As I'm in a position of moral authority I can honestly attest that the OP isn't innocent, and methods of control should be implanted.
And yet, you might have forgotten that the Supreme Court ruled that slavery was completely constitutional until it wasn't anymore. Just because something is considered illegal and unconstitutional wont stop various agencies from doing said thing. For history, take a look at the Tuskegee Experiments.
I'm going to ask you a simple question, would you subject you, your family, your children or your loved ones to what you are proposing? I'm not asking if you are guilty, I'm not asking anything other than the question. What if any of those were innocent, you knew they were innocent and yet were found guilty and forced to have forced mind reprogramming? Would you be willing to subject anyone you love, your family, your children or even yourself to your punishment?
Tell you what, if I, or anyone else commit such a horrific crime, absolutely we should be reprogrammed. Stop acting like it's some sort of horrific thing, we are literally just trying to modify someone so that the monstrous element of their personality is completely gone. For example while they would be just as physically and mentally abled as before, they will no longer have ANY willingness to... for example to rape another person whatsoever. OTHER ELEMENTS OF THEIR PERSONALITIES ARE UNTOUCHED.
So you answer your question, if I end up committing some of the crimes I so strongly condemn... PLEASE.. FORCIBLY REPROGRAM ME. Make me human again!
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Well, we are going to have to agree to disagree here.
Justice isn't perfect, but if we ever get to the point when we can ethically and precisely reprogram the thoughts of a person, it's not hard to imagine it will be possible to read the memories and use that as evidence to determine innocence/guilt. Still won't be perfect, false memories exist, but this plus DNA will reduce wrongful convictions.
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I genuinely question an inmates guilty of crimes of depravity commitment to rehabilitation if they refuse the medical procedure. They are essentially making a statement that they are not interested in improving themselves in any meaningful way, and therefore should be harshly treated. But I believe if forcible reprogramming is ruled illegal, we can give them another option:
At the end of the sentence or at the date of parole, they must choose:
Life institutionalization.
or
Reprogramming
This way, it's a form of consent. So maybe this will satisfy all the liberal organizations like the ACLU and the liberals here.
I consider offering them a choice as an inconvenience and I'd rather just cut the bullshit and do what needs to be done with their personalities and minds. But sadly we live in a world that thinks such evil people have more rights than they are actually entitled to.
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Fuck that...Provide the Death Penalty as an option and I can almost guarantee that would be chosen.
This is the whole nature vs nurture debate. I'm more of a nature side of things, and believe that no amount of nurture will keep people from harming others. Nurture might work temporarily, but eventually people give in to their desires, which maybe baked into our genes.
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Kinda been done already. Look up a woman named Liz Parrish who edited some of her genes to prove that her companies gene therapy is effective and safe. It's also not done in the USA because of these restrictions. The technology used in here isn't new and wouldn't be enough to do what I'm proposing.
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A better understanding of mental illnesses and better treatments would be a good start. Most people who commit those things have something seriously wrong with them. Can you put the empathy that sociopaths lack in a pill? Maybe! It'd certainly be more effective than just dumping people in jail and ruining their lives in such a way that prevents them getting a normal job to make money legally, so then the inevitable happens of them taking illegal approaches, landing them back in jail, and so on.
First on the list of people to treat for mental illness is whatever brain damaged sod thought that was a good idea.
You dont factor in corruption. Allowing the government to lobotomize humans to stop crime. Ok well imagine the worst person in charge as supreme leader using that to promote their personal goals.
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No thanks, our minds are the last thing the government/society/corporations can't violate and rewrite to their own needs at this point, and I'd like to keep it that way.
I'd honestly hope for our society and civilization to collapse before we get to the point of such dystopian practices.
following your "logic" and scifi-fanfic, shouldnt EVERYONE get this treatment at birth?
i mean if you actually can be so precise with this mind-fuck that you can take away ONLY the need to rape, molest, murder, etc. shouldnt everyone get regular treatments?
imagine once a year you go to your local mindfuck-clinic to get those "undesirable traits" removed from your brain, no side effects. why wait for someone to commit a crime?
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So, the use of your plan against someone who is actually innocent is inevitable. That would make you the horrible person, and the one who should be forced to undergo the testing simply by implementing this plan.
Statistically, anyone who is part of this program, but also be targeted by it.
Statistical inevitabilities are a real bastard.
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So, you agree that you should be the first to undergo that treatment... good to know.
Shit, just execute them, that's somehow less monstrous than what you're suggesting.
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So would that make anyone who advocates for the death penalty a horrible person? Your logic is flawed.
No, I want to experiment on the worst of the worst first. When it becomes absolutely safe, than I might try self modification with it. Ultimately we will test first on animals, than on the worst prisoners. I will use it once I know it's safe enough and probably for different things. I am a very moral person so I don't think I need moral enhancements that say... rapists, grievous assaulters and murderers do.So, you agree that you should be the first to undergo that treatment... good to know.