To answer the question....they run out of mana. They were called Oomkins for a reason originally.
As for the healer? Fuck that guy.
Same reason people dislike elemental shamans or ret paladins, they're completely useless in raids. It's better for morale to have a vacant slot than to bring one.
While I still think that's taking Classic far too serious, but it's more understandable. I think it's pretty ridiculous to restrict until at least phase 5, but I get it's setting precedent.
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Not when there is consequences. If you group with a guy in retail. It's more than likely you will never group with him again. Classic your community is much smaller.
One can absolutely handle it better than that group. But the fact remains, Moonkins ARE trash, and having one is a waste of a spot. And if the moonkin top the charts, the other dps are just insanely bad.
I would personally never invite a moonkin for any content. But I wouldn't be rude about it ofc.
Well said. People think those who play classic are some kind of saints that left the game when TBC came. Truth is that a big portion of the classic playerbase are those who plays, or recently played retail. And the level of toxicity hasn't changed one bit since the early days of WoW.
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Moonkin must be the most prejudiced Vanilla spec. I'm at 60 for nearly two weeks now and I can tell you that after like 40-50 various dungeon runs I've NEVER EVER met a SINGLE Moonkin. Not even ONE.
I myself play a Spriest, but I've been through MC already and, luckily, had no problem finding dungeon and raid groups (though couple of times I did hear bad stuff about my spec). But still, there are several SPs who are active at the moment. We even had a Ret doing MC and even winning stuff! But no Moonkin. Nada.
I am tempted to make one. Just to piss off elitists and douchebag minmaxers (people I dislike the most).
Since you need 40 to run MC and since it is lolMC, you can run with any spec (including some level 59s) just to make up the bodies. As classic progresses and things become actually less braindead, specs like Ret, Oomkin, SPs, Enh etc are going to be left behind (except maybe as filler if guilds dont have 40).
But come Patwerk, if you are playing Ret on Patchwerk, then your guild is seriously carrying you mate.
That being said, no need to minmax till Nef (BWL) or even AQ40. But are you willing to wait that long wasting days of playtime on a class that will eventually be useless? Rather reroll now than 6 months down the line.
Ive had a few oomkins from our guild in some of my parties, its not really a big deal to bring them for dungeons since nothing lives longer than 30 seconds anyways. They dont slow a group down any more than a mage does with all the drinking so not really a big deal to me.
At this point I thought people had figured out it does not really matter, people can bring whatever class and spec they want. Its not like dungeons/raids are hard or require anything special from certain classes anyway.
Its always weird watching people go mental about someone being ret in a raid with 40 people. In the very same raid the bosses die so quickly without any effort at all. Goes for dungeons to. Its a breeze and aslong as most people manage to click a few buttons, you win.
The only thing now is that with certain classes it goes faster. So from there its up to everyone to decide if they cant handle using 5-10 minutes more in a dungeon before going mental in chat.
Sure there are better and more effective classes, there always will be. But classes that CANT clear content in classic? lol.
oh and btw, im playing holy paladin so im not saying this just because I rolled ret or something.
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Because they run into mana issues in prolonged fights and can't use their dots in a raid environment due to the limited debuff slots.
That said in dungeons they are fine, the healer was just being a whiny tryhard.
Because, just like the other "meme specs" they are terrible in raid content when fights last a reasonable duration.
Currently it doesn't matter because Molten Core bosses die in about two minutes anyway before the meme specs go out of mana, but they still won't do anywhere near as much as the big-dick min/max DPS classes.
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You are absolutely right, I didn't start playing until November 2005.
Even still most stuff in MC keels over before mana becomes an issue, but since boomkins don't have any way of regenerating mana outside of potions and runes they would inevitably run out of mana in long fights.
But Classic being Classic its hardly like you need 40 of the most optimized anything to do the raid content so I'd still call people who flat out refuse to bring boomkins for tryhards. All I said was why people don't want them, not that I agree with the sentiment that they are useless.