Texas police officer fatally shoots woman in her home after welfare check

[Flutterguy]

The fucker shoots without knowing their target??? That's grounds for murder!

That's what he's being charged with.

[Temp name]

That's actually more than usual. The average is 19 weeks and ranges from 10 weeks (Georgia) to 22 weeks (California)

More details on training duration and what it contains.

Also note you have utter nutcases like Dave Grossman doing basically extracurricular "training" for police.

That is honestly disgusting. Both parts.

I thought 28 months was a bit little, but how you guys can even consider feeling safe when the police have just 10 weeks of training before being sent out on the street, armed, with people saying stuff like that to them during training is.. Something I don't understand.

[Pannonian]

Yeah, I’ve had conversations with my kids about always listening/following cops instructions and to always keep your hands where they can see them, and not to reach for your purse to show them your ID unless they ask. I’ve also told them to tell the cops your movements and why: “I’m getting my wallet out of my purse like you asked” etc. Be clear. Be calm. Move slow. Be loud so they can hear you.

I’ve also said it may be best to just hand them the purse to retrieve the ID themselves cause they may get nervous seeing you digging in your purse.

It’s sad.

Honestly,

If you have to tell your kids to remain calm and very cautious in regard to the police, the people who are out there to protect them... then I'd say there is a serious problem.

Teenagers need to be calm and de-escalating in their presence to not get shot. That's sad.

[Zaktar]

Honestly,

If you have to tell your kids to remain calm and very cautious in regard to the police, the people who are out there to protect them... then I'd say there is a serious problem.

Teenagers need to be calm and de-escalating in their presence to not get shot. That's sad.

It's a good idea to remain calm and cautious with any armed person who has legal authority to kill you under certain conditions, irrespective of their level of training. Maybe you shouldn't have to, but it will always be wise.

[Pannonian]

It's a good idea to remain calm and cautious with any armed person who has legal authority to kill you under certain conditions, irrespective of their level of training. Maybe you shouldn't have to, but it will always be wise.

Honestly, most of the interactions i had with the police - getting mugged, getting my flat flooded - i was in need of getting calmed, not the other way round.

Imagine: I was mugged and blood was running down my whole face, and i have to try to calm myself before speaking to the police, because otherwise i risk getting shot at?

If you think that is normal, the problem is maybe even bigger.

[Zaktar]

Honestly, most of the interactions i had with the police - getting mugged, getting my flat flooded - i was in need of getting calmed, not the other way round.

Imagine: I was mugged and blood was running down my whole face, and i have to try to calm myself before speaking to the police, because otherwise i risk getting shot at?

If you think that is normal, the problem is maybe even bigger.

Think about it from another perspective. If you're a victim, you don't need to worry about much. We're not talking about not being frightened/discombobulated, we're talking about not getting aggressive. When the police came to my home after I was mugged, I didn't worry about it much either. When they pull me over however, it's a different story.

Traffic stops are a good example, since they're dangerous for police. They have to be alert because there is a genuine risk of being shot, which means getting agitated or making foolishly risky decisions like moving your hands out of view too quickly can escalate what should be a bland situation. Not to say a minor error should cost someone their life, I fully agree that well trained police should be a source of calm, and support more/better training for police. Just saying that if you're not aware that there is a risk when you deal with an armed person, you're being naive.

Anyway please don't take this to mean I support what happened in the incident at hand. It's a tragedy and the officer in question deserves punishment, and the system which produced him needs to be reformed.

[dubious_doomhammer]

Said it might have been and it was more plausible than he was a racist itching to go out and kill a black person as soon as possible that I've been hearing. All we know now is the gun she had wasn't in play. We know he shot her. That's it. We have no motive at this time. We'll learn as the process moves on what happened. But this jump to racial motivation is premature unless you got information I don't.

I'd make a very large wager that what happened, would have happened much differently if it was in a predominantly white area, rather than a predominantly black area.

Her owning a gun is irrelevant as was pointed out many times in this thread. She was in her own home and perfectly within her rights to defend herself with it.

There was zero motive. Scared cop, not enough and/or poor training.

I didn't say there was racial motivation as in "hey, there's a black person, im gonna kill her" ... but there's definitely a difference in how authority figures treat black people compared to white people. You deny there's racial disparity in the US?

[Orbitus]

Hopefully he gets atleast 10-20 years for this shit.
From the video it clearly shows him jumping the gun and shooting way to quick.

He should get more, simply because he failed basic requirements as a police officer, I believe they have to identify themselves when they talk try to arrest people. And clearly that didn't happen when he shot. From the little bit of video that I have seen he didn't. Hell, he didn't even give her enough time to put her hands up when he asked for it. This is exactly what happened when Tamir Rice was murdered, but the cop there wasn't prosecuted. Which was bullshit.

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That is honestly disgusting. Both parts.

I thought 28 months was a bit little, but how you guys can even consider feeling safe when the police have just 10 weeks of training before being sent out on the street, armed, with people saying stuff like that to them during training is.. Something I don't understand.

I wish we had training for cops like wherever you are from. You are lucky TBH. But I am also guessing you don't have a lot of open killings by cops there.

[Temp name]

I wish we had training for cops like wherever you are from. You are lucky TBH. But I am also guessing you don't have a lot of open killings by cops there.

Googled it, and it was hard to find the last time police killed ANYONE. Over the last 3 months we've had 3 shootings involving the police, but no one died in any one them.

It's fairly nice living in a country where I don't have to be in constant fear that I'll get shot by armed people with little or no training.
Might also help that guns are basically unheard of, so even if they were as untrained as the US counterparts, they wouldn't have to fear guns around every corner.

[Machismo]

Think about it from another perspective. If you're a victim, you don't need to worry about much. We're not talking about not being frightened/discombobulated, we're talking about not getting aggressive. When the police came to my home after I was mugged, I didn't worry about it much either. When they pull me over however, it's a different story.

Traffic stops are a good example, since they're dangerous for police. They have to be alert because there is a genuine risk of being shot, which means getting agitated or making foolishly risky decisions like moving your hands out of view too quickly can escalate what should be a bland situation. Not to say a minor error should cost someone their life, I fully agree that well trained police should be a source of calm, and support more/better training for police. Just saying that if you're not aware that there is a risk when you deal with an armed person, you're being naive.

Anyway please don't take this to mean I support what happened in the incident at hand. It's a tragedy and the officer in question deserves punishment, and the system which produced him needs to be reformed.

The woman who was shut WAS THE VICTIM.

Se clearly had a lot to worry about.

[Ghostpanther]

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/cr...9Itmt7erP3uSkQ

He is being charged with murder

As he should be. In this case, the evidence is clear he is guilty of reckless homicide. Murder.

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Honestly,

If you have to tell your kids to remain calm and very cautious in regard to the police, the people who are out there to protect them... then I'd say there is a serious problem.

Teenagers need to be calm and de-escalating in their presence to not get shot. That's sad.

But they are not out there to protect anyone. Their job is to enforce the law as per a Supreme Court ruling. Winter Blossom's advice for her children is a smart one.

[zenkai]

Not sure if mentioned, but the officer is being charged with murder.

Good

Yup, it's even quoted in the post above yours.

[arandomuser]

Police are only bad if its the FBI investigating russians, then the police are corrupt, but if they murder people its completely fine

[Sliske]

Imagine being so bad at your job that you literally take out your gun and fire at the first shadow of a human being you see. No ducking down and asking to identify yourself, no calling out to see if its an intruder or the lady herself.

Just, insta BLAP BLAP, like a fucking gang banger.

[zenkai]

Police are only bad if its the FBI investigating russians, then the police are corrupt, but if they murder people its completely fine

Not only was this post devoid of facts and nonsensical but it's also grossly wrong to think the FBI and Police are the same thing.

[Pannonian]

As he should be. In this case, the evidence is clear he is guilty of reckless homicide. Murder.

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But they are not out there to protect anyone. Their job is to enforce the law as per a Supreme Court ruling. Winter Blossom's advice for her children is a smart one.

I'm not arguing against the advice. It's good advice for the US. At the same time i think it's sad that advice of this kind has to be given.

Maybe a mentality thing about power and state enforcement. As in my country the job of the police is very much to protect the population. They are not government goons.

To clarify: I'm not thinking the institution itself is a problem, but the training and the corps mentality. They longer this runs unimpeded, the worse it will get, because by now the police seems to be attractive for people with power fantasies, as for the longest time they seem to get away with it.

[Lodreh]

...I don't see how it could justify shooting someone through a window at their own house.

Quote from your source: "...Officers entered the house and located an individual and a firearm..."

If someone aimed a gun at me through an open window I'd call that justification.

[Calfredd]

Quote from your source: "...Officers entered the house and located an individual and a firearm..."

If someone aimed a gun at me through an open window I'd call that justification.

Castle Doctrine and no identifying as the police means the victim was justified to open fire, not the other way around.

[zenkai]

Quote from your source: "...Officers entered the house and located an individual and a firearm..."

If someone aimed a gun at me through an open window I'd call that justification.

If you're sneaking around someones house at night and don't announce you are police any rational person with a gun would be armed if they saw someone lurking outside their window. On top of that he never gave the person a chance to putt heir hands up. I bet he is one of those assholes who signals a lane change during a lane change and not before.

[Temp name]

Quote from your source: "...Officers entered the house and located an individual and a firearm..."

If someone aimed a gun at me through an open window I'd call that justification.

So you're justified in shooting someone in their own home where they are keeping a legal firearm that they are using because there are suspicious people sneaking around outside who didn't identify themselves as police?

'kay