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  1. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    I find the idea that people just take over a zone/ area and force everyone in it to either PvP or leave to be incredibly selfish. I know it's within the rules...I just don't like the idea behind it. But this is why I'll never roll on a PvP realm, I don't want someone else's mood or craving to possibly dictate how or if I'll be able to enjoy my play time vs having to deal with their whims. This is obviously coming from someone who is NOT a PvP person. More power to you if this is what you enjoy, both the giving and receiving end of it.
    I find the idea of someone agreeing to the rules of a server, and then complaining when they are at a disadvantage because of said rules to be incredibly selfish. To be clear, im not saying that is what you are doing, you clearly say you would never roll on a pvp realm, so i fully support you putting your opinion forward while admitting that is why you dont play that rule set. I think this discussion would be VERY different if only pvp realms existed, and i think the games rules would like quite different too.

    I think the existence of PVE realms means blizzard can and should be quite relaxed about the rules on a pvp realm, and i think thats a really good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    30 times? Dude...
    30 is too much for you? would 29 have been ok? what about 23? 15? That player ALLOWED themselves to be killed 30 times - if you dont res, you cant get killed. Go somewhere else, play a different toon - no one is FORCING you to get ganked over and over again.

  2. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by DSRilk View Post
    That's exactly what you're doing, all intentions aside. Additionally, you're assuming they have a main. Think of it this way: If there was a flag that enabled you to be camped... no other up side... how many people would turn it on? Would you? Or would you enable PvP with no camping as that would result in more time for actual PvP?

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    Is sitting on someone's corpse to re-kill them when they're 50 levels lower than you REALLY PvP? Or is calling it that just a great way to work out some personal issues?
    Tbh, if your 50 lvls below someone, why are you in a contested area or why did you attack that skull level player? It's your own fault. You should get camped so you know not to do it again.
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  3. #263
    I only do it if someone tries to jump me, like i had a druid and paladin try to jump on me while leveling my hunter, i made it through, killed them both and to "teach them a lesson" i contained to corpse camp them for about 4 respawns before i got bored and worried that they were screaming for 60s to come to the rescue.

  4. #264
    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    I find the idea that people just take over a zone/ area and force everyone in it to either PvP or leave to be incredibly selfish. I know it's within the rules...I just don't like the idea behind it. But this is why I'll never roll on a PvP realm, I don't want someone else's mood or craving to possibly dictate how or if I'll be able to enjoy my play time vs having to deal with their whims. This is obviously coming from someone who is NOT a PvP person. More power to you if this is what you enjoy, both the giving and receiving end of it.
    What's the point in even replying if that's your stance, evidently you can't be corpse camped since you don't play on PvP realms anyway.

  5. #265
    Quote Originally Posted by DSRilk View Post
    Is sitting on someone's corpse to re-kill them when they're 50 levels lower than you REALLY PvP? Or is calling it that just a great way to work out some personal issues?
    You are dealing with people who have completely different values than you. They know there is no challenge, they know the only reward is the feeling they get when they insta-gib someone 50 levels bellow them. Going on about those things won't change a thing for people that get some pleasure from that. They don't consider it a dick move.

    Also, it isn't necessarily about psychological issues. Not every dick move has a deeply rooted trauma or insecurity behind it.

    Some people just don't care. They get some measure of pleasure on it with no downsides at all from their framework of mind.

  6. #266
    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalName View Post
    What's the point in even replying if that's your stance, evidently you can't be corpse camped since you don't play on PvP realms anyway.
    Because that's my opinion regardless of whether or not I play on a PvP realm?

    My opinion isn't really about the actual PvP'ing, if you couldn't tell...

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  8. #268
    Quote Originally Posted by DSRilk View Post

    Is sitting on someone's corpse to re-kill them when they're 50 levels lower than you REALLY PvP? Or is calling it that just a great way to work out some personal issues?
    I'd rather have them get their issues out of the way by ganking in wow than visiting their school with their fathers guns tho.

  9. #269
    Quote Originally Posted by Appelgren View Post
    I'd rather have them get their issues out of the way by ganking in wow than visiting their school with their fathers guns tho.
    How did we get from people pvping on a pvp realm to people murdering children?

  10. #270
    I rarely took the time to corpse camp and if I did it was only on a kill on sight character and I would do it until they logged.

    I don’t think corpse camping in territory/objectives like Hellfire Towers counted since it was initiated PVP and a pseudo BG. However I think we’ve all been part of a group that camped towers or Halaa.
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  11. #271
    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    Because that's my opinion regardless of whether or not I play on a PvP realm?

    My opinion isn't really about the actual PvP'ing, if you couldn't tell...
    That's like asking a vegan about what sort of doneness they want on their steak

    "I don't eat steak", "I don't PvP" sure you're entitled to have your opinion, to voice it but it seems really redundant to do so, since it's got nothing to do with you.

  12. #272
    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalName View Post
    That's like asking a vegan about what sort of doneness they want on their steak

    "I don't eat steak", "I don't PvP" sure you're entitled to have your opinion, to voice it but it seems really redundant to do so, since it's got nothing to do with you.
    I thought they presented their opinion very fairly and honestly, and i think it is absolutely important to understand the "other side" when discussing things like this. This person looked at a pvp server, and said "nope, not for me" and sticks with a PVE realm - more power to em. What is 10x worse is someone who looks at a pvp realm, understands the ruleset, understands the consequences, understands the give/take nature of it, and decides to play on pvp, but endlessly complains about what is and is not acceptable on a pvp realm.

  13. #273
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    I thought they presented their opinion very fairly and honestly, and i think it is absolutely important to understand the "other side" when discussing things like this. This person looked at a pvp server, and said "nope, not for me" and sticks with a PVE realm - more power to em. What is 10x worse is someone who looks at a pvp realm, understands the ruleset, understands the consequences, understands the give/take nature of it, and decides to play on pvp, but endlessly complains about what is and is not acceptable on a pvp realm.
    No disagreements on that from me. But given their "veganism" towards pvp, their opinion isn't exactly worth considering, it's like asking a guy who only does normal/hc about mythic raids.

    Or a guy who can walk about his opinion on wheelchairs.

  14. #274
    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    You admit I am right even while you spin shit about what you said and didn't say. Griefing is an actionable offence. Blizzard has never taken action against anyone for valid PvP. This proves that camping people for any length of time is not griefing.
    I think it's clear by this point it's what I consider griefing, which was the point of my original post i.e. I don't go around attacking anything in my way, but if said person is griefing lower levels i.e. just hanging around and camping them then I'd get involved. I play nice, what can I say.

  15. #275
    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalName View Post
    That's like asking a vegan about what sort of doneness they want on their steak

    "I don't eat steak", "I don't PvP" sure you're entitled to have your opinion, to voice it but it seems really redundant to do so, since it's got nothing to do with you.
    Based on your responses it looks like you didn't even read or don't understand the point I was trying to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Anyone who thinks you can be camped for "hours" is an idiot. You can ALWAYS move out of the area, hearth, or get to a town where the guards can provide some refuge. I have been camped numerous times, and it is not hard to get away, anyone who just stays in the same area, and keeps releasing and trying to quest is not doing anything to help the situation. Those ppl should be on a pve realm.
    Reminds me of time when we've been paid to camp tanks of one of rivalling guilds during ulduar progression. 4 hours well spent, he couldn't get out of borean tundra and bunch of our guys got only notifications from GM to stop, and only one guy got banned for 3 hours for doing that. Good times.
    But anyways, literally anyone who used to camp people for hours know that you'll eventually be contacted by a GM and asked to stop, unless the other person is fine with that and didn't wrote a ticket.

    Killing someone 4 times is not problematic (and apparently most people here consider this to be "comping for hours"), it's totally fine on pvp servers by blizzard, but it stops being just "corpse camping" and becomes something else when you prolong it, break the game, block access of others to content and start targeting certain people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    There is no clear delineation between when it turns from JUST corpse camping to griefing and harassment.

    I don't see anything anywhere in this thread that explicitly discusses that or proves that idea wrong.

    I honestly don't understand how someone can try and argue that corpse camping someone for multiple hours with the express purposes of making their play session unplayable and unenjoyable would NOT be considered griefing or harassment.

    If you can point EXACTLY to where it says anywhere that THAT level of corpse camping is completely fine. I'm not just talking about corpse camping...stop referring to the PvP FAQ as that kind of behavior falls outside of normal corpse camping.
    I've been arguing about that with some guy for quite some time, maybe i'm too dumb to explain, or it's too hard of a concept to grasp, that allowed-on-pvp-servers-corpse-camping can turn into a ban, because camping someone 24/7, or flooding a zone with 12 characters for 1000 days is already past this "it's just corpse camping" line.

    Can you just imagine a situation where a guild just blocks access to blackrock on classic? They'd have 6 raids, 2 active every 8 hours every day and they'd just kill everything. Do you think blizzard will go "yeah that's totally allowed, it's just corpse camping"?
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  17. #277
    If someone is camping your corpse what you do is run back, log out, and then come back in about 10 minutes. This isn't EverQuest or the like where your shit decays if you don't loot your body in time. This is the authentic experience from back in the day. If you don't like these kinds of set backs you have 2 options, make enough good friends who will come kill the camper... or you roll on a PvE realm. Good luck with the griefing, it's what was demanded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Intent does NOT matter. At all, in any way, shape or form, and by any definition.
    Griefing is bannable offense in blizzard games, and definition of it implies intent. Intent does matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    But how would anyone make that distinction? You cant, and neither can Blizzard.
    That's why these issues are resolved via a ticket and GM interaction, GM decides if it's griefing/harassment/whatever or not and decides if it's worth punishing or not
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  19. #279
    Depends on the situation.

    For instance, two days ago I had just gotten the Sunflower buff from Felwood (5% crit and 15 stats for an hour, you die - you lose it), and a priest two lvls under me killed me while I was killing 2 mobs as a rogue.

    Spent the next 30 minutes corpse camping him untill he logged out.


    I always kill all Alliance I see, no matter the level. They rolled PvP, they get PvP, fair or not. But I usually just kill them once, let them ress and let them eat up and see what they want to do. Just more fun to have actual fights.

    Then the next day I might spend two hours in Redrige killing every lowbie for the fun of it.


    Zero mercy in p2 though, if it's 48+ (rewards honour), it will die. Every single time I see them.
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    The 10% reward. It's was unspoken rule that you DONT attack other faction so everyone could enjoy the 10% reward. But now no one cares about that anymore

  20. #280
    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    Based on your responses it looks like you didn't even read or don't understand the point I was trying to make.
    You said that wpvp was shitty, that's the point you made to me.

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