that actual question.

[Fugus]

"Not not guilty"? Holy shit. The mental gyrations necessary to rationalize such low resolution thinking is astounding! $32mm and 2.5 years of investigation found no evidence of Trump/Russia conspiracy or collusion...yet you sit there with spewing pseudologic. Yes, you can't prove unicorns don't exist either.

What you believe to be fact is, in reality, pure delusion. Wake up ffs.

Russell's teapot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

Well, TexasRules.

Mueller spent 2 pages explaining why he did that. I think it was around page 214 or so. And the investigation MADE money.

[mvaliz]

Just ask the T-Word if he believes Hillary had nothing to do with Benghazi despite zero evidence, then report his t-wording ass and move on.

[Martymark]

I feel like I asked a very specific question and have yet to get an actual answer to that actual question.

Then sadly, I guess I'm not qualified to answer it, as I'm not a "trump superfan who is buttrustled about Dems refusing to actually impeach".

I find the entire impeachment circus quite amusing, and Pelosi pointlessly dragging it out into infinity and beyond one of the most entertaining parts. It's so nakedly partisan that I can't help but cheer for her, like the Democrat congressmen were cheering when she announced the vote had passed.

[Noxx79]

Sure it is...just keep telling yourself that.

Have you ever wondered why there is no article of impeachment regarding this "conspiracy"? Think about it.

Why won’t trump allow witnesses? Think about it, troll.