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    wrong quote

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaunika123 View Post
    probably way faster than someone who's next upgrade is from MC
    Splitting hairs right here? So, i guess, as a mage or warlock you won't be needing on any chest pieces, because your bis item is crafted piece?
    And if you are familiar with wow and its RNG - chances are that you won't get next upgrade that fast as you think.

    Quote Originally Posted by shaunika123 View Post
    this is basically the "hunter weapon" equivalent for healers, just because you can use it, doesnt mean you should.
    You sound like you aren't playing a healer neither you play with one, because priests will gladly take that +spd gear for their world experience to be tolerable. So, no, it's not "hunter weapon" (you also sound like you don't even understand how "hunter weapon" is a thing)

    Quote Originally Posted by shaunika123 View Post
    the only reason it is an upgrade for you, is because you're already wearing suboptimal gear
    that's your responsibility, not the dps's
    "the problem is you're coming off retail where everything is either "good and an upgrade" or "totally useless""
    Damn, suboptimal gear. People wear whatever drops for them, some warriors still run around in scarlet pants at level 60, you know?

    Quote Originally Posted by shaunika123 View Post
    Smells like
    dps loot is for dps
    heal loot is for healers
    Classic itemization doesn't work like this.

    Quote Originally Posted by shaunika123 View Post
    any green "of healing" item has more healing on it than any prebis caster dmg items.
    so yeah, it's you being an ass.
    also any "of healing" item has 0 spell damage, or any int or spirit on it. You shouldn't be talking about "prebis" and blaming other people for coming off retail.
    I mean, you really are going to do BRD repeatedly to get your bis shoulders with frost damage, while still wearing these quest shoulders from RFD? And passing on any SPD shoulders while doing that, because your bis is THAT one from BRD? Then you'd complain about a priest taking SPD shoulders from scholo? Nah man, you wouldn't do that, anyone in their right mind wouldn't do that in pugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaunika123 View Post
    probably way faster than someone who's next upgrade is from MC
    So you can only run the dungeon one time and then you can never run it again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaunika123 View Post
    rip basic human decency and logic I guess...

    the problem is you're coming off retail where everything is either "good and an upgrade"
    or "totally useless"

    classic itemization isnt like that.

    just because it also boosts healing, doesnt mean its a healer item.

    it'd be like a mage/warlock taking an item with a lot of +healing because "hey it also gives int and I havent upgraded since WC so it's an upgrade for me"
    imagine if that happened to you as a healer, I'm sure you'd go "well that's his perogative"
    I havent played retail since Legion.

    Problem is you dont know how gearing in Classic work. At all.

    I would love to see you in a group doing Strat with a Warrior and a Rogue in the same group. You would prob get a stroke because you see the warrior forced to tank need on the leather mask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    If you are willing to try to make other players to blacklist a healer who rolled on SPD gear, because he didn't have a better piece, good luck with that.
    I think you are quoting the wrong person here.
    Last edited by Annelie; 2019-09-28 at 08:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by horbindr View Post
    isn't that where the supposed "your reputation on your server is important in classic" part comes in?
    Because that ever mattered to begin with

    The weirdest thing in classic is the unrealistic belief that "server reputation" ever amounted to anything more than piss in a bucket. Even back in the day when vanilla was live. People cheated and ninjad and ganked/camped and there never was some big 'social Justice' mob to shun the person from society or whatever weird consequences they think happened.

    The truth is some mad nerd made a forum post, people bitched for a week at most, then the whole server forgot the name of the culprit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    Splitting hairs right here? So, i guess, as a mage or warlock you won't be needing on any chest pieces, because your bis item is crafted piece?
    And if you are familiar with wow and its RNG - chances are that you won't get next upgrade that fast as you think.
    I mean, if you're a tailor you certainly shouldnt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    You sound like you aren't playing a healer neither you play with one, because priests will gladly take that +spd gear for their world experience to be tolerable. So, no, it's not "hunter weapon" (you also sound like you don't even understand how "hunter weapon" is a thing)
    that's pmuch what an offspec roll is, and it has never ever trumped mainspec role. or in this case "off role roll" since you cant change specs, but healers dont need +dmg for raids/dungeons outdoor gear doesnt trump indoor gear. I know why hunter weapon is a thing. doesnt mean it was ever okay for them to take it from melees, just like it isnt okay from melees to take ranged weapons from hunters (with a few exceptions vica versa)



    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    "the problem is you're coming off retail where everything is either "good and an upgrade" or "totally useless""
    Damn, suboptimal gear. People wear whatever drops for them, some warriors still run around in scarlet pants at level 60, you know?
    that's certainly true, but again, you shouldnt take something that's barely an upgrade and will toss in a day or two, from someone who would keep it for months, that's just being selfish.

    again, if I had a really shitty item that had no spell dmg on it as a mage/lock and only a little intellect, then a +healing item with intellect on it would be a defacto upgrade, would you be okay with me needing that from a healer?

    hell, right now I'm running around with a carrot on a stick and an argent dawn commission as trinkets, should I roll on Second Wind because technically it's an upgrade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    Classic itemization doesn't work like this.
    it does, at least in the "who should get priority" sense.

    should fury warriors roll away shields from prot warriors?
    should resto shamans roll away clearly tank shields from tanks because their own is shit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    also any "of healing" item has 0 spell damage, or any int or spirit on it. You shouldn't be talking about "prebis" and blaming other people for coming off retail.
    I mean, you really are going to do BRD repeatedly to get your bis shoulders with frost damage, while still wearing these quest shoulders from RFD? And passing on any SPD shoulders while doing that, because your bis is THAT one from BRD? Then you'd complain about a priest taking SPD shoulders from scholo? Nah man, you wouldn't do that, anyone in their right mind wouldn't do that in pugs.
    you dont necessarily need int/spirit on every piece of gear, you'll get plenty. if you just stack +healing you can downrank your healspells accordingly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Annelie View Post
    I would love to see you in a group doing Strat with a Warrior and a Rogue in the same group. You would prob get a stroke because you see the warrior forced to tank need on the leather mask.
    uhm, no because that's actually an optimal item for a warrior

    unlike +spell dmg gear that has half the value of a +healing item for the same slot.

    I dont think you get the argument.

    warriors do in fact have bis items that arent plate.
    healers dont have bis items that have +spell dmg instead of +healing on it (except for briarwood reed and omnicast boots, but those are obvious exceptions and not the rule)
    Last edited by shaunika123; 2019-09-28 at 08:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakana View Post
    Not starting this thread as a topic to actual discuss or insulting classic in anyway, but instead, to give you some entertainment watching it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuVtBya3eMM

    Have fun!
    Thanks for sharing. Amazed at the uselessness of some talents so deep in the tree. (I only mained a warlock and later in Classic levelled a shadowpriest, but yeah...that Master Conjuror Talent...omg. Was wondering at first why CoE was in there, because it was indeed very useful in pvp)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cidzor View Post
    The fact that the vendor price for a gold bar is 6 silver.

    Like.....what is this? Pawn Stars?
    Haha, good one - but I guess it is not exclusive to Classic, but still is the price today?

    Quote Originally Posted by horbindr View Post
    isn't that where the supposed "your reputation on your server is important in classic" part comes in?
    ....if you held a gun to my head, in 2005 / 2006 I would have know the reputation of 2 people from Alliance, because they had a notoriously good pvp group and maybe 5 guys outside my own raiding guild on Horde side.

    But maybe on other servers somebody kept track of the reputation that all 5000 or so other guys had ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaunika123 View Post

    uhm, no because that's actually an optimal item for a warrior

    unlike +spell dmg gear that has half the value of a +healing item for the same slot.

    I dont think you get the argument.

    warriors do in fact have bis items that arent plate.
    healers dont have bis items that have +spell dmg instead of +healing on it (except for briarwood reed and omnicast boots, but those are obvious exceptions and not the rule)
    I get the argument, but you dont seem to understand that you got more chances than just one durng the life of vanilla to get your "BiS" from a dungeon. An upgrade is an upgrade is an upgrade. Playing a Mage i have seen Druid and Paladin healers taking cloth items that where not optimal all the time, i dont bitch about it because that is how it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Because that ever mattered to begin with

    The weirdest thing in classic is the unrealistic belief that "server reputation" ever amounted to anything more than piss in a bucket. Even back in the day when vanilla was live. People cheated and ninjad and ganked/camped and there never was some big 'social Justice' mob to shun the person from society or whatever weird consequences they think happened.

    The truth is some mad nerd made a forum post, people bitched for a week at most, then the whole server forgot the name of the culprit.
    Speaking from experience, I sign this. We had an absolute DICK of a priest in our group who got away with shit because..well..healer shortage. Until he took his arrogance too far and was kicked from the guild. Didn't take him long to pop up in another guild and raid...

    Yeah...anecdotal evidence and all....reputation and standing extended (as I said above) to my guild. And it did stick with some nice / good players after they quit / rejoined or changed guild for whatever reasons. Some of them I still meet today and we exchange a greeting, but I wouldn't know what they do today or how much the real person behind the avatar has changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annelie View Post
    I get the argument, but you dont seem to understand that you got more chances than just one durng the life of vanilla to get your "BiS" from a dungeon. An upgrade is an upgrade is an upgrade. Playing a Mage i have seen Druid and Paladin healers taking cloth items that where not optimal all the time, i dont bitch about it because that is how it is.
    tell that to my 60 arena runs that yielded a grand total of one belt, and the healer decided that they needed spellhit because they kept missing heals :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaunika123 View Post
    tell that to my 60 arena runs that yielded a grand total of one belt, and the healer decided that they needed spellhit because they kept missing heals :P
    Do 60 more. You have all the time in the world to do it.

    I ran Strat living over 100 times in vanilla to get the ALchemy recipie, never got it. But that is just how it is. You do it again, and again, and...

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    Quote Originally Posted by horbindr View Post
    isn't that where the supposed "your reputation on your server is important in classic" part comes in?
    Basically this, I’ve passed many items that would be upgrades for me as a holy paladin to caster dpsers because for them it’s better. As a result I’ve been asked to join their groups again, good behavior and being generous goes around like karma.
    On the flipside there are mane tanks and dpsers I don’t group with because they’re greedy, rude and selfish. Doesn’t matter how good they are, if you’re a douche it’ll come back to bite you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cidzor View Post
    The fact that the vendor price for a gold bar is 6 silver.

    Like.....what is this? Pawn Stars?
    Get your first silver bar - vendors for 1 silver. Makes sense

    Get your first gold bar, oooh boy we're gonna be rich! _ errr.............
    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Damnit hubcap, you are such a retard.
    Quote Originally Posted by mojusk View Post
    Oh, and stop being a "didn't do that in vanilla"-police. If we're doing something now that we didnt do back then, it's not because we had some sorta unwritten moral code back then, it's because we hadn't thought of it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annelie View Post
    I get the argument, but you dont seem to understand that you got more chances than just one durng the life of vanilla to get your "BiS" from a dungeon. An upgrade is an upgrade is an upgrade. Playing a Mage i have seen Druid and Paladin healers taking cloth items that where not optimal all the time, i dont bitch about it because that is how it is.
    ...and would you want to group with them again? There are greens "of healing" that are better than spell damage gear for pre-raid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurwi View Post
    Why wouldn't they? They are the ones who've gone to horrid grind to level up their lockpicking to be able to pick that chest. Not your self entitled ass.
    Blacksmiths have keys, engineers have seaforium charges to open locks. And if the group didn't carry the rogues sorry ass to that chest he wouldn't even be in a position to potentially open that chest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggroll View Post
    Blacksmiths have keys, engineers have seaforium charges to open locks. And if the group didn't carry the rogues sorry ass to that chest he wouldn't even be in a position to potentially open that chest.
    at the end of the day, the group holds no power though. people who can open a box can just refuse (or more likely: not say they have a key, say they haven't leveled lockpick yet, etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatgunn View Post
    I mean, if the rogue wasn't there you wouldn't get the chests at all so I'd say its fair to let them have first pick of the contents.
    If I wasn’t there tanking he wouldn’t have a chest to lockpick, so by your logic I think I should get first pick of the contents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurwi View Post
    Why wouldn't they? They are the ones who've gone to horrid grind to level up their lockpicking to be able to pick that chest. Not your self entitled ass.
    Well this has just never been a thing until now, I do think it’s a load of horse shit and don’t understand. So guess you think if there’s a blacksmith in the group he gets preference over a rogue because he has to use mats AND level his blacksmithing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaunika123 View Post
    tell that to my 60 arena runs that yielded a grand total of one belt, and the healer decided that they needed spellhit because they kept missing heals :P
    The belt that shouldn't even be in the game until phase 5 but Blizzard are more lazy than a bunch of bedroom developers? Count yourself lucky it exists I guess.
    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Damnit hubcap, you are such a retard.
    Quote Originally Posted by mojusk View Post
    Oh, and stop being a "didn't do that in vanilla"-police. If we're doing something now that we didnt do back then, it's not because we had some sorta unwritten moral code back then, it's because we hadn't thought of it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaunika123 View Post
    it's like taking a ranged weapon from a hunter as a rogue or warrior
    Actually thats called payback
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