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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiase View Post
    Please, I want this now.
    Seriously. Imagine if the majority of all grandmaster players stood with Hong Kong, and people at blizzcon chanted Liberate Hong Kong.
    What the fuck would they ever be able to do? They'd be so fucked.
    I WANT IT

    LET IT HAPPEN
    I 2nd that notion.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiase View Post
    Please, I want this now.
    Seriously. Imagine if the majority of all grandmaster players stood with Hong Kong, and people at blizzcon chanted Liberate Hong Kong.
    What the fuck would they ever be able to do? They'd be so fucked.
    I WANT IT

    LET IT HAPPEN
    and earning yourself a lifelong blizzcon ban gj

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by valky94 View Post
    and earning yourself a lifelong blizzcon ban gj
    And?

    The people doing it know the risks and wouldn't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Some battles you can pick and choose, some you can't. I need my phone for work and daily life, So I have to deal with the fact most (if not all) are made in China. I don't have to have a Activision-Blizzard product in my life.

    Shit isn't as black and white as you make it.
    Pretty much my point.....you think Blizz. can pick and choose? you think its all black and white for them? I am being serious here and apply this to whatever X company of your choosing.

    We are dealing with a whole lot of grey yet our outrage is black and white and specific for them, we expect them to act on our behalf for what reason exactly? our money? they get more from there? a principal? a moral code we break more of those than we stand up for...the only thing they have to do is to follow the rules they have set beforehand and stick to them, they can't pick and choose when to apply them or not.... hell yes it's bitter and annoying....but that how any structure works...as I said even over here state side the same would have happened.
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  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by ShadeknightX View Post
    Pretty much my point.....you think Blizz. can pick and choose? you think its all black and white for them? I am being serious here and apply this to whatever X company of your choosing.

    We are dealing with a whole lot of grey yet our outrage is black and white and specific for them, we expect them to act on our behalf for what reason exactly? our money? they get more from there? a principal? a moral code we break more of those than we stand up for...the only thing they have to do is to follow the rules they have set beforehand and stick to them, they can't pick and choose when to apply them or not.... hell yes it's bitter and annoying....but that how any structure works...as I said even over here state side the same would have happened.
    What Activision-blizzard has to choose isn't my problem, It comes down to my morals and how I feel on a personal level. Activision-Blizzard decides to side with China (just like the NBA) and throw away morals for money that's their choice.

    I don't have to deal or accept it. There is area's where its gray for me (like my cell phone example) but when it comes to gaming, The choice is quite simple. Don't side with company's who do shit like this. Just like I don't buy WB games because they decided to profit off a developer who died of cancer.

    Activision-Blizzard could take the financial hit and side with the player (and still have more money than god), They choose to side with China and Money.

    That's their call and this is mine.
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  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Activision-Blizzard could take the financial hit and side with the player (and still have more money than god), They choose to side with China and Money.
    they couldnt, its not that easy as you think, it would cause a chain of bad events happening, they would lose a shit ton of money just from losing the chinese playerbase, but thats not it, their stocks would plummet, investors would back out, causing them to lose even more money, forcing them to cut salaries and/or cut staff/people leaving, lowering worker morale, ending up in lower quality products

    while i dont agree with their choice, they realisticlay didnt have any
    Last edited by valky94; 2019-10-08 at 12:29 PM.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by valky94 View Post
    they couldnt, its not that easy as you think, it would cause a chain of bad events happening, they would lose a shit ton of money just from losing the chinese playerbase, but thats not it, their stocks would plummet, investors would back out, causing them to lose even more money, forcing them to cut salaries and/or cut staff/people leaving, lowering worker morale, ending up in lower quality products
    You do realize they will cut staff/people anyway right? They just fired 800 people and yet reported the highest profit's they have had in years.

    As for the stock, That shit drops or raises based on a fart alone. As for lower quality products, That is already happening (subjectively).

    They would still be the biggest gaming company on the planet, They would still be raking in cash due to Loot Box's and their mobile division.

    They would be 100% fine.
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    Well, how much of your livelihood would you give up to support hong kong? For Blizzard that was a tough call but would have made the same one.

    I dont like how china runs things and I feel for the protesters but I wont mortgage my bussiness or my life to support them.

    Its one thing to type some words on the internet to feel like a defender of freedom and another to actually risk a chunck of your business for it.

    Companies are not equipped to stand up to states, period. Nor should they.
    Last edited by caballitomalo; 2019-10-08 at 12:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valky94 View Post
    and earning yourself a lifelong blizzcon ban gj
    I think it would be a PR nightmare they wouldn't be able to recover from. They'd have to fully commit themselves to china and ban everyone else then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caballitomalo View Post
    Well, how much of your livelihood would you give up to support hong kong? For Blizzard that was a tough call but would have made the same one.

    I dont like how china runs things and I feel for the protesters but I wont morgage my bussiness or my life to support them.

    Its one thing to type some words on the internet to feel like a defender of freedom and another to actually risk a chunck of your business for it.

    Companies are not equipped to stand up to states, period. Nor should they.
    lol get real dude. Blizzard already earns a fuck ton of money, they could lose the entirety of the chinese market and they'd still be fine. They'd still be earning enough money to buy all the yachts they want and the fancy houses they like.

  12. #32
    I get why blizzard did this. But it's a shame they're such a slave to the chinese market.

    Pathetic and disappointing. But I understand greed trumps all.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiase View Post
    I think it would be a PR nightmare they wouldn't be able to recover from. They'd have to fully commit themselves to china and ban everyone else then.

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    lol get real dude. Blizzard already earns a fuck ton of money, they could lose the entirety of the chinese market and they'd still be fine. They'd still be earning enough money to buy all the yachts they want and the fancy houses they like.
    Well, if thats how you think business works the great. Rest assured, the ceo that chooses to leave the chinese market because they dont like tgeir goverment wont last long on that job.

    This hole thing has deeper philosofical implicatuons too. You dont get to choose which natuons laws and authorities you abide by. Like it or not the chinese state has authority and blizzard has to obey it.

    Imagine if every multy national corporation started deciding which goverments they wanted to respect. States are stronger than companies, period. Companies are not made to fight off leviathans.

    I dont expect any company to stand up to china because none can.

    If a brexit person wins a tournament and starts talking about it and the EU preasures blizzard to shut that down I wouldnt begrudge them complaying.

  14. #34
    Real life disappointing me yet again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jshadowhunter View Post
    How far have people fallen... Pleasing authoritarians just go get money.
    Out of curiosity, what did you think corporations (Blizz or otherwise) worry about first and foremost?

    If you truly want to understand the behavior of corporations, you need to start accepting the truth of what corporations do and how they do it.

    Corporations all do the same thing...make profit. Full stop. How they do that is the market that they choose to focus on.

    Most people get this reversed. They think that Blizz's purpose is to make games, and that Apple or Microsoft's purpose is to make software and hardware...but that is simply how.

    Google's "Do No Evil" was removed from their Code of Conduct 1 1/2 years ago because people kept pointing out how they violated that code regularly in their insatiable race for more profit. And this is true for all the corporations.

    Ever notice that more and more movies show China as important and cooperating instead of being one of the dictatorships in this world (which it actually is)? Because Hollywood found that they can make a lot of money there. Blizz has the same relationship...they have been cooperating with that dictatorship because they make good profits being in that market.

    Corporations are never moral. Sometimes their decisions line up morally, but always only when it serves their profit motive.

    Once you understand the reality of corporations, you will rarely be surprised by their decisions.

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    Also this is just another example of why Capitalism is fundamentally broken.
    i mean, the world is pretty much broken. no going back at this point.

  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    Also this is just another example of why Capitalism is fundamentally broken.
    Capitalism itself isn't the problem, it's the aspect of capitalism that can easily lead to greed.
    And if you're gonna suggest socialism/communism are a superior alternative, hate to burst your bubble, but it died in the 90s.
    Otherwise, you'd be no better than the same dictatorship that Blizz is supporting.
    Capitalism isn't perfect, but it's the ONLY economic system that actually functions.
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    I am extremely disappointed in Blizzard for this. They should be embarrassed. They are in the wrong here and deserve all backlash coming their way. I hope there is a lot of it. I hope this story turns into something big and their decision hurts the image of the company as much as it deserves to be. Punishing someone for speaking out against authoritarianism is wrong.

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    This should be the lead post on MMO-Champion, not the content preview of 8.3.

    There was a time this site posted all things blizzard, now it just seems to be a corporate news release aggregation.

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