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    Quote Originally Posted by Fargus View Post
    Demanding things from people when you haven't even finished high school is not a particularly good way to incite change
    "Demanding things". Pathetic.

    You're saying that as if she's asking for free tuition and not...you know...being able to continue to live in a stable society and a hospitable climate. What you are doing here is nothing more than tone policing.
    This website is not a place of honor. No highly esteemed deed is commemorated here. Nothing valued is here. What is here is dangerous and repulsive to us. The danger is in a particular location. The danger is still present in your time as it was in ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    According to this article, that is far short of the time it will last....https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...deposits-last/

    According to the NEA, identified uranium resources total 5.5 million metric tons, and an additional 10.5 million metric tons remain undiscovered—a roughly 230-year supply at today's consumption rate in total. Further exploration and improvements in extraction technology are likely to at least double this estimate over time.

    Two technologies could greatly extend the uranium supply itself. Neither is economical now, but both could be in the future if the price of uranium increases substantially. First, the extraction of uranium from seawater would make available 4.5 billion metric tons of uranium—a 60,000-year supply at present rates. Second, fuel-recycling fast-breeder reactors, which generate more fuel than they consume, would use less than 1 percent of the uranium needed for current LWRs. Breeder reactors could match today's nuclear output for 30,000 years using only the NEA-estimated supplies.
    I mean.. "scientists" also thought we would be out of oil long by the year 2000.

    https://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/weve...-ce-1668986354

    Even if Uranium got us through the next 100 years, that gives 100 years more to find better sources.

  3. #183
    This thread would be better titled :

    "Watch UN Puppeteers, Random and Sundry Carbon Credit Traders (TRAITORS) / Investors, And Complicit Psuedo Scientists (more accurately Science Fictionalists) traumatize Greta Thunberg and our worlds children into believing in an imminent apocalypse, while the INFORMED and DISCERNING MASSES who TRULY care about the welfare of this CLEARLY ABUSED LITTLE GIRL", attempt to reverse the DAMAGE DONE BY PROFITEERING POWER CRAZED CRIMINALS!

    Do the math. Jail the MISINFORMATION criminals. Remain FREE MEN AND WOMEN!

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    The reality of Greta being used as an actress / pawn in order to invoke emotional responses as opposed to rational responses is clear in the following interview where she had no criminal George Sorros funded script to read from... Deal with this reality folks...

    youtube.com/watch?v=0bwLt_5t73g

  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Corruption 101 View Post
    This thread would be better titled :

    "Watch UN Puppeteers, Random and Sundry Carbon Credit Traders (TRAITORS) / Investors, And Complicit Psuedo Scientists (more accurately Science Fictionalists) traumatize Greta Thunberg and our worlds children into believing in an imminent apocalypse, while the INFORMED and DISCERNING MASSES who TRULY care about the welfare of this CLEARLY ABUSED LITTLE GIRL", attempt to reverse the DAMAGE DONE BY PROFITEERING POWER CRAZED CRIMINALS!

    Do the math. Jail the MISINFORMATION criminals. Remain FREE MEN AND WOMEN!

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    The reality of Greta being used as an actress / pawn in order to invoke emotional responses as opposed to rational responses is clear in the following interview where she had no criminal George Sorros funded script to read from... Deal with this reality folks...

    youtube.com/watch?v=0bwLt_5t73g
    What the actual fuck are you talking about? Are you Trump's twitter feed come to life? Full of conspiracy theories and bullshit buzzwords?

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    lol.. Nah... Im not a conspiracy theorist cuz I stopped watching mainstream media years ago. Now I do the math myself instead of being force fed the lies and conspiracy theories by the criminals pulling the strings ..like "The Insane" allow...lol

    Albert Einstein said this:

    "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."

    This beautiful young girl has a condition called "aspurgers syndrome". It is characterized by "having an obsessive focus on one topic". Her self proclaimed activist parents and other agendized / manipulative adults have "wound her up" on this "climate apocalypse topic". Those "authorities" in her life have capitalized on her condition, innocence, and respect for them.

    ....hence... out of human empathy, our worlds population is now being "shamed" and deceived into same obsession with an apocalyptic delusion created by criminals, and amplified by a sweet girls conditional obsession.

    There is a special place in Hell for her puppetmasters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    Only fools listen to a child who knows absolutely nothing as far as solutions for climate change.
    This.

    Basically some adults with interests are hiding behind some sheltered kid to make people go "awwww".

    If you want to listen to real talk by a guy who knows a thing or two and does not hide behind children - it is here: Professor Hans Rosling - Magic Washing Machine. Professor Hans Rosling is also from Sweden, if it helps. I think it's a thing.

    He is all for environment, but does not live in a dreamland. People touting environment are all high and mighty, but then they take their keys, get into their cars, drive to their well lit houses filled with appliances made out of plastics that gob electricity by the truckloads and think they are some environment saints trying to dictate to others how to be eco-friendly.

    It's good to care about environment, we have to be conscious, but the way to do it is to develop cheap technologies that allow effective use of renewable energy, while at the same time making our appliances, that nobody is going to give up btw, much more environment-friendly. Not by telling people from emerging economies to not frikkin' warm themselves in winter.


    The real solution is doubling down on developing these green energy means to the point where they are truly competing with the 'ole burning corpse juice for power even for countries that don't have a buck to their name. Right now we're not there yet.


    "Until they (the likes of Greta "Silverspoon") have the same energy consumption per person (as less fortunate souls) they shouldn't give advice to others on what to do and what not to do." - Professor Rosling.
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    Exactly!

    Did you know that the yacht Greta sailed over the ocean on, consumed 3x the carbon necessary by getting it flown back? Typical smoke and mirrors...

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    I can tell that you are a liberal due to your "tolerance", insults and cussing.

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    AND the insanity of all this climate hysteria is that CARBON DIOXIDE FEEDS THE PLANTS THAT CREATE AND FILTER THE AIR WE BREATHE!

    Orbitus, with all due respect my friend...Please take the time and make the effort to research the other sides' position, and debate them respectfully with facts as opposed to attempting to demean, demonize, and intimidate them.

    Because the lame ass Saul Alinsky playbook "Rules For Radicals" strategy is boring us. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    This.

    Basically some adults with interests are hiding behind some sheltered kid to make people go "awwww".

    If you want to listen to real talk by a guy who knows a thing or two and does not hide behind children - it is here: Professor Hans Rosling - Magic Washing Machine. Professor Hans Rosling is also from Sweden, if it helps. I think it's a thing.

    He is all for environment, but does not live in a dreamland. People touting environment are all high and mighty, but then they take their keys, get into their cars, drive to their well lit houses filled with appliances made out of plastics that gob electricity by the truckloads and think they are some environment saints trying to dictate to others how to be eco-friendly.
    *sips tea*

    Kinda like how you think you're the climate realist saint and that entitles you to belittle others for their advocacy? I refer to a fairly well known comic. This is your argument:

    This website is not a place of honor. No highly esteemed deed is commemorated here. Nothing valued is here. What is here is dangerous and repulsive to us. The danger is in a particular location. The danger is still present in your time as it was in ours.

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  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    *sips tea*

    Kinda like how you think you're the climate realist saint and that entitles you to belittle others for their advocacy? I refer to a fairly well known comic. This is your argument:

    Sorry, buddy, your memes hold no candle to Hans Rosling. With your lightning reply, you did not even watch it, so you are not interested in any opinion that does not match your predetermined closed-minded point of view.

    Maybe watch that link and get some second opinion.

    Reality is the people who squeal about how environment is important tend to be the ones ruining it most, because they can't fathom of giving up their lavish lifestyles that are the main contributor to the shit that is going on. Instead they prefer telling others what to do.

    Maybe if that girl would send her message remotely, instead of burning enough energy for her frontal clueless kiddie rage in front of a bunch of whales who collectively burned more coal and oil to get there than would otherwise be needed to power half a dozen big villages in some emerging countries for a year, then it would be a bit more convincing.

    But oh well, at least she got them likes and nice free trip in yacht. Fucking hypocrites.

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    Environment is important and humanity as a whole needs to shape up, but the way some people go about it is simply a pure nonsense. 1/10th of humanity burning half the energy on the planet and responsible for vast majority of emissions telling the remaining 9/10th how to live their lives.

    And Greta is a fine example of this hypocrisy, with her only saving grace being that she's a clueless kid that never had any wants in her life thinking she fights the good fight, while being played by those who pull the strings. Modern World Marie Antoinette surrounded by a bunch of Marie Antoinettes telling unwashed masses to eat cakes if they can't eat bread, really.

    Shape up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Sorry, buddy, your memes hold no candle to Hans Rosling. With your lightning reply, you did not even watch it, so you are not interested in any opinion that does not match your predetermined closed-minded point of view.

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    Primarily because despite what the folks on the right claim, I'm not interested in purity testing - especially for the sake of a group of people who seem to be unable to grasp the entire point of this form of climate change advocacy.

    Said point being to demonstrate the necessity of deep structural reform. Specifically by showing it how difficult it is even for a person of means to actually adopt an environmentally friendly lifestyle when the entire infrastructure of Western civilization is built on inherently destructive practices. You complaining about "a fucking yacht trip" as if it's a luxury just confirms that point - crossing the Atlantic without creating emissions is impossible for most people by design.

    It's almost as if she is saying the exact same thing you are, you just happen to not like her form of advocacy because...reasons. You don't like being talked down to by a child or something, I guess.

    The fact Greta Thunberg is actually managing to drive climate change discussion and "Dr Hans Rosling" is relegated to TEDTalks should be telling as to which form of advocacy actually works.

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    I should also add that nowhere does Greta actually claim to be a climate change expert and her advocacy is specifically focused around getting people to listen to the experts.

    Which, again, y'all would know if you actually listened to her rather than getting second hand reports from your preferred media outlets and making judgement based entirely on appearance. Totally not shallow as shit, by the by. /s
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Corruption 101 View Post
    lol.. Nah... Im not a conspiracy theorist cuz I stopped watching mainstream media years ago. Now I do the math myself instead of being force fed the lies and conspiracy theories by the criminals pulling the strings ..like "The Insane" allow...lol

    Albert Einstein said this:

    "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."

    This beautiful young girl has a condition called "aspurgers syndrome". It is characterized by "having an obsessive focus on one topic". Her self proclaimed activist parents and other agendized / manipulative adults have "wound her up" on this "climate apocalypse topic". Those "authorities" in her life have capitalized on her condition, innocence, and respect for them.

    ....hence... out of human empathy, our worlds population is now being "shamed" and deceived into same obsession with an apocalyptic delusion created by criminals, and amplified by a sweet girls conditional obsession.

    There is a special place in Hell for her puppetmasters.
    Yeah, nothing you have said, has been true, amazing though. Spouting George Soros, who has nothing to do with her, the UN being puppeteers, saying that climate scientists are science fictionalists and pseudo scientists? Yeah, ABSOLUTELY BULLSHIT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Corruption 101 View Post
    Exactly!

    Did you know that the yacht Greta sailed over the ocean on, consumed 3x the carbon necessary by getting it flown back? Typical smoke and mirrors...

    - - - Updated - - -

    I can tell that you are a liberal due to your "tolerance", insults and cussing.

    - - - Updated - - -

    AND the insanity of all this climate hysteria is that CARBON DIOXIDE FEEDS THE PLANTS THAT CREATE AND FILTER THE AIR WE BREATHE!

    Orbitus, with all due respect my friend...Please take the time and make the effort to research the other sides' position, and debate them respectfully with facts as opposed to attempting to demean, demonize, and intimidate them.

    Because the lame ass Saul Alinsky playbook "Rules For Radicals" strategy is boring us. Thanks.
    I am not your friend, will never be your friend and I don't need to research your conspiratorial position, I already have. Which is why I know what you are spouting is fucking bullshit. If you don't like cussing, delete this account, because I am not going to stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Primarily because despite what the folks on the right claim, I'm not interested in purity testing - especially for the sake of a group of people who seem to be unable to grasp the entire point of this form of climate change advocacy.

    Said point being to demonstrate the necessity of deep structural reform. Specifically by showing it how difficult it is even for a person of means to actually adopt an environmentally friendly lifestyle when the entire infrastructure of Western civilization is built on inherently destructive practices. You complaining about "a fucking yacht trip" as if it's a luxury just confirms that point - crossing the Atlantic without creating emissions is impossible for most people by design.

    It's almost as if she is saying the exact same thing you are, you just happen to not like her form of advocacy because...reasons. You don't like being talked down to by a child or something, I guess.

    The fact Greta Thunberg is actually managing to drive climate change discussion and "Dr Hans Rosling" is relegated to TEDTalks should be telling as to which form of advocacy actually works.

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    I should also add that nowhere does Greta actually claim to be a climate change expert and her advocacy is specifically focused around getting people to listen to the experts.

    Which, again, y'all would know if you actually listened to her rather than getting second hand reports from your preferred media outlets and making judgement based entirely on appearance. Totally not shallow as shit, by the by. /s
    The poster girl is preaching whatever the big boys behind her tell her to. She knows nothing and rides the waves of "awwww look at little girl telling off people fighting for a good cause".

    She's been made a symbol, just like many other little girls that did not really do anything meaningful, aside from being put to the pedestal over who knows what.

    I'd much rather listen to opinions of accomplished academics like Professor Hans Rosling (rip), than some little girl knowing nothing about how life works throwing angry words her mom/dad/influencer told her to throw. She's merely a spokesperson, who happens to sell due to sentimental value of being a kid supposedly fighting the big fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    "Demanding things". Pathetic.

    You're saying that as if she's asking for free tuition and not...you know...being able to continue to live in a stable society and a hospitable climate. What you are doing here is nothing more than tone policing.
    She is demanding people change their lifestyles and demanding world leaders not focus on economic growth.

    Unfortunately this issue is not black and white. The latter is necessary for new and upcoming technologies to be practical and cheaper.

    Come up with an economic plan where a mass-change is viable or shut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fargus View Post
    She is demanding people change their lifestyles and demanding world leaders not focus on economic growth.

    Unfortunately this issue is not black and white. The latter is necessary for new and upcoming technologies to be practical and cheaper.

    Come up with an economic plan where a mass-change is viable or shut up.
    Actually, the matter is black or white. Industrial growth is overrated. Industries can crash, burn, get changed, rebuilt and whatnot to the n-th time.
    Humans can life very well without for-profit companies, but cannot without nature.


    Btt:
    We have dumped so much trash into the oceans that we changed its chemical composition, same goes for the air. And while we did clean up our act a bit. Some of you might remember the hole in the ozone-layer? Big topic back then. After years of whailing against changes because they would cause some people discomfort and cost the industry money we did it and are better for it. The same goes for all the plastic waste that forms islands in the middle of the Atlantic and other oceans.
    And don't always deflect to China. One of the big reasons they produce so much waste and dirt is because they produce so much for us Westeners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    The poster girl is preaching whatever the big boys behind her tell her to.She knows nothing and rides the waves of "awwww look at little girl telling off people fighting for a good cause".

    She's been made a symbol, just like many other little girls that did not really do anything meaningful, aside from being put to the pedestal over who knows what.

    I'd much rather listen to opinions of accomplished academics like Professor Hans Rosling (rip), than some little girl knowing nothing about how life works throwing angry words her mom/dad/influencer told her to throw. She's merely a spokesperson, who happens to sell due to sentimental value of being a kid supposedly fighting the big fight.
    You do realise it's a contradiction to say you'd rather listen to X person's opinions when you weren't listening to Y person in the first place, as evidenced by the only criticisms of her you seem to have are ad hominems.

    Again; Hans Rosling is relegated to TEDTalks, Greta Thunberg has inspired climate strikes worldwide.

    Whose form of advocacy is actually working here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    It's a good show for the unwashed masses as long as questions are not asked, too bad that that's all to it.
    This is the difference between that kid and Hans Rosling.
    A 16yr old that gets attention really piss people off...LOL
    If she inspires questions, then those in politics should be answering them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by segara82 View Post
    Actually, the matter is black or white. Industrial growth is overrated. Industries can crash, burn, get changed, rebuilt and whatnot to the n-th time.
    Humans can life very well without for-profit companies, but cannot without nature.
    Says the guy who won't be able to survive without his smartphone for a day.

    Funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Again; Hans Rosling is relegated to TEDTalks, Greta Thunberg has inspired climate strikes worldwide.
    She went up huffy puffy spiffy, everyone nodded, smiled and made cool selfies and then they all spread to their mansions burning hundreds of people worth of energy each. At least she got to have fun on a yacht, guess that's a plus there.

    Next stop YouTube.

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    See, the thing is - I prefer listening to accomplished people who know a thing or two about life and not some well-groomed and petted upstart 16 years old squirt that got pushed forward as a poster doll for whatever cause.

    It's a good show for the unwashed masses as long as questions are not asked, too bad that that's all to it.


    This is the difference between that kid and Hans Rosling. He did not make people go "awww how cute", but he sure knew what he was talking about when it comes to the topic. He wasn't pushed through to the podium by the interested parties, he got there himself. The girl? Just another "would somebody think about the children" pet project of some coal chugging asshole who thinks he/she is environmental saint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    A 16yr old that gets attention really piss people off...LOL
    If she inspires questions, then those in politics should be answering them.
    I have fixed the post, so chronological order is messed up, but to answer this - she does not really piss people off, she went up said her piece, did some noise and that's that.

    She will disappear just as she has appeared and the world will move on.

    People who will fix this shit are those who will develop the technology to do so, not some big-eyed blabbermouths grabbing attention. That's why people with actual track record of doing something useful with their and others lives are so much more important than yet another poster girl for whatever cause being paraded around.

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    That's why people who try to put her above someone like Professor Rosling irk me greatly. So far she did not actually do shit in her life aside from talking smack, when she accomplishes something actually praiseworthy I'll give credit. Not for the empty pretty words someone put in her mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I have fixed the post, so chronological order is messed up, but to answer this - she does not really piss people off, she went up said her piece, did some noise and that's that.
    She will disappear just as she has appeared and the world will move on.
    I'm sure you want to believe that. But a young lass that can grab the limelight away from your preferences probably isn't going away for long.
    I should think that you said the same thing about a certain black man who spoke publicly at the DNC convention for the first time in 2004.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
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    She writes her own speeches made in online classes with her tutors. You're comparing a young adult to a dead guy who became an accomplished academic through a lifetime of study. You've no right to talk down to people that are essentially on the same side as you in terms of the overarching goal of getting people on board with climate change. Greta is just a mascot and a voice everyone can gather around to discuss the topic. Your own hits on her are legit but pushing for change supersedes those concerns for the time being. The politicians and ambassadors all clap at her speeches directed at them like they're at a pony show. It's disgraceful as they know there's a huge problem and threat, they invite her to speak only to not take her or all the attention she gets them serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    They deserved that lecture. 16yrs old is good enough to be a voice.
    But a politician or scientist? It's no wonder she "whines" when the likes of your ilk continue to fuck up the planet she's going to inherit.
    And when can vote, you'll be the one whining.
    Lemme give this scene a shot...(but make believe you dont know that I'm an informed white male adult sporting facts)... just to see if it has the same effect on The Insanely misinformed folks trolling the dark web....

    "HOW DARE YOU!

    so... how'd I do? how many of you are incomprehensibly, and irrationally empathetic with my middle aged white man angst and projected hopelessness for the future?? ... to the point of following the parroting lemming in front of you over the cliffs edge?

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