Archimonde vs Ragnaros

[darkoms]

Two big evil guys who tried to burn Hyjal and who have big hammers (although Archimonde’s hammer is not so impressive).
Who will win the battle of 1x1? The battle in neutral territory (I don’t know, maybe Hyjal or Stormwind or any place where the area is not influenced by Fel or a certain element that could strengthen Ragnaros (fire) or weaken (water)).

[slavrix]

Two big evil guys who tried to burn Hyjal and who have big hammers (although Archimonde’s hammer is not so impressive).
Who will win the battle of 1x1? The battle in neutral territory (I don’t know, maybe Hyjal or Stormwind or any place where the area is not influenced by Fel or a certain element that could strengthen Ragnaros (fire) or weaken (water)).

well both failed to attack hyjal.

both have died in raids twice

are we considering powers outside of what we see in game?

[darkoms]

well both failed to attack hyjal.

both have died in raids twice

are we considering powers outside of what we see in game?

We consider their power in all lore, in books, in the Chronicles, and so on.

[Terongor]

We consider their power in all lore, in books, in the Chronicles, and so on.

Well wod dungeon journal "When Archimonde reaches 25% health remaining, he summons a massive meteor to destroy Draenor." As thats from dungeon journal meaning allknowing perspective so its unlikely that Ragnaros has anything to compare.

[darkoms]

Well wod dungeon journal "When Archimonde reaches 25% health remaining, he summons a massive meteor to destroy Draenor." As thats from dungeon journal meaning allknowing perspective so its unlikely that Ragnaros has anything to compare.

He can destroy Draenor, but still lost.

[Varodoc]

Archimonde stomps. He could effortlessly annihilate entire worlds, whereas Ragnaros was a continental threat at best.

[Holdodlig]

Well wod dungeon journal "When Archimonde reaches 25% health remaining, he summons a massive meteor to destroy Draenor." As thats from dungeon journal meaning allknowing perspective so its unlikely that Ragnaros has anything to compare.

Ragnaros can summon legs and feets. This ability is more useful if you ask me

[Terongor]

He can destroy Draenor, but still lost.

Well argus "End of All Things – Argus ends creation, killing everything" and still lost.

Deathwing "Cataclysm – Deathwing attempts to finish the job he started by bringing forth a second Cataclysm" and still lost so yeah.....

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Ragnaros can summon legs and feets. This ability is more useful if you ask me

Useful maybe more powerful no.

[darkoms]

Well argus "End of All Things – Argus ends creation, killing everything" and still lost.

Deathwing "Cataclysm – Deathwing attempts to finish the job he started by bringing forth a second Cataclysm" and still lost so yeah.....

Yes, and I don’t understand why people give this as an argument
That is, these abilities do not give an automatic victory. Those who have this powers still can lose

[Anastacy]

Ragnaros can summon legs and feets. This ability is more useful if you ask me

Why is summoning legs and feet useful if you already have legs and feet? What are you going to do with the extras?

[AlmightyGerkin]

Well wod dungeon journal "When Archimonde reaches 25% health remaining, he summons a massive meteor to destroy Draenor." As thats from dungeon journal meaning allknowing perspective so its unlikely that Ragnaros has anything to compare.

Good destroy Draenor and all that came with that horrible expansion

OP: Archimonde would win no doubt. Hes a commander and a strategist so Ragnaros might be a small threat to him but Archimonde would win.

[Terongor]

Yes, and I don’t understand why people give this as an argument
That is, these abilities do not give an automatic victory. Those who have this powers still can lose

Well Ragnaros has no real way to invade twisting nether were as Archimonde has on firelands both can only die in their own realms meaning Ragnaros has no possibility to kill Archimonde were as Archimonde has on raggy.

Were as Archimonde first lose and failures was in war of ancients. Ragnaros has kept losing because he doesn't strategice in any way and other elemental lords abused were as WotA books said archimonde is a strategic master mind.

We have archimonde being more powerful and more intelligent and having only real way to kill the other so yeah archimonde would win in most cases.

[darkoms]

Good destroy Draenor and all that came with that horrible expansion

OP: Archimonde would win no doubt. Hes a commander and a strategist so Ragnaros might be a small threat to him but Archimonde would win.

Ragnaros participated in a long war against other elementals, and then against the Old Gods
He also has experience in warfare.

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Well Ragnaros has no real way to invade twisting nether were as Archimonde has on firelands both can only die in their own realms meaning Ragnaros has no possibility to kill Archimonde were as Archimonde has on raggy.

Were as Archimonde first lose and failures was in war of ancients. Ragnaros has kept losing because he doesn't strategice in any way and other elemental lords abused were as WotA books said archimonde is a strategic master mind.

We have archimonde being more powerful and more intelligent and having only real way to kill the other so yeah archimonde would win in most cases.

I'm sorry, what? How can Archimonde pass into the Firelands?
And I do not ask who can kill the other, I ask who will win 1x1, it is not necessary to kill the other forever (but we assume that both are in their prime)
And Archimonde also continued to lose. War of the Ancients, Third War, Draenor.

[Holdodlig]

Why is summoning legs and feet useful if you already have legs and feet? What are you going to do with the extras?

I don't know, it seems quite powerful since it gives him back 35% of his life and extra damages.

[Rafoel]

It makes huge difference for Ragnaros where the fight takes place. His power in Firelands is on whole other level compared to his power outside of it (like Executus said, "but a shadow of his true self").

Considering that the 2 times Archimonde was defeated, he was facing foes of exceptional power, and Molten Core was cleared by what was back then an ordinary army, Archimonde should win against Ragnaros outside of Firelands.

[Terongor]

Ragnaros participated in a long war against other elementals, and then against the Old Gods
He also has experience in warfare.

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I'm sorry, what? How can Archimonde pass into the Firelands?
And I do not ask who can kill the other, I ask who will win 1x1, it is not necessary to kill the other forever (but we assume that both are in their prime)
And Archimonde also continued to lose. War of the Ancients, Third War, Draenor.

Elemental lords were getting their asses kicked by old gods even chronicles 1 said they didn't even cause real damage on black empire masses. Yeah he has experience but chronicles 1 said he didn't use any complex strategy and descriped every other elemental lord smarter than him raggy elemental war draw. War against old gods lose, war against titan forge lose, conflict over blackrock mountain lose and war for hyjal and firelands both lose he has just lost.

While WotA descriped that archimonde conquered unnumbered world well eredar to legion to WotA is atleast 20k years and taking account time moving in Twisting nether (Btdp year 8 legion year 32 meaning 24 years which was 1000 years 1000÷24=41.6667 so our year is 41.6667 in nether 41.6667×20000= 833 333.33 years) so archimonde has 833 333 military experience without failure and only victories.

Firelands were made like Sargeras made marduum and legion are experts on portal making meaning archimonde could easily open a portal there when he is in azeroth as he has the knowledge.

Yeah archimonde 3 losses with unnumbered victories over 830k years and chronicles also implied raggy wasn't so smart strategically which his war reccord proofs were as WotA called archimonde strategic genius and we have already proofed archimonde is stronger with power to destroy a world so raggy has no real chance.

[UnluckyAmateur]

It ends like Thanos vs The Hulk. Sure Rag has a lot of upfront power but comparatively, he's no strategist, his raw power doesn't massive eclipse archimonde enough to just purely overwhelm him, and I don't recall him having any particular martial prowess either.

[Kyphael]

Ragnaros crisps his stupid bumbling ass.

[derpkitteh]

world ending rituals take time to take effect, don't count them in a fast paced 1v1 brawl.

1v1, i think it'd be a serious fight, that archimonde wouldn't walk away from unscathed. the titan keepers couldn't 1v1 rag, the titan keepers are stronger than the wild gods(freya created them), and we've seen archimonde beat the strongest of the wild gods.

imo, i think rag could win. but archimonde pretty much makes magic use turn very bad for the person trying to use it against him, so it's hard to tell.

[slavrix]

It makes huge difference for Ragnaros where the fight takes place. His power in Firelands is on whole other level compared to his power outside of it (like Executus said, "but a shadow of his true self").

Considering that the 2 times Archimonde was defeated, he was facing foes of exceptional power, and Molten Core was cleared by what was back then an ordinary army, Archimonde should win against Ragnaros outside of Firelands.

but in molten core, as we know, was "TOO SOON EXECUTUS, YOU'VE AWAKEND ME TOO SOON!"