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    Quote Originally Posted by therealbowser View Post
    I wasn't going to respond to this thread (was just curious about the topic, it's been popular lately), but then I saw this gem of a post.

    Please tell me that you're serious in that you can't see how this is ironic. That would make this perfect!

    I mean, if you can't see how posting "don't bring politics to gaming" in a gaming forum with a political signature pushing to impeach the president isn't ironic, that's comedy gold. Thanks!
    No I completely understand the ''irony'' about it that people think they see. It's low hanging fruit for me to quickly see who is a bit simple really in that if I go to a venue then that venue is not for me to change into whatever 'message' or cause I feel is worthy. If Blizz wants to have an LGBT themed tournament then that is their prerogative, and if MMO-C wants to allow for political signatures on their site then that is also their prerogative, but what isn't right is going to an event with false pretenses to further push your agenda against the wishes of the company that allowed you to be a part of their big platform. I have never said to keep politics out of video games in general , nor have I ever said that we should keep politics out of everything, only that you shouldn't hijack somebody else's platform to push your agenda, regardless of what it may be.

    Everybody that has said something similar to you has been the real comedy gold and I thank my sig for showcasing how many are ready to take that low-hanging fruit lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by h4rr0d View Post
    They started the trend themselved when they acknowledged LGBT agenda. This is nothing more than continuation of that. Where would you draw the line?
    The line is if you are the one in charge of the venue/event then you are the one who is allowed to make it political or not. You do not have that right if you are just some player who was invited by the people paying the bills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muajin76 View Post
    What does that sentence mean? *Don't do Blitzchung*
    Don't express political statements during live events or interviews.

    Riot Games is owned by Tencent so this doesn't surprise me.

    I also wouldn't be surprised if similar sentiments are being circulated internally at other eSports-centric games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    Is there any controversy surrounding his statement? If I were to say Nazis are bad would that be inappropriate? Its universally accepted whats going on in Hong Kong is wrong so I don't really see it as anything but stating facts.
    How he did it was wrong. He himself admitted that much I don't get how people can still defend that at this point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    Tbf Human Rights *aren't* a thing globally. If anything they are "Western Citizen" Rights.
    I'm pretty sure many would disagree with you on *human rights aren't a global thing* statement. :P
    I hightly doubt it's a western thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paraka View Post
    Though I find the amusing where the double standards are, them wanting a "political free" environment and Trade Chat still being outright inundated with that talk is ironic.
    Most 'political' talk in trade chat is just trolls trying to get a rise out of people cuz they know how passionate most get when politics is brought up, especially these days which just further proves my point in to why companies would rather politics stay out of their events/tournaments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    When developers put money ahead of ethics, you know the gaming industry is fucked. They all seem to only care about those sweet China bucks rather than doing the right thing. They are so afraid of pissing off the Chinese that they won't be ethical in allowing players freedom of speech. Fuck China and fuck greed
    Free speech on a platform that isn't yours? Ethics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilithvia View Post
    Ironic. Very ironic, coming from you.
    Do I know you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Do I know you?
    "Don't bring politics into muh gaming discussions"
    *Brings political banner into said discussion in the form of his sig*
    Everybody complains that they have to grind for ONE allied race when they have pathfinder unlocked. I've unlocked four without pathfinder. What's your excuse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    I'm gonna ignore your conjecture and focus on this bit here. You honestly think that some limp-neck nerds holding signs or yelling lines at an esports event is going to cause Hina to fundamentally change their governing style?
    Did you think some black men holding black gloved fists up at the Olympics would help change a government? Because it did, and esports today have as much reach as the Olympics did in the 60s.

    There is nothing wrong with using your platform to protest, even if it comes with punishment. This is how change happens in the world in case you skipped your history classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Most 'political' talk in trade chat is just trolls trying to get a rise out of people cuz they know how passionate most get when politics is brought up, especially these days which just further proves my point in to why companies would rather politics stay out of their events/tournaments.
    Then they should encourage that by restricting it on their games, since the platforms surrounding it have stricter regime against political talk unless it's LGBT. This is hypocrisy if they don't, and trolling doesn't excuse it.

    Hell, cannot wait to see Riot make a rainbow flag posts next June, cause pretty certain this will come up. This ain't going away anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Oh no, it might hurt the company's ability to profit from kowtowing to a dictatorship.
    its their company they make their own rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilithvia View Post
    "Don't bring politics into muh gaming discussions"
    *Brings political banner into said discussion in the form of his sig*
    Pls read post #280 I can't be bothered to explain the same simple point over and over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muajin76 View Post
    I'm pretty sure many would disagree with you on *human rights aren't a global thing* statement. :P
    I hightly doubt it's a western thing.
    you would be wrong, as human rights are not a real thing. that is factual. by being born you do not get these magical powers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Pls read post #280 I can't be bothered to explain the same simple point over and over.
    Please read MMO-C survival guide, tip #154:
    You make an ironic post, expect people to point out how it's ironic.
    Everybody complains that they have to grind for ONE allied race when they have pathfinder unlocked. I've unlocked four without pathfinder. What's your excuse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Did you think some black men holding black gloved fists up at the Olympics would help change a government? Because it did, and esports today have as much reach as the Olympics did in the 60s.

    There is nothing wrong with using your platform to protest, even if it comes with punishment. This is how change happens in the world in case you skipped your history classes.
    See that's actually a decent point that I find hard to counter. It's a very hard line to walk really if you want to allow it for some, but not others. What causes are worthy of being 'allowed' to break the rules in order to push that agenda? Hong Kong and China I would argue is one of those topics sure, but the problem is if one is allowed then that opens the flood gates for every dumb idiot out there to try and push his/her agenda, regardless of it's importance which would only lead to a lot of frustration and plummeting viewership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilithvia View Post
    Please read MMO survival guide, tip #154:
    You make an ironic post, expect people to point out how it's ironic.
    So I take it you refuse to read it then? Then you aren't worth more time good day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gasparde View Post
    Yea, because the gaming community isn't as racist as it is sexist or homophobic.

    But sure, let's treat all of this differently... because calling out for human rights in China is completely different than calling out for human rights for women, gays or basically any race on this planet. I totally get your point. Talking about China is just silly in that context - why should wait for the official international freedom-for-China day before we're being allowed to monetize out empathy for China by buying tons tons FREE///CHINA merch.
    The gaming community is mostly honest and blunt, while it also loves to provoke for the shits and giggles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paraka View Post
    Then they should encourage that by restricting it on their games, since the platforms surrounding it have stricter regime against political talk unless it's LGBT. This is hypocrisy if they don't, and trolling doesn't excuse it.

    Hell, cannot wait to see Riot make a rainbow flag posts next June, cause pretty certain this will come up. This ain't going away anytime soon.
    I don't see that as hypocrisy really as how can you effectively enforce such a rule in a mmo with millions of players at any given moment. You would need active GMs doing nothing, but monitor all forms of public chat 24/7 for each individual server and that really isn't a viable option I imagine.

    I agree with you though in the sense that they should try to be more consistent about it in their products as well as in their events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    No I completely understand the ''irony'' about it that people think they see. It's low hanging fruit for me to quickly see who is a bit simple really in that if I go to a venue then that venue is not for me to change into whatever 'message' or cause I feel is worthy. If Blizz wants to have an LGBT themed tournament then that is their prerogative, and if MMO-C wants to allow for political signatures on their site then that is also their prerogative, but what isn't right is going to an event with false pretenses to further push your agenda against the wishes of the company that allowed you to be a part of their big platform. I have never said to keep politics out of video games in general , nor have I ever said that we should keep politics out of everything, only that you shouldn't hijack somebody else's platform to push your agenda, regardless of what it may be.

    Everybody that has said something similar to you has been the real comedy gold and I thank my sig for showcasing how many are ready to take that low-hanging fruit lol.
    Hey, if your bait of a signature gives you a chuckle then more power to you. If you think it makes you feel superior over other people because people call you out on it, welp... that's a personal problem, and one I don't plan on addressing in any sort of detail. Good luck with that.

    But the fact you are calling people out for putting political messages in gaming, while using a political based signature on a gaming forum is ironic at best, and hypocritical at worst. So which is it? Are you posting that to be a hypocrite, or are you bluntly ignorant to that fact you are being one? Pick one; you cannot have your cake and eat it, too, in this scenario.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Oblivion View Post
    you would be wrong, as human rights are not a real thing. that is factual. by being born you do not get these magical powers.
    So I take it you'd gladly take people treating you like dog crap?
    Everybody complains that they have to grind for ONE allied race when they have pathfinder unlocked. I've unlocked four without pathfinder. What's your excuse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muajin76 View Post
    I'm pretty sure many would disagree with you on *human rights aren't a global thing* statement. :P
    I hightly doubt it's a western thing.
    You can doubt all you want. But when People talk about "human Rights" they are 99% of the time talking about the "rights" they have in the Western Country they are from.

    Very few non-Western Countries have the same Human Rights that Western Countries do. They may have a few but rarely do they cover the entire spectrum. It's the reason Western Countries are so highly sought after to immigrate to.

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