As much as I overall hate the boring originality argument it is still ultimately important to understand that certain words like liberty weren't used/didn't mean exactly the same thing they do today. High crimes in this context is one of them.
You and most others it appear are using the wrong definition of "high crime". A "high crime" is not something like super treason or mega murder which or extreme espionage which seems to be the go to for what people think it is. It specifically refers to crimes such as an abuse of office for personal gain particularly in a way that a normal person could not. It also includes severe violations of the public trust in how we expect an office to be faithfully carried out and there is absolutely no requirement that impeachable conduct under the "high crimes and misdemeanors standard" be an on the book crime like murder. It can also be grave/terrible conduct unfitting the office or a form of corruption that while not explicitly illegal give the public office holder a benefit that they are not owed soley because of their position.
And there are very many actions that even if they're not technically crimes such as Trump hiding his transcripts on a secret server where they aren't normally stored like other diplomatic communications of the same to keep people from accessing them not for national security reason but for personal political reasons that may not be explicitly breaking any law but are definitely a "high crime and misdemeanor" because he's abusing his office and his ability to classify/declassify information not for the public good as he was sworn to act but for his own personal benefit.
We ripped our system from the British for impeachment and they've always left impeachment deliberately open ended because you never knew how an abuse power could take place and relying on criminal statues was deemed a bad idea. In fact a huge chunk of the people the British Parliament impeached were for misconduct that technically wasn't criminal at all but it was a violation of the public trust by misusing their power. One man Attorney General Henry Yelvertorn was impeached basically because he was so bad at his job Parliament couldn't take it anymore.
“Logic: The art of thinking and reasoning in strict accordance with the limitations and incapacities of the human misunderstanding.”
"Conservative, n: A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal who wishes to replace them with others."
Ambrose Bierce
The Bird of Hermes Is My Name, Eating My Wings To Make Me Tame.
https://www.courant.com/politics/hc-...hey-story.html
Wait wait wait... Republican House Rep. Robert F. Hyde of Connecticut was the one behind what appears to be actual spying on a US ambassador and appears to have openly discussed bribing nearby businesses? So it was Hyde, directing Parnas and company to legitimately spy on Yavanovitch?
If this is true, this is one of the biggest cases of projection I've seen in a while, and should lead to his immediate removal from office until the next election.
Now I'm far more curious about what else Parnas has shared, because this is damning already.
As others have noticed; the above explanation is really incorrect, since all "high crimes" means is "any abuse of the powers of the office". That could be as simple as getting a lobbyist's son to mow your lawn for free in exchange for extra consideration; that's totally 100% legal, but it's an abuse of the powers of the office, and thus impeachable (even if unlikely to be seen as serious enough to warrant removal, based on that alone).
"When Facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." - Unknown
Looks more like an assasination plot to me especially talking about how the people they are hiring would need to make contact with security forces.
“If you want her out they need to make contact with security forces.”
Parnas does not respond at length to Hyde.
“Interesting,” he writes after one series of messages. “Perfect,” he responds when Hyde informs him that “they’ll let me know when she’s on the move.”
“Lol,” is Parnas’ response to Hyde’s message that “you can do anything in the Ukraine with money.”
It seems worse than that, it seems like they were trying to assassinate her...
“They are willing to help if we/you would like a price”
“Guess you can do anything in the Ukraine with money... what I was told”
Then after that she got more security...
Bah you beat me to it.
Now all that remains to be seen is how much of this shit was directly overseen by Trump or if it's another instance of him 'just happening' to be working closely with a bunch of morally abhorrent shitheels.
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploa...attachment.pdf
Btw linked above is the evidence with the messages starting on pg14
Stealing exchange from reddit below:
Directly transcribed from the texts:
Robert F. Hyde: Fuck that bitch
Parnas: [links multiple articles]
Robert F. Hyde: Wow. Can’t believe Trumo [sic] hasn’t fired this bitch. I’ll get right in that.
Robert F. Hyde: [Links multiple articles/pictures]
Robert F. Hyde: She under heavy protection outside Kiev
Parnas: I know crazy shit
Robert F. Hyde: My guy thinks maybe FSB..?
Parnas: [Links articles]
Robert F. Hyde: [Links picture]
Parnas: Interesting
Robert F. Hyde: [Links to article]: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ne...d-of-the-world
Robert F. Hyde: What should I do with this?
Robert F. Hyde: They are moving her tomorrow
Robert F. Hyde: The guys over they asked what I would like to do and what is in it for them
Robert F. Hyde: Wake up Yankees man
Robert F. Hyde: She's talked to three people. Her phone is off. Computer is off.
Robert F. Hyde: She's next to the embassy
Robert F. Hyde: Not in the embassy
Robert F. Hyde: Private security. Been there since Thursday.
Parnas: Interesting
Robert F. Hyde: They know she's a political puppet
Robert F. Hyde: They will let me know when she's on the move
Robert F. Hyde: And they will let me know when she's on the move
Parnas: Perfect
Robert F. Hyde: I mean where if they can find out.
Robert F. Hyde: That adress I sent you checks out
Robert F. Hyde: It's next to the embassy
Robert F. Hyde: They are willing to help if we/you would like a price
Robert F. Hyde: Guess you can do anything in the Ukraine with money... what I was told
Parnas: Lol
Robert F. Hyde: Update she will not be moved special security unit upgraded force on the compound people are already aware of the situation my contacts are asking what is the next step because cannot keep going to check people will start to ask questions
Robert F. Hyde: If you want her out they need to make contact with security forces
Robert F. Hyde: From Ukranians
Robert F. Hyde: What's the word bro
Robert F. Hyde: Any good stuff?
Parnas: Call you soon in studio
Robert F. Hyde: Let's go Holmes
Robert F. Hyde: RG was good. But Ingraham had some hard questions
Robert F. Hyde: Nothing has changed she is still not moving they check today again
Robert F. Hyde: Hi buddy
Robert F. Hyde: It's confirmed we have a person inside
Parnas: [Links youtube video]: "Trumps takedown of FBI (Winning montage!)"
Robert F. Hyde: Nice
Robert F. Hyde: Hey brother do we stand down??? Or you still need intel be safe
Robert F. Hyde: She had visitors
Robert F. Hyde: It's confirmed we have a person inside
Robert F. Hyde: Hey broski tell me what we are doing what's the next step
Last edited by noidentity; 2020-01-15 at 04:27 AM.
What the literal fuck is this text exchange.
Like, wow. At best........AT THE VERY BEST..........a private citizen is coordinating with foreign nationals, to spy on the movements of AN AMERICAN AMBASSADOR to a "hotzone" country, at the behest of Rudy Giuliani, THE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Like, this is Tom Clancy levels of what the fuck is going on here.