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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Evilfish View Post
    Maybe you should wait for the actual announcement before you start making your little peace plans. And quite frankly how it that a justification to take a proverbial crap on an entire player race?
    Well it is pretty much obvious that Tyrande and Genn are also out, we will get more level headed leaders in their position. We are looking for peace going forward but the haters can still use War More and shoooo.
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  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    Well it is pretty much obvious that Tyrande and Genn are also out, we will get more level headed leaders in their position. We are looking for peace going forward but the haters can still use War More and shoooo.
    I appreciate the transparency of the absolutely cancerous result you're after. The gameplay element though, which is the only worthwhile one, and even that's dubious for the long-term health of the game, could've been achieved just as well by collapsing the races from their blocs because of their differences. Turning everyone into clones of one another was unnecessary in allowing people to do content regardless of race.

    That said it'd make me profoundly satisfied if Blizzard end up pussying out at the last second and not introducing the gameplay Unifaction, as extremely slim as that chance now is. That'd give more hope of the story unifaction getting tossed in the trash where it belongs in an expansion or two.
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  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Rendark View Post
    I wouldn't hold my breath. Really there's nothing she can do that would make her work as the leader.

    If they kill her off and let someone else lead then it could be good but i won't hold my breath.
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    So this is how far the Lore forum has fallen? Eesh.
    I take it back, BfA is not the lowest the games lore could have gone, this thread proves that.
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  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    Well it is pretty much obvious that Tyrande and Genn are also out, we will get more level headed leaders in their position. We are looking for peace going forward but the haters can still use War More and shoooo.
    It's not obvious.

    Even if Blizz is stupid enough to break something that has been working since they launched the game, they'll figure out how stupid it actually is and bring it right back.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    I appreciate the transparency of the absolutely cancerous result you're after. The gameplay element though, which is the only worthwhile one, and even that's dubious for the long-term health of the game, could've been achieved just as well by collapsing the races from their blocs because of their differences. Turning everyone into clones of one another was unnecessary in allowing people to do content regardless of race.

    That said it'd make me profoundly satisfied if Blizzard end up pussying out at the last second and not introducing the gameplay Unifaction, as extremely slim as that chance now is. That'd give more hope of the story unifaction getting tossed in the trash where it belongs in an expansion or two.
    I don't want war anymore, it has been pointless for a long time for the factions to be at war and it effectively halves the player base you can actually do content with which is absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilfish View Post
    It's not obvious.

    Even if Blizz is stupid enough to break something that has been working since they launched the game, they'll figure out how stupid it actually is and bring it right back.
    That is why you will always have the choice of being hateful with War Mode, not a big deal because you will have the choice to seclude yourself to a minority of players.
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  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    We will have to wait and see what happens. I have a feeling she is going to make some kind of grand gesture that will help win some of them over.
    That’s great. Her and all the other sad sack Forsaken can go be holy Undead on the Alliance then.

  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    I don't want war anymore, it has been pointless for a long time for the factions to be at war and it effectively halves the player base you can actually do content with which is absurd.

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    That is why you will always have the choice of being hateful with War Mode, not a big deal because you will have the choice to seclude yourself to a minority of players.
    A minority of players? Seriously? I'm guessing you and your buddies have been sniffing each other's bs to the point where you actually think that peace crap will fly in a game that's been about red vs blue since before it was even a MMO.

  8. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by VinceVega View Post

    On topic: I see Calia a kind of sponsor in an AA meeting an Sylvanas as the Drug the forsaken try to get away from.
    Calia will do her best to help. But will not be accepted right away. But it will make good things with the undead. Because they are basically a blight on every land they set foot on right now. Destroying the environment killing every wildlife and playing with the freaking plague.

    Dead does not mean evil an i hope the can show that now. And the forsaken are not evil. If they could never stay in teh horde
    This is the best thing I've read in all these recent debates.

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Evilfish View Post
    A minority of players? Seriously? I'm guessing you and your buddies have been sniffing each other's bs to the point where you actually think that peace crap will fly in a game that's been about red vs blue since before it was even a MMO.
    You will have war mode, unity mode will not effect you so don't worry about.
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  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra View Post
    The Forsaken don't really despise the entire Menethil family just because of Arthas, they simply despise Arthas. Terenas was his father but the Forsaken still loved him deeply. Even though Arthas was a monster, his father was a good and fair monarch who ruled Lordaeron for some 70 years.

    As for your seconds point, I don't see it as a problem. There are lots of leaders in real life who were entrusted a position of power "out of nowhere", when they didn't really know how to act because they had little knowledge of what their people needed. This is no different than Anduin back in Classic. If Calia is still not fit to rule because she has more to learn, Voss or Alonsus Faol could just act as regents in her stead, like Bolvar in Classic.
    But Voss has already stated; or at least I think she has (correct me if wrong), that she doesn't want to lead. Which brought me to the idea of a council which could include her; which by technicality, keeps her from a leader position, but still function as a voice and Faol could be part of said group as well. By all means introduce Calia as an upcoming character for forsaken leadership, but they shouldn't jump straight to that point. It would not make sense or feel right for 9.0. Expansion/s after or end of the 9.0 series, sure.
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  11. #111
    The undead should just volunteer to be compost for regrowing some of the trees in Northern Kalimdor. Undeath is a concept that's been beaten to death - no pun intended - by Blizzard and most of what made it epic within the franchise has either been diluted or turned into nonsense. From holy undead priests to the undead raised into undeath by the Light, we've seen it all.

  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Magnagarde View Post
    The undead should just volunteer to be compost for regrowing some of the trees in Northern Kalimdor. Undeath is a concept that's been beaten to death - no pun intended - by Blizzard and most of what made it epic within the franchise has either been diluted or turned into nonsense. From holy undead priests to the undead raised into undeath by the Light, we've seen it all.
    We haven't seen undead created by Life magic, I think. But given how they made everything and their mother be able to create undeath, that's most likely just around the corner.
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  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Yzak View Post
    But Voss has already stated; or at least I think she has (correct me if wrong), that she doesn't want to lead. Which brought me to the idea of a council which could include her; which by technicality, keeps her from a leader position, but still function as a voice and Faol could be part of said group as well. By all means introduce Calia as an upcoming character for forsaken leadership, but they shouldn't jump straight to that point. It would not make sense or feel right for 9.0. Expansion/s after or end of the 9.0 series, sure.
    Yeah personally I'm hoping Calia just becomes the Forsaken's new "Figurehead" while Voss represents the Forsaken on the Horde's new council.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    We haven't seen undead created by Life magic, I think. But given how they made everything and their mother be able to create undeath, that's most likely just around the corner.
    I suppose the Botani's spore-zombie things are kind of a grey area close to that, but it's not really necromancy.

  14. #114
    We won't get a better story unless we get better writers. Thats the core problem to most of these faction discussions in the lore forums.

    I'm not sure if Blizzard will ever do that. They fix gameplay somewhat or try to, if subs go down too much. But story wasn't important to them ever, even though for an MMORPG a good story would enhance the game massively. But the developers don't seem to understand this.

    The US WoW Lore Forum is full of critique and i guess this is the forum those writers probably read, if they read any. But i doubt they care. They will just continue with this shit show because subs will recover, when gameplay becomes good again. Enough people will probably the game, even if the story is utter horse shit. Thats is the sad place in which the WoW story finds itself.

    And sadly, now Golden is even aloud to fuck over the WC 3 story and lore. And potentially even WC 2 and more, if Blizzard does campaigns for WC 3 Reforged. The sooner the current three main writers are gone the better, but i really don't see any promising way that this will happen.

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    We haven't seen undead created by Life magic, I think. But given how they made everything and their mother be able to create undeath, that's most likely just around the corner.
    You're right and the way things are going now, they'll probably become a thing sometime down the line. The Drust have somewhat already blurred the line with the way they animate dead nature.

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    Forsaken fans were the most hard done by in this expansion. They’ve lost the holy trinity of their city, their leader and their identity as race. Now that identity is being changed to fit Christie Golden’s whims with Calia. They’re going to be Anduinized completely.

  17. #117
    I was very upset that they made her undead, and now I am upset that they are pushing her to lead the Forsaken.

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    I really hoped that Calia stayed a living human, she could have led a faction of humans that are trying to reclaim their land for the living.

    But no, they killed her off, and now they are pushing her to lead the Forsaken, she is an Alliance oriented, why should she join the horde?

    I don't like them trying to make the Horde look like the Alliance, they are different, and should stay different.

  18. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    You will have war mode, unity mode will not effect you so don't worry about.
    Two relatively slight problems, with that line of thinking. Making the factions monotone and just resort to the power of friendship is not only bland, but incredibly boring. Conflict and adversity are the foundation of any storyarch, in terms of basic storytelling structure. And secondly most of the game identity, systems and design is based around that division. The fact that they watered it down is a long term failiure at storytelling regardless of intent and it has been a long standing criticism since TBC, if not longer. This is just another step, in the "Horde has a problem? Make it more like the Aliance" mindset the Horde playerbase hates.

    That said i don't see a way to salvage what the Horde has been reduced to, which i see Blizz doing. So the best way to go forward may be to reconfigure factions along ideological lines, with one side being the unifaction and the other actually getting things done, with actual identity one can be proud of.

  19. #119
    Can we talk about the other problem that Calia is not only a female Anduin in terms of personality, but also doesn't fit the style of the Forsaken in the slightest? Calia is as if you would put a Techno-Elf at the top of the night-elves, against all of their visual themes. Or a tribal savage human as King of Stormwind. It just breaks the visuals. Calias style of a lightforged human with a distinctly human style simply breaks the visuals of the Forsaken, which rely on a horror-inspired Tim Burton-esque gothic style.

  20. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by sighy View Post
    Two relatively slight problems, with that line of thinking. Making the factions monotone and just resort to the power of friendship is not only bland, but incredibly boring. Conflict and adversity are the foundation of any storyarch, in terms of basic storytelling structure. And secondly most of the game identity, systems and design is based around that division. The fact that they watered it down is a long term failiure at storytelling regardless of intent and it has been a long standing criticism since TBC, if not longer. This is just another step, in the "Horde has a problem? Make it more like the Aliance" mindset the Horde playerbase hates.

    That said i don't see a way to salvage what the Horde has been reduced to, which i see Blizz doing. So the best way to go forward may be to reconfigure factions along ideological lines, with one side being the unifaction and the other actually getting things done, with actual identity one can be proud of.
    Cross faction PvE is coming, the faction stories are now one going forward. You have the option to quit if you don't like it.
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