Texas police officer fatally shoots woman in her home after welfare check

[dubious_doomhammer]

I do not think anyone in this thread has justified it. Who has?

It's been less than a day .. give it some time for them to find out she has a marijuana conviction or something that will make it look like she deserved to be shot.

[united]

I do not think anyone in this thread has justified it. Who has?

You’re sitting there saying that where she lives matters when it doesn’t—train the police to stop being so terrible, period. The game’s saying “why do we have 2 threads on this topic” as if the issue of a cop going to an innocent woman’s home and shooting her dead for no reason means nothing.

I’m tired of the downplaying, and the need to play devil’s advocate. The devil doesn’t need an advocate. Just for once admit that the police did wrong, that they messed up. No ifs buts or anything else. American law enforcement needs a complete overhaul, starting with confronting some very real issues that still plague this country.

[Ghostpanther]

You’re sitting there saying that where she lives matters when it doesn’t—train the police to stop being so terrible, period. The game’s saying “why do we have 2 threads on this topic” as if the issue of a cop going to an innocent woman’s home and shooting her dead for no reason means nothing.

I’m tired of the downplaying, and the need to play devil’s advocate. The devil doesn’t need an advocate. Just for once admit that the police did wrong, that they messed up. No ifs buts or anything else. American law enforcement needs a complete overhaul, starting with confronting some very real issues that still plague this country.

I said in a earlier post, the cop messed up bad. I am not defending him at all. But stating that your chances of getting shot in some areas of Chicago, Baltimore, and other high crime cities is a statistical fact. You are more apt to coming in contact with not only criminals, but police who deal with them.

And I agree better training for police and more strict enforcement of the laws, are needed. But I was referencing one reason I do not fear the police where I live. Living in a rural area helps.

This officer in this case, needs to be punished. And the department he works for, condemned for a lack of better training, if they are found to be at fault. You might train a person what is right and legal, but that in itself is no guarantee the person will always do what is right. I found that out being in the Army for 3 years.

[ohtlmtlm]

I realize that, unfortunately, race is probably a factor ... I just don't understand how the cop could have known whether the person inside was white, black, or anything in between with how fast he shot.



Isn't that why castle doctrine exists? She was allowed to be armed and use a gun for her own safety, in her own house?

most neighborhoods have a racial majority. The initial caller, and the victim were both African American.

[Ghostpanther]

It's been less than a day .. give it some time for them to find out she has a marijuana conviction or something that will make it look like she deserved to be shot.

The family of the victim should get a large settlement. Even if she pointed the firearm at him, she was inside her own home! And it does not sound like the police had made their presence known well enough.

[the game]

You’re sitting there saying that where she lives matters when it doesn’t—train the police to stop being so terrible, period. The game’s saying “why do we have 2 threads on this topic” as if the issue of a cop going to an innocent woman’s home and shooting her dead for no reason means nothing.

I’m tired of the downplaying, and the need to play devil’s advocate. The devil doesn’t need an advocate. Just for once admit that the police did wrong, that they messed up. No ifs buts or anything else. American law enforcement needs a complete overhaul, starting with confronting some very real issues that still plague this country.

So it's defending the cop now to say that we don't need 2 threads for the same incident? I love how you gloss over the part where I said this doesn't look good for the cop too.

[dubious_doomhammer]

The family of the victim should get a large settlement. Even if she pointed the firearm at him, she was inside her own home! And it does not sound like the police had made their presence known well enough.

Botham Jean was in his own apartment when he was killed, they tried to make it a point he had pot inside his home, as if that was some justification for what the cop did. They ALWAYS do that, try to make the victim into the bad guy.

I'm sure her family would rather she be alive than receive a large settlement ... and why is the default some monetary value to the victims family rather than fixing the problem with guns and fixing the problem with police?

[Endus]

Botham Jean was in his own apartment when he was killed, they tried to make it a point he had pot inside his home, as if that was some justification for what the cop did. They ALWAYS do that, try to make the victim into the bad guy.

I'm sure her family would rather she be alive than receive a large settlement ... and why is the default some monetary value to the victims family rather than fixing the problem with guns and fixing the problem with police?

In general, because the courts can apply a monetary penalty, but have no real capacity to engage in oversight to ensure the police department in question addressed the training issue.

Ideally, it should be such a high penalty that departments would choose to fire shitbird cowards rather than employ them as dangerous loose cannons who'll "accidentally" kill an innocent like this.

Because let's be clear; these officers are cowards. That's why they shoot. Because they're panicking and afraid and their first reaction is murder.

[Moadar]

In general, because the courts can apply a monetary penalty, but have no real capacity to engage in oversight to ensure the police department in question addressed the training issue.

Ideally, it should be such a high penalty that departments would choose to fire shitbird cowards rather than employ them as dangerous loose cannons who'll "accidentally" kill an innocent like this.

Because let's be clear; these officers are cowards. That's why they shoot. Because they're panicking and afraid and their first reaction is murder.

Getting rid of shit cops is nearly impossible. A local PD hired a cop that's been fired 4 times for sexual misconduct. He never got charged with anything so he just kept hopping from job to job. Well guess what he did again? He pulled over a girl and said if she shows her tits he will let her off and if not this will destroy her driving record. So she does it and he takes pictures. She tells her parents. She was also only 16. Her parents are affluent enough to cause problems so now after all his bs he is finally going to pay the piper.

That's one example. It's not unheard of in law enforcement for these types of guys to get work after major screw ups. Just about everyone that has worked in the system knows a good few people that shouldnt be there.

[Temp name]

Apparently the officer was only on the force for 18 months. Sounds like very untrained. Especially since they only go to the academy for like 21 weeks, less than 6 months.

Hold the fuck up.. 21 weeks? That's all the education police get there? In my country it takes 28 MONTHS to get educated as police. And that's not swat or whatever, that's standard street cop

[Flutterguy]

Looks like suicide by cop to me. She was found with a gun which may explain why the officer reacted so quickly after he told her to show her hands. If she pointed the gun at him, he had no choice but to fire. I guess some want to argue that police shouldn't be allowed to fire unless they've already been fired upon, but that has consequences like dead officers.

[Calfredd]

Looks like suicide by cop to me. She was found with a gun which may explain why the officer reacted so quickly after he told her to show her hands. If she pointed the gun at him, he had no choice but to fire. I guess some want to argue that police shouldn't be allowed to fire unless they've already been fired upon, but that has consequences like dead officers.

I don't understand why some people have to play contrarian for threads like these. Also given the circumstances a dead officer would still be marginally better than another person killed in their own home.

[Flutterguy]

I don't understand why some people have to play contrarian for threads like these. Also given the circumstances a dead officer would still be marginally better than another person killed in their own home.

Not contrarian at all. It's sad that people place so little value in law enforcement, that is until they need them of course.

[Orbitus]

Hold the fuck up.. 21 weeks? That's all the education police get there? In my country it takes 28 MONTHS to get educated as police. And that's not swat or whatever, that's standard street cop

Yep, I got my information from this: https://work.chron.com/long-train-cop-21366.html

They have a couple different locations they referenced. One, 21 weeks, one 22 week,s and one 6 months, which is still only 24 weeks. I wish it would be like yours, where people are trained more extensively to be a cop, than say a barber.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/us/jo...rnd/index.html
620 hours in North Carolina for training to be a cop, to be a barber, 1528 hours.

664 hours in California to be a cop, 1600 hours for a put on people's makeup, aka Cosmetologist.

770 hours in Florida to be a cop, 1760 hours to be a interior decorator.

900 hours in Massachusetts to be a cop, 1000 hours to fix refrigerators.

594 hours in Michigan to be a cop, 4000 hours to be a License Electrical Sign Specialist, whatever the fuck that is.

360 hours in Louisiana to be a cop, 500 hours to paint peoples fucking nails.


Someone that cuts hair, is trained more extensively than a fucking guy that deals with criminals every day of the week. Such bullshit.

[Xyonai]

Not contrarian at all. It's sad that people place so little value in law enforcement, that is until they need them of course.

It comes across as needlessly contrarian when the evidence we have suggests she was given near no time to actually react to the demands of the unannounced officer before he fired at her through her window.

It's like blaming someone for getting hit by a car when they were on a crosswalk and the guy in the car had taken a turn at 40 over the speed limit.

[draynay]

Looks like

You say this, but everything that follows is stuff that you have imagined... "Looks like" would make someone think you saw something to support this scenario, rather than completely fabricated it, but fabrication is what you did.

[Zaktar]

It comes across as needlessly contrarian when the evidence we have suggests she was given near no time to actually react to the demands of the unannounced officer before he fired at her through her window.

It's like blaming someone for getting hit by a car when they were on a crosswalk and the guy in the car had taken a turn at 40 over the speed limit.

What it is seems pretty blatant.

- Ignoring obvious evidence - check
- Presented in an inflammatory manner - check
- Partisan hot button issue - check

Sure looks like a duck.

[dubious_doomhammer]

Looks like suicide by cop to me. She was found with a gun which may explain why the officer reacted so quickly after he told her to show her hands. If she pointed the gun at him, he had no choice but to fire. I guess some want to argue that police shouldn't be allowed to fire unless they've already been fired upon, but that has consequences like dead officers.

Concerned neighbor calls police because their neighbors door is open. Police arrive, creep around, whisper, dont make their presence known ... but ... suicide by cop. How did she know it was the police, and not someone breaking into their home ... but suicide by cop ... you should probably remove that red hat, probably restricting bloodflow to your brain or something with that outlook on reality.

Risk comes with the job, and I'm not saying its easy ... but if the only instinct is to shoot, then they shouldn't be cops, period.

Not contrarian at all. It's sad that people place so little value in law enforcement, that is until they need them of course.

Why should people place any value on a system that has no legal responsibility to protect them?

[Xyonai]

What it is seems pretty blatant.

- Ignoring obvious evidence - check
- Presented in an inflammatory manner - check
- Partisan hot button issue - check

Sure looks like a duck.

My thoughts exactly, but so as long as this doesn't turn into another thread derailed by the quacking of a duck, I think some simple corrections like this are safe enough to humor it with before we continue this discussion like adults and leave it alone.

[Cizr]

That bodycam footage is pretty disturbing. The cop fucked up hard .