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  1. #41
    So far all of the Allied Races have been "subspecies" of the current races in WoW.
    Vupera use Goblin Rigging & Animations but they were mentioned as being a subspecies of Kobold. (Not sure how that works because did you know Human beings are more closely related to rats than rats are to dogs or foxes?) As for there being a imbalance of unique races for the Alliance, I think you're forgetting Kul Tirans share a few animations with Zandalari & are diagetically related to humans, are otherwise completely new.

    The actual trend broken in 8.3 is that of gear always being expressed on your model, per Mechagnomes being the main arguement against Naga. Naga are a good potential new allied race. They might not have animations based on an already playable race, but they do have a full expression of animations already in game. And all new races after this point will likely be allied races because it lets blizzard skip making a 1-20 leveling zone for them.

    Now, since the pre-order for BFA including 8 new races (4 available immediately) we have many strong candidates already. I originally assumed Vulpera & Mechagnomes would be part of them, but Blizzard surprised me there.

    Forsaken Night Elves: People have been asking for Forsaken Blood Elves for years & like with void elves, it seems they want to give us ^something similar^ to what we want.
    Gilgoblin & Ankoan: They even have their own factions ready to grind.
    Mogu: Apparently the two new Factions to grind in 8.3 is Wrathion's, and a group of Helpful Mogu
    Eredar: Yeah, they sided with the Burning Legion, but now they're homeless.
    Tuskaar: The old Pandarian Brewmaster battlepet used their bodies as a base, so their new models can use Pandarian rigging as a base. And the Allied Race model uses an extremely recent faction to grind, but that's not necessarily mandidtory
    Dragonkin: A lot of people want a Dragon race, but I think it would work better as a Hero Class, that way players can pick their own humanoid persona as their race & turning into a dragon can be a large cooldown, much like Alexstraza in HOTS

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Mogu are based on the Draenei skeleton, though.
    Yeah, but when they make the new playable models they could use the worgen rigs instead.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    they were mentioned as being a subspecies of Kobold.
    Source on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    Yeah, but when they make the new playable models they could use the worgen rigs instead.
    Why would they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Dragonkin: A lot of people want a Dragon race, but I think it would work better as a Hero Class, that way players can pick their own humanoid persona as their race & turning into a dragon can be a large cooldown, much like Alexstraza in HOTS
    This would be insanely cool. Getting to pick your own humanoid race to shift to.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by therealbowser View Post
    It's close to the end of the expansion and they've been slow releasing them. They are just assuming that's it.

    IMHO, it's a good reason for them to add another. It's great content to tide people over during post-expansion boredom.
    Problem is, you're right. They have been slow releasing them. The statements they gave us and how they have been handling this so far just does not make sense. I wouldn't be surprised to not have any allied races after this for BFA considering how long we waited for Kul'Tiran and Zandalari.

    Well, what story made since to even remotely include mag'har orcs? None, because there wasn't any story there. The perfect story was there for gilblin, but we don't get those.

    Vulpera aren't really breaking the mold imo. There are no links on the Horde side for Nightborne. With them being Night Elves who turned into the Nightborne after they were closed off in that shell, they are more of a Night Elve sub race then anything.

    So, maybe the Vulpera are unique in the sense that they are not really a sub-race to anything at all, but they don't even make sense story wise right now. If anything, they are at least showing us that any race can be used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    Why would they?
    To create a worgen Allied Race counterpart, and to add mogu without reusing the draenei skeleton a second time.

    Like I said, just something they could do, however unlikely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    There are no links on the Horde side for Nightborne.
    The blood elves. Did you not unlock them? They're constantly hanging out with the blood elves in BFA.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    Problem is, you're right. They have been slow releasing them. The statements they gave us and how they have been handling this so far just does not make sense. I wouldn't be surprised to not have any allied races after this for BFA considering how long we waited for Kul'Tiran and Zandalari.

    Well, what story made since to even remotely include mag'har orcs? None, because there wasn't any story there. The perfect story was there for gilblin, but we don't get those.

    Vulpera aren't really breaking the mold imo. There are no links on the Horde side for Nightborne. With them being Night Elves who turned into the Nightborne after they were closed off in that shell, they are more of a Night Elve sub race then anything.

    So, maybe the Vulpera are unique in the sense that they are not really a sub-race to anything at all, but they don't even make sense story wise right now. If anything, they are at least showing us that any race can be used.
    Well, Vulpera are part of a Horde only faction and the Alliance has directly attacked the Vulpera so... it's not that big of an earthshaker that they joined the Horde, in this case.

    While the reasoning why Nightborne join the Horde is a bad joke, they do have a lot more in common with blood elves that night elves. There's a reason they didn't join them originally (i.e., when the Legion forced them to bubble up). As for Mag'har, welp... it was an asspull. It's okay, though, but it's not shocking it came out of nowhere. Only other alternative was to forget Draenor existed and recruit outlands mag'har, which would have been okay, too.

  8. #48
    After Vulpera & Mechagnomes were announced NOW, instead of when the 8th expansion preorder goes up, because the Allied Races made BFA Blizzard's most profitable single-day ever, I wondered what races would be included, but now it's clearly going to be the 4 most recent rep grinds:

    Gilgoblins
    Ankoans
    Rajani Mogu
    Tol'vir

    The Tol'vir & Rajani both have little to do with the story but both have new rep grinds in 8.3 so its safe to say they exist for that specific purpose. Tol'vir are a little weird but they have a full range of animation already & it helps the faction war because despite the sparse lore on these races, we do know the Rajani & Tol'vir hate each other. (my guess is Rajani for the Horde, Tol'vir for the alliance)

  9. #49
    Tol'vir will never be playable for obvious reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    Tol'vir will never be playable for obvious reasons.
    Turning a single zone invasion point into a reputation to grind is totally unnecessary unless they're planning an allied race associated with it. But 9 to one chance their Acquisition questline will be a new offshoot of biped Tol'vir getting the curse of flesh. As they already appear to exist according to Hearthstone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Turning a single zone invasion point into a reputation to grind is totally unnecessary unless they're planning an allied race associated with it. But 9 to one chance their Acquisition questline will be a new offshoot of biped Tol'vir getting the curse of flesh. As they already appear to exist according to Hearthstone
    Hearthstone has never been or tried to be a canon representation of the Warcraft universe, but they certainly could draw inspiration from it. (Although I wouldn't mind Gadgetzan being the hearthstone version either!)

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    Aren't vulpera just reskinned goblins? I thought I remember reading that they used the goblins as a foundation for vulpera. Lets not act like Kul'tiran aren't unique just because they're human. Try to create a human that looks like a Kul'tiran. Hint: you can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crakerjack View Post
    Aren't vulpera just reskinned goblins? I thought I remember reading that they used the goblins as a foundation for vulpera. Lets not act like Kul'tiran aren't unique just because they're human. Try to create a human that looks like a Kul'tiran. Hint: you can't.
    He's talking about them as a race, not their base model. Vulpera has no racial connections to anything playable.
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  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by scarecrowz View Post
    They're not though.

    Nightborne are LITERALLY Night Elves.
    Please stop here...

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomads View Post
    So far all of the Allied Races have been "subspecies" of the current races in WoW. Most of these have been minor reskins of existing races, which is fine since Allied Races were advertised more as unlockable cosmetics to add some NG+ value.

    However, Vulpera seem to change that. They are an entirely new race added to the game, and the only thing they have in common with their counterpart race is that they are a small race. But Vulpera are in no way a subspecies or different tribe of goblin.

    As the only completely new, unique race of BfA, this puts an imbalance between the Horde and Alliance. So, I'm thinking this implies that the last two AR reveals will include a completely new race for the Alliance side. This leads me to believe that Lightforged UD will be for the Horde (not Alliance as many were predicting), and the Worgen's counterpart race will be something completely new. Sethrak might be on the table but make little sense to me as Alliance has very limited interaction with them. Ankoan/Jinyu would probably make the most sense... but then again Gilgoblins didn't make the Horde cut.

    At any rate, it seems the last AR for Alliance is still the biggest mystery of BfA.
    1) The trend is that the ARs add RESKINS (not minor, not supposedly, but precisely reskins. They were designed to be reskins for this entire project to work - being able to add one for each race. If each was its own model, it would be possible within one expansion.)
    2) Which in turn has not been broken at all, because Vulpera TOO share the exact same model rig as Goblins, just as designed.
    3) Which is actually wrong too, because the Zandalari Trolls and the Kul Tiran Human ARs are their own unique models (KTs might share it with Ogres but Ogres are not playable and there has not been an Ogre playable model to make use of)
    4) In either case, "Vulpera breaking the trend" statement is wrong beyond wrongess

    You are welcome, this time I did the fact checking for you.

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    He's talking about them as a race, not their base model. Vulpera has no racial connections to anything playable.
    This point seems to have been forgotten in the thread. The OP seemed to be addressing the lore behind the choice, not the simple game mechanics.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinrael View Post
    1) The trend is that the ARs add RESKINS (not minor, not supposedly, but precisely reskins. They were designed to be reskins for this entire project to work - being able to add one for each race. If each was its own model, it would be possible within one expansion.)
    2) Which in turn has not been broken at all, because Vulpera TOO share the exact same model rig as Goblins, just as designed.
    3) Which is actually wrong too, because the Zandalari Trolls and the Kul Tiran Human ARs are their own unique models (KTs might share it with Ogres but Ogres are not playable and there has not been an Ogre playable model to make use of)
    4) In either case, "Vulpera breaking the trend" statement is wrong beyond wrongess

    You are welcome, this time I did the fact checking for you.
    You're really not reading this thread correctly.
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  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    that's not what he means, as you can see below here.



    they're NOT night elves. they're shaldorei, a new breed of elf, separate from night elf, just like blood elf is separate from night elf.
    All elves are the same brah, just a different skin tone, but same same.
    Like white people.

  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Please stop here...
    Lmfao.

    Nightborne are Kaldorei "transformed" by the Nightwell when Suramar cut itself off from the world. They're Nightelves.

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