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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by THEORACLE64 View Post
    Sure, but he didn't want the war that was occurring. It was clear Baine didn't agree with what Sylvanas was doing due to the fact he gave Derek back, along with everyone else after Sylvanas planned on executing Baine. This was all Sylvanas' war and a situation she crafted, that's as clear as day (primarily by her own admission). She did it for her agenda, so despite how it was shown, it was her war all along.
    Sylvanas said she wanted to take over the world by any means necessary and acted the part. The Horde backed her in their vast majority under the assumption that she was doing the above for the reasons she said. She then revealed that she wasn't actually aiming to take over the world and was instead going to fuck them over, then insulted them and fled. If even her cover story is objectionable and the game assures it was in one interminable cinematic after the next and the Horde supported her on the basis of that objectionable cover story, then it is the Horde's war. Especially since the second it ceased to be about that ground publicly and became about Sylvanas's goals, it ended.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

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  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by THEORACLE64 View Post
    Yes, but saying that it was the "Horde's war" is untrue - that implies the entirety of the Horde wanted the war, they did not. Sylvanas wanted war and that's what she got.
    it was Alliance vs Horde war.
    it does not matter who started, why, who wanted it, who did not, who won or lost, casualities, etc

    I can bet Kaldorei did wish for this war after Cataclysm, but it was them who was burned in it
    no matter how honorable or good hearted Tauren were, they helped Horde destroy elves and Ancients
    etc

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by masterjc View Post
    it was Alliance vs Horde war.
    it does not matter who started, why, who wanted it, who did not, who won or lost, casualities, etc

    I can bet Kaldorei did wish for this war after Cataclysm, but it was them who was burned in it
    no matter how honorable or good hearted Tauren were, they helped Horde destroy elves and Ancients
    etc
    Of course it was, but it was neither of their way. It was obvious that's what BfA was about, even what Ion said in the video about it being a "battle for azeroth's safety" is exactly what it's always been about. It was a bullshxtty was that was essentially Sylvanas'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grazrug View Post
    OH I'm not surprised by that with such a username. Ya played yerself.

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    Nope. That model came at the end of Legion. Epilouge. It's fresh.
    Ah, you're right. It was just the loading screen/art for the game that had him looking like that for a few years beforehand. Actual model was 2017 it looks like.

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Rendark View Post
    With Gallywix gone there really is nothing good left in the horde. They fucked up everyone and killed off all the rest. I like Gazlowe but he shouldn't lead the horde goblins. Gallywix was perfect for that, being a amoral greedy dick was a great fit for the goblin leader. Now tho blizzard is so lazy with the story they don't want anything to have rough edges, only a smooth clean story. So now the forsaken and goblins are stripped of everything that makes them good.
    Gallywix is just a dumb mobster. His luck should have ended long ago. Gazlow, however, is pragmatic, ruthless and takes care of his own. The Godfather type of mobster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazarusLong View Post
    Gallywix is just a dumb mobster. His luck should have ended long ago. Gazlow, however, is pragmatic, ruthless and takes care of his own. The Godfather type of mobster.
    He is far from ruthless. Having him be part of the horde is cool but Gallywix should always lead.

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Rendark View Post
    He is far from ruthless. Having him be part of the horde is cool but Gallywix should always lead.
    Did you miss how he sends you to kill dozens of people from the Ratchet for profit?
    Blows up a ton on iron horde and kills them with shredder?
    Tortures gnomes to get the Mechagon location? Sends players to kill alliance for prototypes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazarusLong View Post
    Did you miss how he sends you to kill dozens of people from the Ratchet for profit?
    Blows up a ton on iron horde and kills them with shredder?
    Tortures gnomes to get the Mechagon location? Sends players to kill alliance for prototypes?
    exactly, Gallywix is funny and all, but he should never be a racial leader compared to Gazlowe, a leader who kinda care about his employees

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazarusLong View Post
    Did you miss how he sends you to kill dozens of people from the Ratchet for profit?
    Blows up a ton on iron horde and kills them with shredder?
    Tortures gnomes to get the Mechagon location? Sends players to kill alliance for prototypes?
    I wouldn't really call any of that ruthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    exactly, Gallywix is funny and all, but he should never be a racial leader compared to Gazlowe, a leader who kinda care about his employees
    Gazlowe is fine as the face of Goblins but he is boring. Gallywix is fun and looks the part of trade prince way more.

  11. #171
    btw Gazlowe seems to be pretty different type of leader than anyone before him

    after appointed as trade pronce of Bilgewater (wtf. by orc?lol)

    he says something like:
    okay. ni matter who will pay me. streamwheedle or bilgewater.


    what?he is employed as prince?lol

  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by Rendark View Post
    I wouldn't really call any of that ruthless.
    Then exactly what would you call ruthless, Mr. Stalin?
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    "Orc want, orc take." and "Orc dissagrees, orc kill you to win argument."
    Quote Originally Posted by Toho View Post
    The Horde is basically the guy that gets mad that the guy that they just beat the crap out of had the audacity to bleed on them.
    Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/

  13. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    Gazlowe is a thousand times better leader! The goblins will finally have a leader to respect and give them a good future
    An honorable Goblin!? Yessss! Cause The Horde needs MOAR...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rendark View Post
    Gazlowe is fine as the face of Goblins but he is boring. Gallywix is fun and looks the part of trade prince way more.
    fun is not the only thing to look for, gallywix is a piece of shit for real, at least gazlowe will pay the dudes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    fun is not the only thing to look for, gallywix is a piece of shit for real, at least gazlowe will pay the dudes
    Ya he is but that's what you want in a goblin leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rendark View Post
    Ya he is but that's what you want in a goblin leader.
    a goblin leader is supposed to be just fun and nothing more? its a leader

    what i want is a goblin that can at least make his own bombs, Gazlowe is the guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    a goblin leader is supposed to be just fun and nothing more? its a leader

    what i want is a goblin that can at least make his own bombs, Gazlowe is the guy
    Nah, Gallywix is the perfect trade prince. Gazlowe is good as the head eng and face of the goblins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rendark View Post
    Nah, Gallywix is the perfect trade prince. Gazlowe is good as the head eng and face of the goblins.
    he was so perfect that almost got replaced by the player, and only remained because thrall said so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    he was so perfect that almost got replaced by the player, and only remained because thrall said so
    That's goblins for ya. Gazlowe being the leader is just so boring. Another good guy doing good guy things. Gallywix is the perfect trade prince because he's a scum bag. The horde needs a leader like him in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rendark View Post
    That's goblins for ya. Gazlowe being the leader is just so boring. Another good guy doing good guy things. Gallywix is the perfect trade prince because he's a scum bag. The horde needs a leader like him in it.
    i don't know where the scumbag trait is rly required to be a trade prince.

    Gallwyx is barely a goblin, and fat, he did nothing but steal and not pay people, we is not a inventor, a trait goblins should have, people want a leader to look for, no one i knew who play goblin like him, and prefer Gazlowe, it is supposed to gain profit and grow, not put everything in his belly.

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