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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    She's a mouthpiece, that's why people are dismissing her. She doesn't have solutions, not to mention she just threw the world's largest temper tantrum in front of members of the United Nations. And the focus shouldn't be just on world leaders, it needs to be on politicians at all levels and the rich elite who can fix a lot of these problems. But they are more concerned about lining their own fucking pockets than they are about the future of the planet.
    Right now the focus is being largely shifted from rich and global elites to global poor, and while world's richest 10%'s consumption (roughly) equals to world's poorest 80%'s consumption, the blame falls on those 80% for being unecological and being the overpopulation itself.

    You can see the whole greta's point is being a world's elite's tool to deny world's poor's demands of same quality of living (i.e. having steak instead of processed crickets and human flesh)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    Right now the focus is being largely shifted from rich and global elites to global poor, and while world's richest 10%'s consumption (roughly) equals to world's poorest 80%'s consumption, the blame falls on those 80% for being unecological and being the overpopulation itself.

    You can see the whole greta's point is being a world's elite's tool to deny world's poor's demands of same quality of living (i.e. having steak instead of processed crickets and human flesh)
    How is this an argument against Greta when she has also been criticized for coming to the US instead of going to India or China?
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    My words exactly. Manufacturing in the US is considerably more expensive than elsewhere, and part of that are savage regulations such as environment protection or minimum wages.
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    Saying that Wilson is a racist murderer is the same level of conspiracy as saying Sandy Hook didn't happen and the parents are in on it.
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    I've asked this before, but I really need to ask it again:

    I'm not really inspired by Greta since - at the moment - she's just a message with no substance. Anyone can just get up on a stage and wring their hands and curse "the old people" and make demands.

    But...her message is essentially, "Lets not all die, ok?" So what is there to argue so fervently against? Why do people get so upset by this? Has the GOP really politicized the planet and our well-being so much that their base is really willing to fight against it just because the party says so?

    I guess I shouldn't be too shocked, they already politicized basic economics to the point that their base will fight against their own interests if the part says so. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    She's a mouthpiece, that's why people are dismissing her. She doesn't have solutions, not to mention she just threw the world's largest temper tantrum in front of members of the United Nations. And the focus shouldn't be just on world leaders, it needs to be on politicians at all levels and the rich elite who can fix a lot of these problems. But they are more concerned about lining their own fucking pockets than they are about the future of the planet.
    She's a mouthpiece for whom? Why does she need to have solutions? Her entire thing is bringing attention and pressure to the lawmakers to listen to scientists to come up with the solutions. If a 16 year old said she had solutions to climate change, I'd trust her less. It's not her place to come up with that stuff.
    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpresident View Post
    My words exactly. Manufacturing in the US is considerably more expensive than elsewhere, and part of that are savage regulations such as environment protection or minimum wages.
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    Saying that Wilson is a racist murderer is the same level of conspiracy as saying Sandy Hook didn't happen and the parents are in on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnlineSamantha View Post
    How is this an argument against Greta when she has also been criticized for coming to the US instead of going to India or China?
    She came there because UN headquarters is situated in the US probably? Why criticize her for this. Why criticize a mouthpiece at all, people criticize the idea behind this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    She came there because UN headquarters is situated in the US probably? Why criticize her for this. Why criticize a mouthpiece at all, people criticize the idea behind this
    It's not my criticism, it's one from right-wingers online.
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    My words exactly. Manufacturing in the US is considerably more expensive than elsewhere, and part of that are savage regulations such as environment protection or minimum wages.
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    Saying that Wilson is a racist murderer is the same level of conspiracy as saying Sandy Hook didn't happen and the parents are in on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    What about AoC ?

    A few months ago she was all the rage conservatives used to be obsessed with.

    Especially note that it's conservatives who keep bringing up these personalities, almost nobody else is talking about them if it wasn't for them...
    AoC fought back too much for them, so I guess they decided to lower the bar and attack a child with a mental health disorder

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    Don't worry about that, there's more than plenty landmass and space. The amount of landmass lost to ocean rise is only a tiny percent of the total. The large majority of current landmass could never be underwater in any possible circumstance. Unless of course some astronomically massive amount of comets and asteroids bring in new water. Which won't happen since most of those were gobbled up after the solar system formation.
    Keep moving to higher ground is not sustainable. You are talking about dark ages and lessening our impact on the environment, by extermination. You won’t be flying when airports are flooded... you won’t be driving, when ports are under water... this assertion is ludicrous. It’s literally that meme of a think sitting at a desk, as everything is on fire around them.

    Moving away from the problem, will have a far higher cost than doing something now.
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    She is being used for a mouthpiece for certain political ideologies and groups and this is going to leave scars, can see how she is almost in constant fear that the world is ending almost.

    Everyone is aware of the climate change the problem is how to deal with it and having the funds to do so is part of it. People won't change if you fear them, never worked and never will. You need incentives and solutions based around that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    AoC fought back too much for them, so I guess they decided to lower the bar and attack a child with a mental health disorder

    #ChristianValues
    So do her mental issues only work conveniently as a shield, or they can be provided as an evidence of why she is not thinking clear too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    So do her mental issues only work conveniently as a shield, or they can be provided as an evidence of why she is not thinking clear too?
    The only thing I know is that it (her mental illness) can be provided as evidence of how morally bankrupt some people are and how many partisan hacks are out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    She is being used for a mouthpiece for certain political ideologies and groups and this is going to leave scars, can see how she is almost in constant fear that the world is ending almost.

    Everyone is aware of the climate change the problem is how to deal with it and having the funds to do so is part of it. People won't change if you fear them, never worked and never will. You need incentives and solutions based around that.
    A young girl gave almost the same speech almost 20 years ago. The main difference between then and now is the reaction to it by the public. Back then the girl was praised as brave and inspiring for wanting to save the planet, but now in the same situation the little girl (who's only goal is to save the planet) is attacked and vilified by hypocrites and partisan politics. If there was ever an example of how far society's morals have dropped I'd say this comparison does it justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    The only thing I know is that it (her mental illness) can be provided as evidence of how morally bankrupt some people are and how many partisan hacks are out there.

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    A young girl gave almost the same speech almost 20 years ago. The main difference between then and now is the reaction to it by the public. Back then the girl was praised as brave and inspiring for wanting to save the planet, but now in the same situation the little girl (who's only goal is to save the planet) is attacked and vilified by hypocrites and partisan politics. If there was ever an example of how far society's morals have dropped I'd say this comparison does it justice.
    20 years ago, people and political parties their ability to attack were far more limited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    20 years ago, people and political parties their ability to attack were far more limited.
    So you would argue our societies have, more or less, always been this sleazy and apathetic for others, and breakthroughs with technology and communications have only allowed us to better facilitate those aspects?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    A young girl gave almost the same speech almost 20 years ago. The main difference between then and now is the reaction to it by the public. Back then the girl was praised as brave and inspiring for wanting to save the planet, but now in the same situation the little girl (who's only goal is to save the planet) is attacked and vilified by hypocrites and partisan politics. If there was ever an example of how far society's morals have dropped I'd say this comparison does it justice.
    I'm honestly still confused as to what they're attacking. It's like the right has gone crazy wacky-nunu over what seem like simple issues, all because the party has told them to. And it's not just this issue, there are so many things that just seem so basic, but the party tells them to fight against it - often against their own interests - and they do it.

    What is there to attack here? What do people actually disagree with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    So you would argue our societies have, more or less, always been this sleazy and apathetic for others, and breakthroughs with technology and communications have only allowed us to better facilitate those aspects?
    "Keeping up Appearances", i find this rather comical british tv-show highlights that aspect of humanity rather well. We are simply a few power outages away from being the uncivilized lot we have always been.

    The bigger difference perhaps is some of us, grew up when the world is smaller so we perhaps cared more how that world looked at us, and that was something that was beaten into us in some cases by our parents. I am not going to say that there is no difference as the world has changed but i think we were always this hostile towards others but instead of bullying those we disagree with in person, we can now do so from our phones what requires a whole lot less effort and courage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    "Keeping up Appearances", i find this rather comical british tv-show highlights that aspect of humanity rather well. We are simply a few power outages away from being the uncivilized lot we have always been.

    The bigger difference perhaps is some of us, grew up when the world is smaller so we perhaps cared more how that world looked at us, and that was something that was beaten into us in some cases by our parents. I am not going to say that there is no difference as the world has changed but i think we were always this hostile towards others but instead of bullying those we disagree with in person, we can now do so from our phones what requires a whole lot less effort and courage.
    That's actually a really good point, especially with the courage as the anonymity of the internet in several places, such as message boards, as driven that point well home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    What is there to attack here? What do people actually disagree with?
    I'm pretty certain that ''the right'' (I use that term very loosely, and only for lack of a better word to better describe the radicals of whom I speak) has drawn battle lines in their beliefs, and if you believe differently that those they share you are seen as the ''enemy'' (the enemy being ''the left''). It's basically a 'if you aren't with us you're against us' kinda deal and the outright denial of climate change is one of those beliefs.

    So they don't see a little girl trying to do what's best for her planet, they see an agent of the left trying to attack their beliefs. It's an affront to them.
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    Okay, put her against Bjorn Lomborg or Richard Lindzen for an hour on live television and watch climate alarmism die the death it deserves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    Only fools listen to a child who knows absolutely nothing as far as solutions for climate change.
    Well when people don't want to listen to scientists around the world who for so many years have been telling us we need to act on climate change before it's too late, then I'm fucking fine with this =)

    I mean don't get me wrong. I wish companies and governments around the world would have taken scientists warnings about climate change a lot more serious, but when they don't do that, when they ignore that in pursuit of short term profits, then wtf do you expect from people? If it takes a young teenager who crossed the atlantic ocean to get peoples attention so fucking be it.

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    Well when people don't want to listen to scientists around the world who for so many years have been telling us we need to act on climate change before it's too late, then I'm fucking fine with this =)
    Right? These people have spent decades putting their fingers in their ears and saying, "NANANANANA CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!" when scientists have told them about this stuff.

    Now they're gonna pretend that their big objection to Greta is that she's not qualified enough in the science? Suddenly they can't open their ears to anything but the most qualified scientific minds?

    Yeah, ok guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    That much is obvious. She's nothing more than a petulant child after all. I found it funny that anyone would have the audacity to say, in front of the UN membership, that they "ruined her childhood". I dunno, you'd think if you made it to 16, your childhood wasn't ruined.
    Your bar for not having a ruined child hood is making it to 16? Are you insane? Around the globe there are people who suffer abuse are forced to become child soldiers and have horrible crippling illnesses who make it to 16 and there child hoods are very much so ruined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    That's just being mentally ill for you. At 8 she learnt that climate change exists and went completely bonkers over this fact. She could have seen a cat killing a bird and become a biggest anti-cat activist to ever exist. Or could have learnt of bacteria existence and start living in the bubble. You never knew what triggers them.

    The terrible is that eco freaks are fine with ill child being exploited just because it suits their agenda
    That’s not how mental illness works at all and from the sound of it she’s not even mentally ill she’s just on the spectrum.

    It’s kinda said that people who are so ignorant are so confident in there own ignorance.
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