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  1. #521
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilija View Post
    Was the part behind the "?" really nesseccary? I am busy doing adult things as well but somehow this context reached me and tbh it's quite old news.

    Sorry I missed this comment. It was necessary to gauge the intellectual honesty of the individual that I am engaging with. My statement could be taken as a gaft (which I am okay with; While I did not intend, nor am I implying that they were a child, I was implying that keeping up with irrelevant news is not something that responsible adults do), but an intellectually honest person would answer my question, then comment on the gaft (which i would of promptly apologize for). Someone who's only interested in spewing their uninformed opinions would seize that as an opportunity to attack my character. Noticed how the individual in question attempting to absolutely slam my character, and did not try to answer my comment until after I pointed out to them that they spent over an hour arguing about nothing but didn't answer my question.

    Also, while atm what China does doesn't influence most of us, if we let them get off with small things they will start influencing us on big things before we know it.
    I don't think it should be up to any corporation to attempt to play world police and slap countries on their wrist; that should exclusively be the domain of governments. Companies should remain amoral, and apolitical. That is my opinion (do it's not fact, and it's not a hill i am willing to die upon, though its a hill I am willing to climb)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralgarog View Post
    What am I supposed to be reading here? It is possible that I am misunderstanding what I am looking for. Can you please tell me the point of you linking that comment?
    This is a screenshot of an American team doing the same thing blitzchung has done and no action from Blizzard was taken.

    I believe you are confusing an "incomplete dataset" with a "context free dataset". Those are two completely different things. Literally every single crime scene is an incomplete dataset, for example. You don't need "all the data" to make an informed conclusion. You just require specific data points sampled from controlled areas.
    Ok, I'll put it this way. You ask as you would think that you have enough data to make an informed conclusion but your words so far are showing you are lacking important data points.

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    i wonder how many comments got deleted already and people banned from this site for saying the phrase

  4. #524
    Bobby Kotick is linked to Esptein, need I say more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julmara View Post
    i wonder how many comments got deleted already and people banned from this site for saying the phrase
    what phrase?

  6. #526
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilija View Post
    I would have given you one. But seeing your attitude I really don't feel like doing that.
    You are implying that KronoFett is your troll account. I thought those were against the rules.

    Whatever you think about the majority of users of this forum, applying that to each and every user will not lead you far and will put yourself in the bad light making people unwilling to treat you seriously or give you any courtesy. You will get the same treatment you give people.
    I actually don't care. If they are free to spew their uninformed opinions, I am free to spew my informed ones (within reason)
    Last edited by Ralgarog; 2019-10-12 at 11:27 AM.

  7. #527
    Quote Originally Posted by Delekii View Post
    Context matters. It always will, unavoidably.

    Situation 1: a half blind grandma crosses the road, not realising there is a crossing 10 feet to the left.
    Situation 2: a cocky 20 year old shithead looks at the crossing, looks at the cops, looks at the crossing, smirks, and crosses where he is.

    Both parties have "broken the rules" in the same exact way, despite the context being entirely different. The outcomes wouldnt, and SHOULDN'T be same, because we expect police to make judgment calls in such cases. If the cop issued the first lady a fine, you'd wonder why the hell we pay them, despite the fact he was just following the law.

    The same is true here. Nobody is saying they didn't break the rules. The punishment is not commensurate with the crime, if any was called for at all. The initial action taken, and the wording supportingit, showed clear motive that does not support the information now being given. The punishment as it stands is a clear message to China; "please don't spank us, see, we're for you!". The single defining motivation, which was decidedly absent from Brack's letter, is money.

    I dont begrudge companies their need to make money. Don't pretend you'retrying to invoke world peace instead when you take actions to get there.
    I would think the cops should fine that old lady as rules are supposed to be always followed if person signs and agrees officially to follow them then the rule punishment should be ALWAYS enforced or if its law then too law is supposed to be always enforced.

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    what a fuckwit

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    On a side note...

    Most of the people angry about this probably didn't know and don't give two shits about what was happening in China before this. For me, my girlfriends grand parents live in Hong Kong, I been apart of it for what feels like ages. And while you have every right to be mad at Blizzard, it seems very hypercritical that it's just Blizzard you should be mad at.

    For me this seems like another Blizzard hate train than any human rights issue, because if you people gave a shit about this subject this would have been a fire topic long ago. Yet it takes about knowing about one large greedy corporation for you to care, yet many more corporations have been this way for years and no mention at all.

    Also anyone doing a #boycottblizzard right now, are the biggest hypocrites of all. If you had any idea what other large corporations have been doing regarding human rights, you'll all be hermits living in the woods, hunting deer and picking berries for sustenance

    so yea, be mad at Blizzard, but also be mad at so many others too, if you started caring about Hong Kong and China today, then welcome, enjoy your stay and do some research, you might wanna start in 1842, or 2003 if you wanna get to the gritting ban law.

  10. #530
    Quote Originally Posted by Djuntas View Post
    Bobby Kotick is linked to Esptein, need I say more.
    is it definite? I've only seen people claiming it and "alleged" being thrown around, no real proof.
    Reason why I ask is because I want Bobby to go down.

  11. #531
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilija View Post
    This is a screenshot of an American team doing the same thing blitzchung has done and no action from Blizzard was taken.
    1) That was completely unrelated to my comment. I asked a specific question, phrased in a specific context. I asked for an example of X, and you gave me 293. Sure, 293 could be mapped to one of the letters of the alphabet, but that manifests in this misunderstanding you are seeing now.

    2) Those are not the same. If you do not understand the difference between those two events, I doubt there is any amount of convincing that I could do to show you how dissimilar those events are.

    Would you like for me to describe why those, though they seem similar, are completely dissimilar, and only superficially similar?

    Ok, I'll put it this way. You ask as you would think that you have enough data to make an informed conclusion but your words so far are showing you are lacking important data points.
    Rewording or rephrasing an incorrect assertion still result in an incorrect assertion. You don't get to decide what the "Important data points" are. Because for people like you, those will always happen to coincide with your personal opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    On a side note...

    Most of the people angry about this probably didn't know and don't give two shits about what was happening in China before this. For me, my girlfriends grand parents live in Hong Kong, I been apart of it for what feels like ages. And while you have every right to be mad at Blizzard, it seems very hypercritical that it's just Blizzard you should be mad at.

    For me this seems like another Blizzard hate train than any human rights issue, because if you people gave a shit about this subject this would have been a fire topic long ago. Yet it takes about knowing about one large greedy corporation for you to care, yet many more corporations have been this way for years and no mention at all.

    Also anyone doing a #boycottblizzard right now, are the biggest hypocrites of all. If you had any idea what other large corporations have been doing regarding human rights, you'll all be hermits living in the woods, hunting deer and picking berries for sustenance

    so yea, be mad at Blizzard, but also be mad at so many others too, if you started caring about Hong Kong and China today, then welcome, enjoy your stay and do some research, you might wanna start in 1842, or 2003 if you wanna get to the gritting ban law.
    I hope your gf's relatives are safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terongor View Post
    Alot of people in china support actions in hong kong and some other people like actor of mulan in disneys new live action Mulan who btw lives in USA, if not all people think the same its divisive.

    though I don't support what happens in hong kong though if you are using any products which was made in china and don't give to charity to support Hong Kong you are supporting China.

    So if china through blizzard and any other western channels keep abusing free speech right outside their country you should suck it up.
    Suck up any abuse because hey your tv parts are made in china lolz. What stupid reasoning is that?
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  13. #533
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    what phrase?
    This made me laugh out loud. (Contextually)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    On a side note...

    Most of the people angry about this probably didn't know and don't give two shits about what was happening in China before this. For me, my girlfriends grand parents live in Hong Kong, I been apart of it for what feels like ages. And while you have every right to be mad at Blizzard, it seems very hypercritical that it's just Blizzard you should be mad at.

    For me this seems like another Blizzard hate train than any human rights issue, because if you people gave a shit about this subject this would have been a fire topic long ago. Yet it takes about knowing about one large greedy corporation for you to care, yet many more corporations have been this way for years and no mention at all.

    Also anyone doing a #boycottblizzard right now, are the biggest hypocrites of all. If you had any idea what other large corporations have been doing regarding human rights, you'll all be hermits living in the woods, hunting deer and picking berries for sustenance

    so yea, be mad at Blizzard, but also be mad at so many others too, if you started caring about Hong Kong and China today, then welcome, enjoy your stay and do some research, you might wanna start in 1842, or 2003 if you wanna get to the gritting ban law.
    Exactly, there is no furor over Apple, Disney, ESPN and many other companies.. What is more interesting though is that Apple have supposedly done things that are far worse than what Blizzard have done, but no one is going into riot mode at Apple over what they and other companies have done..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralgarog View Post



    I hope your gf's relatives are safe.

    Thank you very much. Never expected a positive well wish on this forum <3

  16. #536
    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    On a side note...

    Most of the people angry about this probably didn't know and don't give two shits about what was happening in China before this. For me, my girlfriends grand parents live in Hong Kong, I been apart of it for what feels like ages. And while you have every right to be mad at Blizzard, it seems very hypercritical that it's just Blizzard you should be mad at.
    It's not about Hong Kong. It's about Blizzard being hypocrits. They pretend to have values, but really only care about money.

  17. #537
    Posted at 5pm when reporters and journalsits are usually out of the office really shady there. Oh and the middle part is the best, where they still make it obvious that China now runs them.

  18. #538
    Quote Originally Posted by THEORACLE64 View Post
    As a lawyer, you would know that Blizzard will have signed contracts with them and will have ToS in place. Part of those rules will be part of those ToS, thus any breaking of said ToS results in punishment. It's the same as being punished by an employer for breaking company rules - they're allowed to set them as long as they remain within the law. Are you sure you're a lawyer and not just a first year uni student or something.
    I did not say that it was in any way illegal. Of course the contracts are legally binding. I was simply saying that the term "rule" really does not apply to stipulations that say "We can do whatever we want for any reason we want". A rule would have been something like "No political speech".

    There was no actual rule in place for the situation that happened other than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    Thank you very much. Never expected a positive well wish on this forum <3
    Would love to take credit for that but that is Ralgarogs post..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trekkie View Post
    It's not about Hong Kong. It's about Blizzard being hypocrits. They pretend to have values, but really only care about money.
    Thank you for proving my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by grexly75 View Post
    Would love to take credit for that but that is Ralgarogs post..
    I changed it thanks don;t know what happened there :S

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