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  1. #881
    Tanks and healers each have their own brand of stress. As a tank, I'm expected to know everything. I should know where to go, what to do, every mechanic, etc. Add to that the pressure of the party almost always wanting to go faster than I want. I've been yanked around by healers, had DPS pull for me, the works.

    As a healer, I'm expected to fix other people's F-ups and, if I can't, I look like a bad healer. It's not like I can say, "You're the worst tank/group I've ever had to heal and it's amazing we made it through this place at all." Healing can be relaxing with a competent group that goes at a moderate pace, but I'm not getting those as much as I am people who don't know what they're doing and, worse, think they're capable of doing much more than they actually are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrior View Post
    Also wows transmog really isn't that great a system. Better the ffxiv oh hell yes(insofar as having a fully unlockablw wardrobe/glamor log) but RIFT, Wildstar, GW2..frankly most mmos blow both wow and ffxiv away with customizability via things like no class restrictions etc.
    I loved Rift's system. The only good part about WoW is the appearance database. I am WoW poor, I can't afford that 250k mount and I also can't really afford to spend hundreds of gold on transmog every time I get gear upgrades (or the inconvenience of having to travel to a city that offers transmog). I've only really been able to enjoy it on heirlooms because each piece is only 1g. Aside from hiding appearances, which costs nothing, none of my WoW chars have a transmog. It's just too expensive and too much of a hassle to maintain.

    I was hoping glamour plates were going to be overlays like Rift had, but was disappointed to learn that it glamours over the gear. Yeah, I can buy dispellers, but that's not what I was hoping glamour plates were. They're still better than WoW though aside from not being able to use them outside of cities.
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  2. #882
    Quote Originally Posted by ippollite View Post
    -snip-
    Didn't someone mention here that the trust system adjusts to player power, and the instances take more or less the same time whatever you do? I.e. they do more damage when you just afk around, and less when you're going in with a well geared DD and do a lot? Note that I cannot confirm, I'm not even there yet in the game, I just seem to remember the discussion back then. But in that case, being a healer in the system would be quite annoying, as it would prevent you from playing the most "effective" way - which is pulling some stuff, then going afk and do other things. ^^

    As for dungeon anxiety: I get where you come from. I've watched guides in the beginning for the same reasons. As a healer, it's much worse than as a dd. However, at some point I stopped, because I was spoilering so much of the story and taking a lot of fun out of the game. And it's going really well, for the most part. There are very few mechanics in dungeons, which are not intuitive AND cause a death if you don't play them right. In most of those cases, you'll be fine just imitating what the other players do. Also just writing that you're new in the beginning helps - if there's such a mechanic, at least sometimes someone will mention it before the boss. Most of the time it gets ignores, but as said, most of the time there's nothing special.

    There is one exception to this, however, and these are trials. There are lots of fairly unique and sometimes not so intuitive mechanics. An example would be on Lakshmi. There isn't a good indication when to use the extra button, or that you get charges for it when collecting the orbs. If you didn't see a guide, you'll probably die there.

  3. #883
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    And yet somehow I don't have a problem, even with the incredible amount of stuff I carry around that I listed.

    The game gives us a TON of inventory space. Outside of extreme hoarders, there really shouldn't be any situation where you're stressed for space.
    And yet I've listed all the junk the game throws at you, which should've answered your question. If you don't have this problem, it's only because you are sitting at the level cap without touching lower content. I've played plenty of MMOs, including F2P trash, but this is the only one where inventory management constantly annoyed me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiggestNoob View Post
    ???

    The game shoves random shit into your inventory, the correct response is to get rid of shit you don't want.

    Try this another way.

    A: my apartment is dirty, I don't like it
    B: clean it up
    C: A telling you to live how they want is giving you bad advice, it's not you, it's just reality that's got you down

    ?????????

    Sadge game doesn't auto-level you and kill bosses for you too.
    This is the first time I've seen anyone essentially "gitgudding" when it concerns inventory. Honestly, it's a new low even for GCBTW.
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  4. #884
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    It has nothing to do with level or anything else, it's just...sell stuff, get rid of junk, etc. You don't even need to jump through hoops to do it, just hit up any vendor or just destroy it on the spot or desynth it if it bothers you.

    There's SO MUCH inventory space in this game that I don't even understand how people can run into issues. There's nothing that's actually dropping SO MUCH junk that you're overwhelmed by it.



    It's not "git gud" it's literally just saying that if you have too much junk in your bags then...get rid of the junk! Other than glamour fans having issues with the dresser storage, this shouldn't be hard for anyone.
    Its next to impossible to reason with someone who’s dead set on trying to find flaws in non WoW games, you can tell them that you get 200 inventory slots right out of character select screen, 150 for each retainer so 300, and another what 80? Once you unlock your chocobo, and they'll still find a reason to complain about 580 slots.

    Atleast we dont need a 3rd party addon and drop 1k gold on 30slot bags just to have more space.

  5. #885
    Quote Originally Posted by Swnem View Post
    WoW doesnt ask you to pay, but also drops tons of trash that fill your bags. Lots of different pips of anima and archivist relics, and due to it's convoluted gear system, you are forced to old lots of gear on your bags too. Oh you gotta hold your mats too.

    FF's has more compartments where you can stash your mats such as chocobo or retainer but it hardly drops less trash or unique currencies in it's zones, so my bags don't fill up so often. But, of course it's a bigger hassle to manage and it does ask you to pay for more.

    All in all... they all suck. None of them is good cause they all have design flaws.
    WOW has a reagent bank to store your materials that lets you craft directly from the bank. 100 gold for 98 slots.

  6. #886
    Quote Originally Posted by BiggestNoob View Post
    ???

    The game shoves random shit into your inventory, the correct response is to get rid of shit you don't want.

    Try this another way.

    A: my apartment is dirty, I don't like it
    B: clean it up
    C: A telling you to live how they want is giving you bad advice, it's not you, it's just reality that's got you down

    ?????????

    Sadge game doesn't auto-level you and kill bosses for you too.
    Wut??? I'm not talking about the random enemy drops. Did you even read my post? Try again after you've read and understood the kind of player I am talking about. Cheers.

  7. #887
    Hey Ipps, just out of curiosity how many different classes have you played in dungeons?
    Whats that? Just a whm? And you're trying to make an argument about the different expectations of the various roles in dungeons and why healers clearly have it worse? AND you're complaining that 'if they dont believe you, they should play a healer"?

    Well this is awkward...

  8. #888
    Quote Originally Posted by Rogalicus View Post
    And yet I've listed all the junk the game throws at you, which should've answered your question. If you don't have this problem, it's only because you are sitting at the level cap without touching lower content. I've played plenty of MMOs, including F2P trash, but this is the only one where inventory management constantly annoyed me.

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    This is the first time I've seen anyone essentially "gitgudding" when it concerns inventory. Honestly, it's a new low even for GCBTW.
    You can level through an expansion without cleaning your inventory once.
    Pretty sure it's not as much of a problem as you make it out to be.
    Roulettes don't fill up your inventory.

  9. #889
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowmatrix View Post
    WOW has a reagent bank to store your materials that lets you craft directly from the bank. 100 gold for 98 slots.
    I know... but you gotta go to town and deposit it and once you get another mat (in a game where traveling in a hassle with a force flight path or 30m HS), it will come to your inventory, not to the bank. It is not that convenient. In GW you just click a button and off it goes.

  10. #890
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    It has nothing to do with level or anything else, it's just...sell stuff, get rid of junk, etc. You don't even need to jump through hoops to do it, just hit up any vendor or just destroy it on the spot or desynth it if it bothers you.
    Next time when you start complaining about switching specs in GW2, I'll advise you to "just" grind some gold for different set or get legendary armour.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    There's SO MUCH inventory space in this game that I don't even understand how people can run into issues. There's nothing that's actually dropping SO MUCH junk that you're overwhelmed by it.
    Again, if you've missed the list:
    1) Every reagent (which normal mobs drop) takes two slots. One for NQ, one for HQ.
    2) Game blasts you with random shit as quests rewards: outdated materia, outdated food and some other weird shit
    3) Game drops minions, triple triad cards, orchestrion rolls and other garbage every time you go to Alliance raid, for example. Doesn't matter if you already have them
    4) Even in low level dungeons whenever someone open any chest, there is a chance you'll get few slots taken by 50 hp potion and 30 mp ether. Very helpful, thanks.
    For example, this is how my inventory looked three days after resub. I cleaned it when I resubbed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Itori View Post
    Its next to impossible to reason with someone who’s dead set on trying to find flaws in non WoW games, you can tell them that you get 200 inventory slots right out of character select screen, 150 for each retainer so 300, and another what 80? Once you unlock your chocobo, and they'll still find a reason to complain about 580 slots.

    Atleast we dont need a 3rd party addon and drop 1k gold on 30slot bags just to have more space.
    I still hope someday people will learn there've been other games than WoW for years and stop dismissing any FFXIV critique as "WoW fanboys mad". I haven't played retail WoW for the last 4 years.
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    Looking for Raid.
    They never found one though

  11. #891
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    That's the stupidest parallel to, "Go to a vendor and sell the junk."
    You've agreed with the guy who compared complaints about inventory management to wanting the game to play itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    Most of that is vendor trash, go to a damn vendor already. Sell it. Destroy it. Something.

    Why are you hoarding allagan coins and old materia and single stacks of useless mats or foods, I mean come on. That is literally days of crap building up in your bags, what is the obstacle between you and a vendor?
    So you went from denying that game spams you with garbage that you can't even stop from going your bags to saying "Just deal with it". Noted.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    (And in spite of all that, you still have 47 free slots JUST in your bag. Not counting saddlebag or retainers.)
    They were filled in another couple of days. Both of my retainers have no free slots left. Saddlebag is clunky piece of shit that is only there as an ad for $5 companion app subscription to deal with inventory. Otherwise, they would've added these 70 slots to inventory.
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    Looking for Raid.
    They never found one though

  12. #892
    Quote Originally Posted by Tojara View Post
    Yeah, I think telling people to just wait is shortsighted
    Agreed. If you're not enjoying yourself you should quit. Nobody is forcing you to play the game and life's too short to spend on doing things you don't want to do, especially if they're completely optional.

    I mean Minecraft is one of the biggest games in the world but I hate it so I don't play it. Same with League of Legends. You don't have to like all games and you definitely don't have to play them.

    Don't expect the game to change, play a different game.

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    FFXIV's inventory/retainer systems have flaws for sure, but if its inventory system is garbage just because your bags are full after 5 days of complete neglect, then every MMO's inventory system is garbage.

    Last time I played, WoW was no different. ESO and GW2 throw so much crap at you your inventory fills in hours, rather than days, and GW2's "deposit materials" button doesn't help much with that since it doesn't apply to every item, and those it does apply to, there's a cap of 250 (which fills very fast) unless you pay to expand material storage.

  14. #894
    Quote Originally Posted by Rogalicus View Post
    You've agreed with the guy who compared complaints about inventory management to wanting the game to play itself.

    So you went from denying that game spams you with garbage that you can't even stop from going your bags to saying "Just deal with it". Noted.

    They were filled in another couple of days. Both of my retainers have no free slots left. Saddlebag is clunky piece of shit that is only there as an ad for $5 companion app subscription to deal with inventory. Otherwise, they would've added these 70 slots to inventory.
    Heres the thing, people use this complaint and make it seem like ffxiv is the only one that does it, play WoW lvl a character. Your bags are full before you make it out of the starting area, what do you do? You go sell. Same thing with lotro, swtor, eve, runescape, everquest 1/2. Why is this a complaint given to one mmo like its not anywhere else? Why when given the simplest solution do people see that as bad game design?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    I don't recall ever having the option to create gear sets. Did I somehow miss this in 11 years of playing? And worthless quest items still hog bag space in WoW.
    Got to learn the game better, cause i've been swapping PvP, PVE, RP Sets instantly with 1 click of a button.

  16. #896
    Your concerns are very valid

  17. #897
    Quote Originally Posted by Rogalicus View Post
    You've agreed with the guy who compared complaints about inventory management to wanting the game to play itself.

    So you went from denying that game spams you with garbage that you can't even stop from going your bags to saying "Just deal with it". Noted.

    They were filled in another couple of days. Both of my retainers have no free slots left. Saddlebag is clunky piece of shit that is only there as an ad for $5 companion app subscription to deal with inventory. Otherwise, they would've added these 70 slots to inventory.
    Do you just never sell your vendor trash or something?

  18. #898
    Are low level crafting materials not worth keeping? I've been saving everything that's an ingredient, reagent, etc. for whenever I level crafting. I'm not busting at the seams yet to bother looking up whether or not any of it is even useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lane View Post
    Are low level crafting materials not worth keeping? I've been saving everything that's an ingredient, reagent, etc. for whenever I level crafting. I'm not busting at the seams yet to bother looking up whether or not any of it is even useful.
    If you're going to level up your crafters and you don't have more than a few hundred thousand gil, then you'll want to save them so that when you do level up your crafters, you don't go broke halfway through the process.

    If you have millions of gil (and can therefore buy the mats off of the market board) or all of your crafters have outleveled those recipes, then the only reason to keep those mats around is if you're planning on using them to make stuff to sell on the MB (ie, housing items or glamours or leve turn ins). Otherwise just dump them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    I don't recall ever having the option to create gear sets. Did I somehow miss this in 11 years of playing?
    Yes you did, WoW has had this feature since at least Cata or maby even wotlk.


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