At one point, is this possible to discuss the POTUS mental age seriously ?

[Malaky]

Except it has everything to do with his phrase. The only difference is that the wording in my hypothetical is precise. Trumps version doesn't specify what he means. It doesn't exclude the wording I used. So, it could be identical, we can't know.

It doesn't exclude nor include it.
You can't assume the worst while reflexively dismissing the best and still pretend you're being objective here.

And in the lack of specificity, the simplest answer is the one to pick.

[Azadina]

It doesn't exclude nor include it.
You can't assume the worst while reflexively dismissing the best and still pretend you're being objective here.

And in the lack of specificity, the simplest answer is the one to pick.

We'll get simple answer by looking at Trumps rhetoric and actions. It's hardly peaceful.

[Orange Joe]

A situation in which the populace no longer see themselves as everyone still being people sharing a common country, but rather groups divided in factions believing to have nothing in common with the other side, seen as nothing but enemies to be distrusted.

That's what a "civil like fracture" is like.

To pretend that a warning against this sort of situation was "Trump THREATENED to DECLARE CIVIL WAR if he's impeached! What a monster!" is either bad faith or an astounding lack of comprehension of words and context.

Welcome to current America. So no that isn't what he was talking about. You are welcome to try again though.

[Skulltaker]

Just like Adrielle made an impossibly overexxagerated statement equating a protester getting hurt while being escorted out with being shot with a gun. Glad you got it.



Ooh, see?
Trump was warning about exactly this, these "divides" that can be the reasons that lead up to civil war. That was his message.

But you don't, thanks for further demonstrating your complete ineptitude when it comes to discussions. Someone being shot is a very realistic scenario. Someone getting nuked isn't. So he/she was still right and you were still talking bullshit. Like for the past 6 pages or something.

And, Trump didn't make up the word 'civil war like'? That was you, then? So the two of you equally suck at english and proper terminology, congrats. It remains bullshit, whomever said it. There is no such thing as 'civil war like', just like 'force' and 'violence' are not the same, and no matter how much you squirm and try to weasel your way out of this, all you have to offer to this discussion is nonsense, and it's out in the open for everyone to see. Pathetic.

[Malaky]

We'll get simple answer by looking at Trumps rhetoric and actions. It's hardly peaceful.

It's confrontational and provocative, but that doesn't make it violent or murderous.

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But you don't, thanks for further demonstrating your complete ineptitude when it comes to discussions. Someone being shot is a very realistic scenario. Someone getting nuked isn't. So he/she was still right and you were still talking bullshit. Like for the past 6 pages or something.

And, Trump didn't make up the word 'civil war like'? That was you, then? So the two of you equally suck at english and proper terminology, congrats. It remains bullshit, whomever said it. There is no such thing as 'civil war like', just like 'force' and 'violence' are not the same, and no matter how much you squirm and try to weasel your way out of this, all you have to offer to this discussion is nonsense, and it's out in the open for everyone to see. Pathetic.

Lol, I imagine you being fun at parties:

"Man that football game was like total war yesterday"
"I know right"
"WRONG! TOTAL WAR IMPLIES GOVERNMENTS ENGAGING IN THE FIELD OF BATTLE WITH SOLDIERS AND RIFLES AND DEATH! YOU SUCK AT ENGLISH! USE PROPER TERMINOLOGY! BULLSHIT! BULL-"
"Gee dude, calm down".

[Skulltaker]

Lol, I imagine you being fun at parties:

"Man that football game was like total war yesterday"
"I know right"
"WRONG! TOTAL WAR IMPLIES GOVERNMENTS ENGAGING IN THE FIELD OF BATTLE WITH SOLDIERS AND RIFLES AND DEATH! YOU SUCK AT ENGLISH! USE PROPER TERMINOLOGY! BULLSHIT! BULL-"
"Gee dude, calm down".

If this is you trying hard I am not impressed. Again, you try (and fail) to equate two situations that have nothing in common whatsoever. Trump tried his usual fearmongering, and, keeping up with his tradition, failed horribly. To do so, he made up an incredibly stupid term, that is now defended by his usual fanboys that think they can actually and factually argue any point. Keeping up daddy orange smoothies tradition, they also fail, completely.

And now we have our local prodigy or argumentation Malarky just completely throwing any notion of a cohesive argument into the bin and just making up scenarios in which he puts the President of the United States making an argument on the same level as a discussion about football. Man, you're so unqualified to have a discussion with a brick wall would pity you. Words cannot describe your failure. Ask Trump, maybe he'll make one up for you.

[draynay]

Lol, I imagine you being fun at parties:

"Man that football game was like total war yesterday"
"I know right"
"WRONG! TOTAL WAR IMPLIES GOVERNMENTS ENGAGING IN THE FIELD OF BATTLE WITH SOLDIERS AND RIFLES AND DEATH! YOU SUCK AT ENGLISH! USE PROPER TERMINOLOGY! BULLSHIT! BULL-"
"Gee dude, calm down".

I realize you're trying to be cute and win a pretend argument against your strawman, but "total war" does have a specific meaning despite your misuse.

[Bodakane]

It's confrontational and provocative, but that doesn't make it violent or murderous.

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Lol, I imagine you being fun at parties:

"Man that football game was like total war yesterday"
"I know right"
"WRONG! TOTAL WAR IMPLIES GOVERNMENTS ENGAGING IN THE FIELD OF BATTLE WITH SOLDIERS AND RIFLES AND DEATH! YOU SUCK AT ENGLISH! USE PROPER TERMINOLOGY! BULLSHIT! BULL-"
"Gee dude, calm down".

Do you have a guide that indicates when Trump is kidding and when he's not?

Its kinda batshit how you guys will hold him above everyone else if the argument suits it...like being perfectly fine that Mueller couldn't indict him or how you guys act like he's a savior, but then turn around and hold him to same standards as everyone else, when he, as POTUS, makes statements that you just get to interpret as harmless, even when they are clear calls for violence and civil unrest.

To be that fucking intellectually malleable that you can make a stand on whatever side of the hill Trump orders you too, must be, at the end of the day, freeing actually. I mean to not only not have to think for yourself, but also unshackled by the oppression of caring if you're a hypocrite or irrational, is probably in many ways a gift for his clearly uneducated supporters.

[Gaexion Ramza Beoulve]

Let's make a deal.

If Donald Trump wins

you leave these forums forever.

[Bodakane]

Let's make a deal.

If Donald Trump wins

you leave these forums forever.

How many Uncle Trumpy's Internet Cuck Bucks would that win you, and what are you planning to spend them on? His and hers MAGA snuggies? Rocket Surgery degree from Trump University? A bumper sticker that says, "Its always fake news when you're illiterate"? 12 piece bucket from KFC?

[Malaky]

I realize you're trying to be cute and win a pretend argument against your strawman, but "total war" does have a specific meaning despite your misuse.

So does civil war. That doesn't mean they can't be used to describe something that doesn't fully qualify as one.
That's the point.

Do you have a guide that indicates when Trump is kidding and when he's not?

Not being affected by derangement syndromes, I suppose. Common sense, Ockam's razor, logic, call it however you want.

What makes more sense, "escort the guy out but try not to hurt him, if that happens you'll get defense" or "escort the guy out and beat the crap out/shoot him, if you do you'll get pardons"?

I mean, come on.

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And now we have our local prodigy or argumentation Malarky just completely throwing any notion of a cohesive argument into the bin and just making up scenarios in which he puts the President of the United States making an argument on the same level as a discussion about football. Man, you're so unqualified to have a discussion with a brick wall would pity you. Words cannot describe your failure. Ask Trump, maybe he'll make one up for you.

"Gee dude, calm down".

[draynay]

So does civil war. That doesn't mean they can't be used to describe something that doesn't fully qualify as one.
That's the point.

In order to fit your argument "Civil war-like" would require the exclusion of all violence as what differentiates it from war, and people don't generally make comparisons to war unless there is violence; we would have to assume the opposite for you to make any sense here. Since you liked your sports analogy, people don't compare baseball or golf to war, but football, being more inherently violent, does sometimes generate the comparison.

[Bodakane]

Not being affected by derangement syndromes, I suppose. Common sense, Ockam's razor, logic, call it however you want.

What makes more sense, "escort the guy out but try not to hurt him, if that happens you'll get defense" or "escort the guy out and beat the crap out/shoot him, if you do you'll get pardons"?

I mean, come on.

So I'm clear, the man that argued he had the largest inauguration ever (when clear photo and video evidence proves that false), that he makes the Speaker even defend that lie.....is someone we should be able to gauge when serious or not? He drew on a hurricane map with a marker instead of admitting he misspoke.

He even fucking THANKED Alex Jones.

The only derangement syndrome going on is you Trump supporters felating him because he says its ice cream.

[Malaky]

In order to fit your argument "Civil war-like" would require the exclusion of all violence as what differentiates it from war, and people don't generally make comparisons to war unless there is violence; we would have to assume the opposite for you to make any sense here. Since you liked your sports analogy, people don't compare baseball or golf to war, but football, being more inherently violent, does sometimes generate the comparison.

I don't see the train of thought here.
Why do you need "the exclusion of all violence" for the term to apply? You just need a facet of the actual thing, like strong divide and resentment, to use it as a non-to-be-taken-literally comparison.
And people totally make comparisons to war even in the absence of actual physical violence when talking of sports, especially when stuff gets heated and the match really crazy. Happens all the time.

The point is that you can totally take something (like civil war) and use parts of it to describe something else (possible civil unrest following a spurious impeachment) without needing 100% of the defining elements of the first.

[Skulltaker]

"Gee dude, calm down".

You admitted your failure, we get it =)

[Malaky]

You admitted your failure, we get it =)

Lel, The only failure here is your lack of understanding of how hyperboles work.

[tumppu]

At this point I am professionally concerned he actually might have had a stroke and no one noticed/tells him because he's so easy to manipulate.

Trump actually reminds me of our old president, Kekkonen, in his old days.

Way past his prime, kept in office because he was useful to his allies in home and abroad (amusingly the same country, russia) and prone to public blunders.

Both known to have/had temper issues and extra-marital problems.

Biggest difference being that we finally got rid of him when his incompetence became too much to publicly whitewash and nowadays, while he's held in somewhat good esteem, his faults are also recognised.

[Thekri]

As to Trump himself? Definitely 135+ IQ and mentally still not far off his prime.

Ok, I know this person is banned now, but I find it hilarious how this aged. That 135+ IQ individual retweeted a post from a parody account called "Donald Trump's Butt" this morning. This stable genius retweeted his own ass. This happened a day after he forgot the name of his own Secretary of Defense. Both of those things happened in the 48 hours since he posted this, and sadly neither was particularly abnormal for a guy that "Has the best words" "One of the greatest memories of all times" and has "Great and unmatched wisdom". But sure, Trumpsters are going to keep claiming this idiot is an intelligent person.