Vulpera and Mechagnomes officially confirmed!

**Big Mama** · 2019-10-12, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Resident Rump

Why do mechagnomes have one less class option than vulpera? They should totally get shamans.

Techno shamans already exist in goblins, so there is no reason not to.

I think the team tried to rationalize this decision because of Mechagnomes obvious disconnection to the nature and elements.

I personally never liked Goblin shamans (although I started leveling one and stopped just to reserve the class for my Vulpera and because I hated their totems) but honestly - I am with you on this. They already established it in the lore and told us goblins are not asking the elements for help but are in fact using them. So I see no real reason why Mechagnomes shouldn't or couldn't do the same.

**SirCowdog** · 2019-10-12, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Resident Rump

Why do mechagnomes have one less class option than vulpera? They should totally get shamans.

Techno shamans already exist in goblins, so there is no reason not to.

If I had to guess I'd say it's because shaman make pacts with spirits of raw nature, while mechagnomes are diametrically opposed by being creatures of Artifice. This is reflected in the history of the elemental lords being allied with the old gods, while the titanforged served the Pantheon.

It's very unlikely that an elemental would want to form a bond or contract with anything(such as a mechagnome) that resembled a titanforged creature. I supose it's possible a mechagnome cpuld enslave or subjugate elements to their will similar to dark shaman, but that's a while other can of worms.

Basically it doesn't make sense. Which, if I'm being consistent with my previous arguments for all race/class options being available, doesn't mean it can't happen.

**cparle87** · 2019-10-12, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer

Nah that glass is restoring pre-MoP talent trees.

Yeah. Instead of having choice you can pretend you have choice.

**Aeula** · 2019-10-12, 10:42 AM

I want out of this faction.

Void Elf Paladins when?

I’ll make a mechagnome and level it up but I doubt I’ll even recruit the Vulpera unless that +1 to my mount count wins me over. Which it probably will but I’ll never make one. Let alone level it up.

**Self Inflicted Wounds** · 2019-10-12, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by SirCowdog

Sigh...this is exactly what I meant. You're making assumptions. Conflating one thing to mean another.

Maybe some players hate gnomes, but clearly not ALL do. And given the wide variety of players that play WoW, not everyone is going to enjoy the same things.

This means that Gnomes having a lower population percentage doesn't mean they're bad. It simply means they're not as popular as other playable races. The only way that they're "bad" is when you limit your view to absolutes, as I describe below using your restaurant analogy.

And how well does your restaurant do if it ONLY sells the most popular item? Sure, sales of that one item might increase, but at the lost sales of all the other items on the menu.

Just because potato soup isn't as popular as other items doesn't mean it won't still sell. You made a logical error in thinking that low sales means no sales. And more importantly, while they're enjoying theor low popularity item they might buy a drink, or bring a friend, or order something else off the menu.

WoW is a variety game. It provides many forms of gameplay and styles of presentation. Gnomes fill one small part of that variety, and just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean they don't still have value to that 6% of players you mentioned.

If you don't like mechagnomes, don't play one. They don't stop you from doing that, nor do they exclude future allied races more to your liking from being added later.

If you don't understand why popularity in a game like this matters, then we can't really discuss this topic on a logical, or philosophical level. Gnomes have one of the lowest populations in the game, cutting off their arms and giving them robots arms likely wouldn't become more popular. Go ahead and accuse me of assuming. Thats not what this is; a statement backed by other evidence is the basic form of logic. So your condescending sighs and name calling aren't warranted.

If you think I'm so off base, then start a poll here. Also, I never explicitly said they are "bad," but I did point out how their base forms aren't at all popular. If you want to keep saying they aren't bad though, then I also think you should prove they will be good.But looking at the numbers, Gnomes are the lowest outside of LF Draenei, Kul Tirans, DI, and Pandaren. 3 of those are brand new, and Void Elves have already passed them.

OT of restaurants: I didn't say sell one item, that is a straw man. I said maybe you should reconsider your lowest preforming menu item.... are you implying that this scenario, our restaurant would only have 2 items?

"If you don't like it, don't play it!" as usual just isn't a good argument. As a longtime customer, I CAN, and SHOULD question the decisions of the companies whose products I buy. On this very forum we constantly hear the "Only 1% of people see raids, so we cannot keep spending so much time and money on raids..." the reasoning is they are wasting their efforts.

Yes, it is a wasted development time. They could have made something original like Vulpera, for one thing.

**SirCowdog** · 2019-10-12, 11:52 AM