Classic elitests have ruined it for me.

[Schalde]

The cancer of spell cleave grp my ass. Its hard finding a grp as Hunter.... Guess what i do ... Make my on Damm grp... Works perfectly.. there are people and content for everyone in classic

[Charge me Doctor]

I would 100% say that questing in classic is harder than in live. But not by some obscene amount. It's harder in the sense that you're more likely to die if you pull an extra mob or two, so you need to be a bit more aware of your surroundings...but it's not 'hard' hard just 'harder than retail' hard while questing.

Once you get to level cap I'd say Mythic + and heroic/mythic raids are harder than Classic pve.

The only thing i found harder in classic questing is inconvenience of having to go to darnassus, then ungoro, then back to darnassus and so on.

On live you won't die from pulling extra mobs, mostly because you have all those extra tools at your disposal to deal with them (because everyone have cooldowns now).

I definitely remember dying while leveling 110-120 more often (mostly because of mobs sneaking up on my sorry ass when i have CDs down and low health, or me significantly overestimating my power and trying to battle like 5 mobs at once without cooldowns) than 1-60 on classic (mostly because of unlucky resists or someone training mobs through me. Oh yeah, and that case when i was escorting a night elf in felwood, final mob spawned, aggroed on a rogue who ran into 2 satyrs, then vanished and the mob just wrecked me with instant shadowbolts for 1/4th of my health). Also i find it to be extremely easy to just evade mobs when in danger, because most terrain in the old world are just straight plains

[Misuteri]

I never expected anyone to be BIS, pre-raid or.... ever. I mean I looked at gear but frankly skill > gear in vanilla. You can't itemize/reforge like later editions, hit cap isn't as high, almost everything is primary stat(s) based with hit, crit, pen etc being pretty rare. Warlock sets have spirit, warrior gear has agility so.... yeah. BIS is pretty nonsensical in the first place.

You can't tell me that a D.5 or D1 set should be WORSE than a mismatch of drop and crafted gear.

If a lock showed up to raid in full D.5 or D1 I'd be more than happy to take them. Of course I'd think they were insane for spending the 600g or so to finish the D1 questline when T1 was so much easier to get.

[Clozer]

Imagine to stop playing cause someone else said that you are a noob.

You should stop using the internet - if you are offended by stuff like this.

[Donald Hellscream]

Just tell them to go fuck themselves for being a bunch of tryhards.

[Specialka]

You can, and do it effectively but you need to know what to use and how to gear it properly. For example If you are trying to DPS as a Paladin and you are using Seal of Command you are already doing it wrong.

What do you mean effectively? Obv, the content in vanilla is so easy you do not need a lot of dps but if by effectively, you mean like a war fury or even warlock, lol ok how about no?

[lummiuster]

Well it was a nice 1 month of playing before the inevitable "OmG WhY Do YoU pLaY X SpEc ThIs CoNtEnT iS So hard and needs to be no lifed in 2019 WiTh pERfect BiS cOMP!!"

Also the fact if you're not decked out in tier1 already you're a noob.

Guess what, some people prefer the journey not the destination and actually work now.

Enjoy loot dramas over MC for the next few months while blizz drag their feet to get those subs for quarterly reports and you cant even BG to at least do something outside of the gear grind.

You're just a cry baby. I'm raiding as a feral druid with a guild. Took me very little effort to find a raiding guild even though my spec suck. I have same gear priority as rogues in the group.

[Will]

No one wants to carry your literal half-assed DPS, OP. Even if it's possible.

I think I safely speak for many people here when I say that I'd rather take an average DPS (heck, even a poor DPS) with a nice personality and good manners over a pro elitist any day of the week.

You come across as an elitist. Not everyone is as 'good at the game' as you. Wait, I don't even know if you're any good. Probably not.

[Unholyground]

What do you mean effectively? Obv, the content in vanilla is so easy you do not need a lot of dps but if by effectively, you mean like a war fury or even warlock, lol ok how about no?

As in competitive, as long as you are within 20% of a straight DPS numbers class you are doing really good. If you are an elitist and don't like the other specs there are guilds for that shit, people should not expect everyone to be META based from pserver data. The % of people who actually knew anything proper back in 2005 was absurdly small.

[Specialka]

As in competitive, as long as you are within 20% of a straight DPS numbers class you are doing really good. If you are an elitist and don't like the other specs there are guilds for that shit, people should not expect everyone to be META based from pserver data. The % of people who actually knew anything proper back in 2005 was absurdly small.

Obv, and you do realize that at equal skill, you can't compete with a pure dps as an hybrid (even if we take into account your 20% of difference, hell, we could even say 30% it would not matter)?

[Unholyground]

Obv, and you do realize that at equal skill, you can't compete with a pure dps as an hybrid (even if we take into account your 20% of difference, hell, we could even say 30% it would not matter)?

Ya that is what I am saying, but that is no reason not to take them since you can literally clear every raid except for maybe AQ40 and Naxx with 15-20 people. Not to mention they all bring buffs that make life way easier.

Oh and another note, sustained DPS and burst DPS are very different things and skew DPS meters because of how they track damage.

Damage done VS damage per second. You can still see some hybrid specs do more damage done over the course of a fight.

I will make the new golden rule, if you are going to be an elitist dbag play with your guild and only your guild pretty simple, don't join pug groups or invite pugs. Simple simple simple people.

[kail]

If your playing a bad spec, your feelings won't change that objective fact that it holds the group back. Outside of that from your post, a lot of T1 is not even thaaat great. I'm loving it for a tank warr that just makes MC/Ony even easier to mitigate but I've seen other class bonuses and realize how bad 2005 Blizz designed the gear.

[Sithalos]

if you are decked out in tier1 ure a noob lol.

That gear is so badly itemized

Unless you're a hunter, but yeah.

[Kithelle]

Why would you ever listen to anyone in this MMO for your class/items/destination choices?
If you play less, you are a casual noob, if you play more you are a nolifer.

How did you manage to post 17k postings in 3 years without a thick skin?

Don't think it has anything to do with thick skin and more to do with all of these lies from the vanilla zealots.

Promises like things of tight knit and loving community and that your spec wont matter even if you want to play a Ret Paladin. That Classic will usher in a new age for Warcraft and bring back what has been missing all of these years. I and others said it was a bunch of BS and it will never happen...things have changed in 10-15 years...

That everyone will hold hands in a circle and sing (Which is ironic as people are bitching that the exact thing is actually kind happening in the WoW story) but it was all a lie. Even when content is faceroll people will still care about optimizing. That bringing back a old game isn't going to magically bring back a old community.

[vsb]

Normal players are still leveling. You are hardcore and dealing with hardcore players. That's source of your problem. If you're casual player, wait few months and then join casual inclusive guild. I'm quite hardcore myself, but I only got to 40 level.

[Kaver]

Well it was a nice 1 month of playing before the inevitable "OmG WhY Do YoU pLaY X SpEc ThIs CoNtEnT iS So hard and needs to be no lifed in 2019 WiTh pERfect BiS cOMP!!"

Also the fact if you're not decked out in tier1 already you're a noob.

Guess what, some people prefer the journey not the destination and actually work now.

Enjoy loot dramas over MC for the next few months while blizz drag their feet to get those subs for quarterly reports and you cant even BG to at least do something outside of the gear grind.

Find people with the same mindset as you to play with and stop telling other people how to act. If I don’t want a Ret pala in my group then it is my choice. People like you can then choose not to play with me if they have a problem with that.

[Xalvia]

Well it was a nice 1 month of playing before the inevitable "OmG WhY Do YoU pLaY X SpEc ThIs CoNtEnT iS So hard and needs to be no lifed in 2019 WiTh pERfect BiS cOMP!!"

Also the fact if you're not decked out in tier1 already you're a noob.

Guess what, some people prefer the journey not the destination and actually work now.

Enjoy loot dramas over MC for the next few months while blizz drag their feet to get those subs for quarterly reports and you cant even BG to at least do something outside of the gear grind.

hf in retail boy

[quite an expert in wow]

n00b `'

[Phuongvi]

I don’t know what is more elitist, these guys telling you that you’re late in the content or you, crying your life in a forum because you’re taking this shit personnal.

Fuck them , fuck off, you have your priorities.
Me ? I just start 4 days ago, I came back for the Brewfest mount and I still have 19 days to kill.

Relax, i rolled on a pve realm, i can take a 10 min break to take a dump, no stress of getting gank and no guild «obligations» , you know, just hitting my head over a rock in The Barren with Chuck Norris.

[Claitraith]

As others have said, these people have always existed in wow. These are also traits that exist in the real work. There is always in wow, a suitable play style for you to enjoy and others to enjoy it with.

Have other people cleared MC and got lucky enough to get decked out in full T1? Yes, they have. Am I decked out in full T1 with clearance, hell no. I am 6/9 with one epic and enjoying the game with others. There is no push to have certain gear, spec or race. I know this because I lead the raids and the fact of being a casual player in comparison to others doesn't bother me one bit because the game is meant to be played how you want to enjoy it.