There's a line at the end of the series Person of interest where one of the characters goes on a speech about principles in a fight and the other character retorts well we will be the world's most principled corpses. That is what I see whenever democrats take the "high road", to beat these people you have to do whatever it takes to win.
So what? She takes pictures with all her biggest fans. That doesn't mean anything! She has fans everywhere! She's like Elizabeth Warren!
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I swear, Republicans seem to have the worst memories, dating back to Bush Jr's AG Alberto Gonzales (and probably way earlier) -
I mean, it would be some combination of disastrous and farcical (disastrical) to let them muddy the waters by having either Biden testify, or Adam Schiff or whoever populates Nunes' / Trump's / Graham's wet fever Democrat-hate dreams at the moment.
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Preach. Here's the final paragraph of that article:
"I don’t think we can restore order by respecting rules that are not respected by Republicans. I do believe we’ll have to find a way to end this procedural war at some point, but now is not that time. Republicans need to know what it’s like to be on the other end of normative violations. The Republicans are behaving like a party that believes it will never be held accountable for anything they’re doing, and so far they haven’t been."
Oh, I know they would go into them hardcore screaming and grandstanding at every opportunity. But to everyone watching, it would backfire on them spectacularly if they did what I suggest.
They ask about the server. Debunked Russians Conspiracy theory and ask why they are repeating it.
They ask about the prosecutor. Already been investigated and cleared, repeating a debunked conspiracy theory and ask why they are repeating it.
They ask about stuff relevant to the case. There is no way they could honestly know themselves so every response is a rehearsed, "I was not involved with Trump, his people, his withholding of aid to the Ukraine, nor his attempts to extort them so how could I possibly know any of that? I factually have nothing to do with the subject matter of this case and I believe I was only called to be used as a Republican scapegoat to try and turn this into a circus".
If they ask about irrelevant stuff, Answer with "How is that relevant to this?"
If they just sit and grandstand, let them do the whole thing and as soon as that persons time is up, reply to point out that not once their entire time did they ask me a question or refute any evidence and if they repeated conspiracy theories, also point out they are repeating them and ask why they are repeating debunked conspiracy theories.
Don't have to ignore the subpoena, don't have to filibuster, just reply to everything they got with them answers and make it torture for them to ask them anything because the reply always calls them out and points out what they are doing.
Edit: This approach also denies them their soundbites they try and get them in.
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Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
"mmo-champion.com##li.postbitignored"
to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.
Man, for nobody knowing who the heck Lev Parnas is, he sure finds a way to make it into a lot of photo-ops with Trump's inner circle!
Anybody can walk into the White House and get a photo with the president, high level staffers, and a tour. And anyone can get formal invitations to White House meals. This is a nothingberder, who is that guy even?!
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What kills me is that people actually fucking believe these dishonest fucksticks.
My favorite part of the "I don't even know the guy" is the parade of pictures of various GOP people with the guy.
Agreed. I still don't see the Senate doing anything about it. They seem to be doubling down on ignorance/stupidity/blind-loyalty.
Can the House and Senate form a Joint Committee on their own without passing some kind of law? I can't imagine it takes more than agreement between the leadership. I'm (hopefully) thinking ahead to mid-2021 after the White House and Senate are under Democratic (more than just the party, if you get my meaning) control. The best choice for the Truth and Reconcilliation Committee will be a Joint Committee, with an appointed Special Prosecutor to run the show.
Looks like Ukraine's going to open that investigation Trump wanted.
Oh wait, never mind, they're investigating Trump's lackeys.
I agree overall - and I love the quote from someone else about the most well principled corpses. I've advocated for the Democrats to take the gloves off and stop playing by rules the GOP doesn't even recognize.
However, in this case, ignoring a subpoena that's backed by SCOTUS just isn't a good idea at all. I'm not sure even the GOP would do it.
We can part ways on this one. I get where you're coming from, sincerely, but Hunter Biden having to testify would be an absolute travesty of justice. One more quote from that article:
"We’re in the midst of a slow-motion unraveling of democracy in this country. If we don’t return the favor with some of this procedural war stuff, the only other option is to continue watching the other side do it. That’s not an acceptable option in my opinion."
We're a bit ahead of ourselves here anyway, but in the context of Rand Paul threatening Republicans who would dare vote to call witnesses, which in theory I'm all for (by all means, make them take hard votes that make them more vulnerable), it may be all that's needed to nix any willingness to call witnesses at all, as intended.
Ken Starr (Ken Starr) joins Trump's defense: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/d...eachment-trial
"Dershowitz, Starr Expected To Defend Trump In Impeachment Trial"
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Well hopefully they pick a single one soon, before they're gerrymandered / Supreme Courted / voter suppressed right out of any position of power to fight anything from.
Ive been thinking about something. If witnesses are made available and the republicans get the names they want. Could they not then convict but not remove if there was corruption by Biden to save face as yes he did something wrong but then turn around and say no removal because he did it for the good of the country?