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  1. #421
    Quote Originally Posted by Erwarth View Post
    I'm not defending China.

    What the actual fuck is wrong with you people ?
    A competitive event isn't the place to do politics shenanigans. It was crystal clear in the rules of the event. He broke the rules, he pay the price. It has nothing to do with China and everything in respecting a contract.

    If you want to be all political, send thought and prayer on facebook and twitter like everyone else.
    You are extremely naive to think nothing would've happened if blizzard did nothing.

  2. #422
    The corporate handbook to fixing this PR issue says to deflect to something else altogether. So that means Blizzard will (within a week or two) announce a major humanitarian aid mission sponsored by the company to some starving third-world nation like Haiti. Then you devote the opening ceremony to the new Blizzard Haiti Relief Program. No-one can boo them then.
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    I want the ruins of K'aresh for 9.0 as I envision it as Netherstorm on steroids. A broken, shattered world. Eco-domes are stuck on various chunks to protect flora & fauna. I imagine a K'aresh ocean & maybe some islands contained in an eco dome or a snow-capped peak with some jungle valleys in another. Flesh version of Ethereals that never got altered. Space platforms as in Starcraft. Just a totally fantastic tileset & theme that I'd be very keen to explore. They could do some wild things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    So technically...the tournament was NOT in actual China?
    Again this depends on perspective. From the PRC perspective it was held in China, from the ROC perspective it was held in Taiwan.

    Hong Kong is part of the PRC but they were a British colony up until 1997 when the UK handed sovereignty back over to China. Since then Hong Kong has consistently resisted control by the Chinese government, and they have their unique "one country, two systems" policy that allows Hong Kong to enjoy greater civil liberty than the rest of China. These recent protests are in response to the Chinese government trying to clamp down and tighten control over Hong Kong, particularly legislation that would allow them to extradite criminals (including political dissenters). There is also a movement within Hong Kong to seek independence through revolution.

    The PRC characterizes the protests as violent, rioting, treason, etc. in the state-run media and so a majority of people living in mainland China are opposed to the protests and view the protestors as the problem rather than the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jshadowhunter View Post
    You're saying you're siding with Chinese communist party then?
    Where did I say that? This is the problem. You only see what you want to see and anyone that doesn't agree with you 100% is the enemy.
    "Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
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  5. #425
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Where did I say that? This is the problem. You only see what you want to see and anyone that doesn't agree with you 100% is the enemy.
    There's no such thing as a "good communist" if that's what you're thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jshadowhunter View Post
    There's no such thing as a "good communist" if that's what you're thinking.
    Again where did I say that? Why do you need to invent statements? That is one part of the larger problem.
    "Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
    You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."

  7. #427
    Quote Originally Posted by Jshadowhunter View Post
    There's no such thing as a "good communist" if that's what you're thinking.
    So, let me get this straight...

    Its alright for Blizzard to do business with China? Yes or No?
    Because everything was fine for Blizzard before this situation.

    Basically...was Blizzard always walking on thin ice by the fact they make business with china?

    All it took was one man to say something...and now everything went to shit for Blizzard?

    Because by him speaking and opening his mouth...Blizzard must take a stand in corporate activism against chinese government?

  8. #428
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    The corporate handbook to fixing this PR issue says to deflect to something else altogether. So that means Blizzard will (within a week or two) announce a major humanitarian aid mission sponsored by the company to some starving third-world nation like Haiti. Then you devote the opening ceremony to the new Blizzard Haiti Relief Program. No-one can boo them then.
    Diablo 4 announcement this weekend!!!!

  9. #429
    Wow, crazy! Nothing happened!

  10. #430
    You people are ridiculous, no it's not okay to try and use a neutral platform to express your political unhappiness causing big harm to said neutral platform in the process. Dude directly violated Blizzard's rules and punishment was enforced, they did not take either stance by enforcing this rule.

    Good for the guy that he wants to make a change and improve his situation but don't do it at expense of others, others that did not agree to your actions, others that would have to suffer consequences for actions you decided to force on them, it is crazy to think that is okay, that is next level hypocrisy.

    Free speech goes both ways, people are enraged that guys freedom of speech was rekt but Blizzard is not allowed to make their own choice whether to stay neutral or to pick a side, no they are somehow morally obligated to do what the 2019 snowflakes think is right, thats crazy.

  11. #431
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Dude actually said this.

    Unbelievable.
    I don't think you understand the lengths people will go to on these forums to suck up to authoritarians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    I don't think you understand the lengths people will go to on these forums to suck up to authoritarians.
    It is more an example of the lengths people will go to to remain ignorant. Pointing out that a rogue moderator shut down r/Blizzard and that the front page is full of memes and criticisms of Blizzard and support for Blitzchung is not sucking up to authoritarians. But hey keep being ignorant and insulting those who don't jump on the outrage wagon.
    "Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
    You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."

  13. #433
    Quote Originally Posted by Dendrek View Post
    If Blizzard were to speak out in favor of what China is doing, THAT would be a reason to hate them. But this? No. This is them trying NOT to get involved.

    Expecting Blizzard to abandon its markets in China is incredibly stupid.
    So basically you have paid zero attention to what Blizzard has actually said about this? Got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Is that a yes? Are you heading down to your local recruiter right now to sign up and fight ww3?
    Speaking out against what is happening in Hong Kong isn't a call for WW3. What the hell is wrong with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Finally someone makes a great point. You are indeed the first one showing any signs of superior intellect (>_<)

    So it was a tournament taking place in China with Blizzard responsible for it.
    Now that makes everything more complicated.

    Why is no one talking about this point of view?

    I agree this would place Blizzard in a hard spot to be in...
    Because Blizzard didn't have to enforce their own rules in the manner that they did nor did they have to say the things they have about the situation which practically word for word mirrors China's view of what is happening in Hong Kong. Again this is what people are taking issue with.

  14. #434
    Still people argueing that Blizzard is trying to be apolitical. Are you done inventing shit you morons, Blizzard is political all over the world. Read the very first statement officialy from blizzard in Chinese after the event:

    "We are very angered and disappointed at what happened at the event and do not condone it in any way. We also highly object the spreading of personal political beliefs in this manner...We will always respect and defend the pride of our country."
    Yes clearly Blizzard is apolitical boys!

  15. #435
    Quote Originally Posted by Dendrek View Post
    Note: I would be in full support of a full boycott on all business done in China. But what people are passively or actively suggesting here is that Blizzard should be willing to spearhead such a boycott, and that, I think, is silly. It would have no actual affect on China and would only hurt Blizzard (with the added "benefit" of gaining public support for their action for maybe a month or two until people forget and go back to not caring).
    It has been pointed out repeatedly why a boycott of products made in China wouldn't work. This is straight up trolling. Stop it .

  16. #436
    Quote Originally Posted by minteK917 View Post
    Still people argueing that Blizzard is trying to be apolitical. Are you done inventing shit you morons, Blizzard is political all over the world. Read the very first statement officialy from blizzard in Chinese after the event:



    Yes clearly Blizzard is apolitical boys!
    I mean...just dig a bit deeper and their existence in the Chinese market is inherently political. Companies must receive signoff from the Chinese government and abide by their draconian rules, which means that any company entering that market is making political decisions to appease the Chinese government in their desire for bigger markets and more money.

    You literally can't be a foreign company in China without "getting political".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellger View Post
    You people are ridiculous, no it's not okay to try and use a neutral platform to express your political unhappiness causing big harm to said neutral platform in the process. Dude directly violated Blizzard's rules and punishment was enforced, they did not take either stance by enforcing this rule.

    Good for the guy that he wants to make a change and improve his situation but don't do it at expense of others, others that did not agree to your actions, others that would have to suffer consequences for actions you decided to enforce on them, it is crazy to think that is okay, that is next level hypocrisy.

    Free speech goes both ways, people are enraged that guys freedom of speech was rekt but Blizzard is not allowed to make their own choice whether to stay neutral or to pick a side, no they are somehow morally obligated to do what the 2019 snowflakes think is right, thats crazy.
    Blizzard was cenzorshiping people for a long time now. And not just for the political stuff mind you. People got banned on their forums for suggestions that would improve the games (call me crazy, but this did happen). As soon as there is money and work involved, they rather go banhammer.
    And then there are fanboys protectors, that destroy any good threads and get them locked. Or they bait people till they get permabanned.

    This is one of many reasons why people dislike Blizzard and support the player, that was banned for the cash gain. And a sport is no sport if the players cant experes themselves. Players in sport are doing this type of protest all the time. As they know that competition rules are restrictive to human freedom.

    I will give a few examples:
    *Muhammad Ali refused to enlist to fight for the US in the Vietnam War in 1967. Already a boxing superstar, Ali based his decision on his beliefs as a Muslim and his opposition to the war. Ali was arrested, later found guilty of draft evasion, stripped of his titles, and had his fighting license suspended. Ali was out of the ring for three years until his conviction was overturned in 1971.*

    *One of the most famous sporting protests was in 1968, when the Olympics in Mexico were rocked by Tommie Smith and John Carlos with their Black Power salutes following the final of the men's 200-meter sprint. Both athletes bowed their heads and raised black-gloved fists on the podium while the US national anthem played, a move that outraged millions of Americans.*

    *The Black Lives Matter movement has been at the forefront of various protests and campaigns in the US recent years. One of the most prominent was in 2014 when LeBron James and fellow NBA players Kyrie Irving, Jarret Jack and Kevin Garnett wore “I can't breathe" shirts in reference to the last words of Eric Garner, an unarmed black man who died after a police officer had placed him in a chokehold.*

    *American footballer Colin Kaepernick knelt during the US anthem in 2016, sparking the now famous #TakeAKnee campaign in a protest against racial inequality and gun violence. President Donald Trump heavily criticized Kaepernick and the growing movement, which led to increasing anger from the players and many US citizens alike.*

  18. #438
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    But guys

    It was a tournament taking place IN China.
    This is a whole different story now that i know this (lol sorry)

    Just because it was a Blizzard organized event...doesnt mean that it is a "safe haven" to disrespect the country's laws where the tournament was taking place.

    I think its a whole different situation now that (silly me) knows it was a tourny taking place in actual China.
    He broke the law of the country he was on...placing Blizzard in a tough situation to be in...
    Blizzard put Blizzard in a tough situation. Stop fucking letting them off the hook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    We could do that but China will still not budge an inch on this issue. They will never allow foreign nations to openly support insurrection inside China.
    Yet China is very possibly going to be interfering in matters in the United States. But that is a-ok right?

  19. #439
    Freedom of Speech
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    "You know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation."

  20. #440
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Which again shows my point. You only care because it is China. Any other world problems should not be mentioned because they are not important enough to you. So they should rightfully be banned. Even more so when it comes from the "west". That is being a hypocrite. Only your problems are important enough to make rules not apply but everything else should definitely be censored just because.

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    China is enslaving a group of people by one person violating a gaming tournaments rules? Again further shows how you only care because of China. The problems of the west don't matter so can't be protested against at all. Deserve to be censored. Deserved to have people enslaved because money is more important when dealing with western world issues.

    But with China it is automatically evil. If you truly care about tyrants you would be against no matter where in the world it takes place.
    Again what the fuck is wrong with you people? Look at what is happening in Hong Kong. Actually fucking look. Stop defending this bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remilia View Post
    Yup, which is one of the reason why I said any business with china will be political. If this was hosted in mainland china, Blitzchung will not be seen ever again.
    And sadly many people in this thread would probably defend even that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erwarth View Post
    I'm not defending China.

    What the actual fuck is wrong with you people ?
    A competitive event isn't the place to do politics shenanigans. It was crystal clear in the rules of the event. He broke the rules, he pay the price. It has nothing to do with China and everything in respecting a contract.

    If you want to be all political, send thought and prayer on facebook and twitter like everyone else.
    Again Blizzard was political with how they handled this situation. They used politics to defuse it to appease China. How is this so difficult to comprehend? Like I said politics is a part of many things especially in entertainment media. It isn't going away and companies are going to react things like this politically.

    For those who are still trying to play dumb: what Blizzard did was just as political if not more so than the player they punished for doing the same thing. Stop with the bullshit. This is NOT about taking politics out of gaming.
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