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[Cosmic Janitor]

N'zoth was actually much more threatening while he was imprisoned. What did he need to get released for? Thought he was supposed to be the smart one.

Turns out that we are a bunch of crazy murder hobos and we aren't stuck on a villain infested rock, they are stuck here with us. #ruleofcool

[Candy Cough]

Good riddance
The old gods are probably the most overrated lore in wow.
If i have any inquiry it is that i feel sorry for how weak he is, then i remember he nearly destroyed the world with the cataclysm and killed Ysera. He’s a schemer not mich of a fighter

[Temp name]

Let the fake leaks begin

What do you mean? They've been happening for months now

[draganid]

what a fucking joke. nzoth was built up for a DECADE only to be turned out and killed in one patch. he deserved an entire expansion where we see him and his minions constantly taunting us and whispering madness into our ears. blizzard shit the bed big time on this.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Also, with FF14 they seem to actually try to have a continuity and not just barf out expansions to keep a 15 year old game going instead of putting it out to pasture. It feels like Yoshi-P has an actual story he wants to tell over so many expansions instead of what WoW does, just putting in the least effort into its storytelling, so much so that they invented a catch phrase that people just accepted for some reason, gameplay over story. Literally, "We dont give a shit about the story as long as it can let people be space goats and cthulu elves and fox people and double jump!"

Blizzard writes comic books and then tries to pass them off as fine literature. Same problem Overwatch has been running into for the last like year or two.

[grexly75]

Was watching a couple of youtube videos where they were saying the leaking of the new DK stuff, that the next xpac could possibly be WoTLK 2.0 themed..

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Was watching a couple of youtube videos where they were saying the leaking of the new DK stuff, that the next xpac could be WoTLK 2.0 themed..

Bolvar isn't evil, though.

The fact this updated starting experience exists points more toward it not being Wrath of the Bolvar.

[derpkitteh]

Shadowlands leak possibly false if this is true.

that's been false since 8.2.5.

i need to see what happens next though, see if this disproves that pax guy's posts about the story of the next expansion.

[gcsmith]

Bolvar isn't evil, though.

The fact this updated starting experience exists points more toward it not being Wrath of the Bolvar.

Not necessarily, depends if they do a break from his will again thing.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Bolvar isn't evil, though.

The fact this updated starting experience exists points more toward it not being Wrath of the Bolvar.

Lol Bolvar is evil. The DK quests explored that already. He may still have the larger picture in mind but he certainly is no longer on the neutral or good side of the spectrum.

[grexly75]

Bolvar isn't evil, though.

The fact this updated starting experience exists points more toward it not being Wrath of the Bolvar.

No not Bolvar but what about Sylvanas, as suggestions have it that it might be Lich Queen this time around.. But if it is Bolvar it does explain the possibility of a 4th DK spec..

[Yoshingo]

Again people are really over thinking things.

The DK intro is being revamped just so they can add in Allied Race DKs and not have it weird that the original WotLK DKs are in some time loop in the past doing WotLK-relevant story.

If they're going to do Allied Race DKs, and they are, then they might as well just revamp the experience and make it the same for all the races.

[derpkitteh]

Lol Bolvar is evil. The DK quests explored that already. He may still have the larger picture in mind but he certainly is no longer on the neutral or good side of the spectrum.

he's not evil. he says himself that he's become basically emotionless. he's willing to hurt people to do what needs done but that's not being evil, just being able to make hard decisions.

[Cosmic Janitor]

he's not evil. he says himself that he's become basically emotionless. he's willing to hurt people to do what needs done but that's not being evil, just being able to make hard decisions.

No, the way he was amused during the DK questline, esepcially the utterly pointless mount section, and the fact that many of the things absolutely DID NOT need to be done (Tirion -> eh Darion will do) is proof that he is "evil". He is not villain territory but his aliignment is certainly on the bottom of the chart.

[Yoshingo]

Bolvar is just a chillier Wrathion, except that Wrathion still cares about at least 1 person, his boyfriend Anduin. They both fulfill the same trope. The anti-hero willing to save the world despite the cost or morality involved.

[KayRule]

what a fucking joke. nzoth was built up for a DECADE only to be turned out and killed in one patch. he deserved an entire expansion where we see him and his minions constantly taunting us and whispering madness into our ears. blizzard shit the bed big time on this.

All old gods have been dealt with in a single patch. N'zoth at least had presence and build up throughout the entire BfA expansion.

I don't know why anyone tricked themselves into thinking otherwise.

[Yoshingo]

Also to N'zoth's credit, he probably was the most successful out of the three old gods after them 'breaking free' or 'reactivating.' N'zoth drove everyone crazy, coalesced all the forces of the Old Gods where as Yogg and C'thun only had specific factions, corrupted Ra-den, the leader of the Titan Watchers, and, based on the journal entry, was very near to corrupting the world soul with his madness.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Bolvar is just a chillier Wrathion, except that Wrathion still cares about at least 1 person, his boyfriend Anduin. They both fulfill the same trope. The anti-hero willing to save the world despite the cost or morality involved.

Wrathion was on a power trip and thought himself more clever than he actually is. He is child cursed with too much intellect, but none of the wisdom, and if his writings during the recent quest to track him down were not fake, then he actually regrets his hasty actions.

[Yoshingo]

Wrathion was on a power trip and though himself more clever than he actually is. He is child cursed with too much intellect but none of the wisdom and if his writings during the recent quest to track him down were not fake, then he actually regrets his hasty actions.

Yes but a theme with his journal entry is him regretting how it turned out but not the reason he did them, which is what I meant.

Wrathion's the trope of a character who will do the horrendous stuff to stop the Great Evil (Whatever that may be) forever. He's not amoral like a Kerrigan, but if a few thousand people had to die to prepare the planet for the Legion's arrival, then that's fine with him.

[Mirishka]

Disappointing as it is that we beat yet another big bad (would be nice to be in over our heads for a change), its better than just... randomly beating them (meaning old gods) with normal weapons and stuff, e.g. C'thun and Yogg.

Ahh, Yogg Saron! Fall before my blade that I looted in... heroic Utgarde Pinnacle.