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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Do you believe me if i told you i only watched the cinematic once?
    Is that bad...

    I watched all other Blizz cinematics several times though...this is the first one that i went "WTH".
    Wouldnt be much better if you just say "I didnt liked it".

    Seems that everyone thinks their opinions are sacred and turn water into wine.

  2. #122
    Im fucking confused that people are so confused by this shit.

    The fact she beats the lich king it litterally meant to show how powerful shes gotten.

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Hauzhi View Post
    Wouldnt be much better if you just say "I didnt liked it".

    Seems that everyone thinks their opinions are sacred and turn water into wine.
    Is just my opinion...why the hell everyone tells me i state opinions as facts.
    Ofcourse is MY opinion.
    How can i state an opinion as fact? Im not.

    I cringed a lot on the cinematic....because sylvanas seems to be overpowered and has the biggest plot armor of all time.

  4. #124
    Bolvar is not Arthas, he did not have frostmourne to fight with, and even then, frostmourne was shattered by Ashbringer, a weapon we used last expansion.

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Is just my opinion...why the hell everyone tells me i state opinions as facts.
    Ofcourse is MY opinion.
    How can i state an opinion as fact? Im not.

    I cringed a lot on the cinematic....because sylvanas seems to be overpowered and has the biggest plot armor of all time.
    Maybe because you said "its that bad"...

    Its like saying some top sports team is bad just because they dont sympathise with it.

    Anyone who has been following the game and more recently, this blizzcon, should be more or less informed how "she" got so much power.

    Just like haters of sylvanas "new" plot, ignored the very first undead intro cinematic from 15 years ago.

    People love wow and characters, we all understand that.
    But truth is, it takes balls to make some decisions about the lore.
    And if everyone is so engaged and almost taking it personal (sometimes), tells me Blizzard is doing it right.

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by erifwodahs View Post
    Bolvar is not Arthas, he did not have frostmourne to fight with, and even then, frostmourne was shattered by Ashbringer, a weapon we used last expansion.
    Uhhh..... frostmourne was connected to original lich king when arthas was wielding and he empowered arthas true the blade as stated in warcraft 3 tft as such yeah its strong sword and all that but based on previous lore its special ability is stealing souls and its not scepter of sargeras or xal'atath. Hell even with all frostmournes power arthas nearly lost to uther if uther managed to hit him once he would have died but then arthas started fighting smart and abusing uther old age and slow weapon making fast small strikes and then dodging until uther got tired most of lks power came from helm of domination which Ner'zhul was in and fed arthas power because he wieded frostmourne.

    Also LK at his peak is weaker than Lei shen 1v1 so what should you expect.

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Revaniter92 View Post
    Still, he was able to throw rocks with mojo and make a huge blizzard out of nowhere. I get that Sylvanas gets more power with each corpse and the Blood War made her overpowered, but they should at least allow LK to land 2-3 hits before being defeated. The entire fight was dragonballish as hell.

    Also, I bet that we will just repel the Scourge invasion as always, leading to a conclusion that no LK was needed and Bolvar indeed is nothing more than a plot device.
    You could say that due to Saurfang hitting her, she decided not to play with her enemies anymore. She made the same mistake against DK Arthas by fooling around with him instead of just killing him, it gave time for Kelthuzad to save Arthas.

  8. #128
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    Number 120 in the "I don't follow the story but I'mma be outraged because I don't get it all the same!"-marathon.

    Sprinkled with some "LOL female character beats male character wtf" for good measure.
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  9. #129
    is making a danerys...

  10. #130
    Um, maybe it’s because this is Bolvar as the Lich King and not Arthas? Bolvar had the experience of sitting in a chair and controlling the scourge, with maybe some battle experience thrown in there. Sylvanas has the experience of a long-lived elf ranger, along with being undead and a banshee with the power of the Maw and help of the Jailer. So, I mean... by all means, you can continue whining.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHunter18 View Post
    there is an expansion called Battle for Azeroth.

    in it, the writing is shit.

    in patch 8.2.5 we saw Sylvanas using some power which was never foreshadowed before but we should accept it because it looks cool.

    apparently it's enough to solo the entire Icecrown Citadel+LK.
    It's literally "badass female lead" except she's a fucking mary sue. It comes off as cheesy, awful, cliched writing.
    Exclusively Games posted a video 4 hours ago that sums up everything pretty well about the trailer:


    Quote Originally Posted by Albarin View Post
    Um, maybe it’s because this is Bolvar as the Lich King and not Arthas? Bolvar had the experience of sitting in a chair and controlling the scourge, with maybe some battle experience thrown in there. Sylvanas has the experience of a long-lived elf ranger, along with being undead and a banshee with the power of the Maw and help of the Jailer. So, I mean... by all means, you can continue whining.
    And the entire scourge army that was meant to devastate Azeroth had Bolvar not taken over; she just defeats it off-screen? We're supposed to just believe that? Please.

    Sylvanas is easily the worst character to date in Warcraft history. She's 100% a Mary Sue.
    Still wondering why I play this game.
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  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Polarthief View Post
    And the entire scourge army that was meant to devastate Azeroth had Bolvar not taken over; she just defeats it off-screen? We're supposed to just believe that? Please.
    I will never understand how an army of undead are supposed to overwhelm or even “devastate” a world that has fought way more powerful foes off at this point. Lol

  13. #133
    All signs have pointed towards Sylva as being in kahoots with somebody, or something, which has made her stronger and stronger over the recent expansions. From manipulating the Val’kir (who are from the Shadowlands) to basically killing everyone.
    As we now know the Shadowlands are in conflict, the Maw where only the unredeemable souls are supposed to go has for some time absorbed all souls (which is called "Anima"). This "anima" is a powerful resource/source of power in the Shadowlands, it is this power Sylvanas has been granted by the ruler of the Maw- who we don’t know much about yet.
    What we do know is that these realms of exsistance pre-dates the titans, so it is plausible that this thing Sylvanas has allied with is as powerful (or more) than the titans- and she’s made it stronger.
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  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by WonderZebra View Post
    Im fucking confused that people are so confused by this shit.

    The fact she beats the lich king it litterally meant to show how powerful shes gotten.
    Except for the fact it doesn't really come off that way. The way they did it left it feeling more like the Lich King was just weak.

    They had a ton of potential to do exactly as you suggest by showing that Bolvar was as strong if not stronger than Arthas by being infused with the powers of the Dragonflight to go along with the powers he gained by being the Lich King. He didn't even make her sweat, and the ultimate F you was the whole stopping his swing like a freaking Sith Lord or something.

    It did the exact opposite for lots of people, and that is simply due to poor setup.

  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Armourboy View Post
    Except for the fact it doesn't really come off that way. The way they did it left it feeling more like the Lich King was just weak.

    They had a ton of potential to do exactly as you suggest by showing that Bolvar was as strong if not stronger than Arthas by being infused with the powers of the Dragonflight to go along with the powers he gained by being the Lich King. He didn't even make her sweat, and the ultimate F you was the whole stopping his swing like a freaking Sith Lord or something.

    It did the exact opposite for lots of people, and that is simply due to poor setup.
    Next thing you gonna say us : Bolvar is red dragonflight aspect YeaH? (lol he just fireundead ... unique type like Calia), what a powers he

    gained by being the Lich King ???? HE HAS NO FROSTMOURNE!

    Seems kids nowdays has delusinal idea about lich king,so OLD GODS,TITANS,ALIENS <<< Undeads skeletons and zombies x1000 yeah?

    LICH KING is OLD NEWS, let it GO
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  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by WonderZebra View Post
    Im fucking confused that people are so confused by this shit.

    The fact she beats the lich king it litterally meant to show how powerful shes gotten.
    It's just done in a rather hamfisted way, the Lich king (Even the new one) was supposed to be a big deal, Sylvanas just waltzes in there, hisses her "Edgier than thou"-monologue while wiping out an undead army off-screen, slaps him around like it's nothing, breaks the helm of domination because of course she can, which opens a portal into the realm of death itself, okay...

    I might be biased because i'm sick and tired of Sylvanas, always pulling the perfect counter to anything out of her back... pocket, but to suddenly go "Yeah, she's uber-powerful now" without any buildup isn't mysterious, it comes off as amateurish... That they need to explain that stuff at BlizzCon further emphasizes that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polarthief View Post
    It's literally "badass female lead" except she's a fucking mary sue. It comes off as cheesy, awful, cliched writing.
    Exclusively Games posted a video 4 hours ago that sums up everything pretty well about the trailer:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TtMeheUrS8



    And the entire scourge army that was meant to devastate Azeroth had Bolvar not taken over; she just defeats it off-screen? We're supposed to just believe that? Please.

    Sylvanas is easily the worst character to date in Warcraft history. She's 100% a Mary Sue.
    We know both from the cinematic and word from the devs later she didn’t beat the whole scourge army. In the cinematic we see that zombies are wary of her but they don’t attack her they let her walk by at the gates of ice crown. There is no reason to think she Beat the whole army and she isn’t a Mary Sue every female character you don’t like isn’t a Mary Sue that’s not how the term works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysticx View Post
    It's just done in a rather hamfisted way, the Lich king (Even the new one) was supposed to be a big deal, Sylvanas just waltzes in there, hisses her "Edgier than thou"-monologue while wiping out an undead army off-screen, slaps him around like it's nothing, breaks the helm of domination because of course she can, which opens a portal into the realm of death itself, okay...

    I might be biased because i'm sick and tired of Sylvanas, always pulling the perfect counter to anything out of her back... pocket, but to suddenly go "Yeah, she's uber-powerful now" without any buildup isn't mysterious, it comes off as amateurish... That they need to explain that stuff at BlizzCon further emphasizes that.
    Sylvanas power doesn’t show up without any build up. In WC3 she was strong enough to break away from arthas, in wrath she fights arthas and while she doesn’t win she doesn't die either and does some if not much damage, in mop we learn that her and the valkiurs have expanded what that can raise, in bfa we litteraly see her made a deal with an aspect of death and fight internals, in bfa she fights malfurion.

    She has been developing power since WC3 and while a lot of it hasn’t been shown a to of it has been.

  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Armourboy View Post
    They had a ton of potential to do exactly as you suggest by showing that Bolvar was as strong if not stronger than Arthas by being infused with the powers of the Dragonflight to go along with the powers he gained by being the Lich King.
    Why? Bolvar isn't supposed to be stronger than Arthas, dude doesn't want to become the Lich King, he also never ever shown to win against any formidable opponent when Arthas has won against Mal'Ganis, Kael, Illidan, Antonidas, Uther and the Silverhand Paladins one after another.

    Bolvar being stronger as Arthas just because he wore the same helmet would be the actual bad writing.

    Bolvar is not the Lich King, he doesn't want to become the Lich King, he's just there because someone has to wear the helmet, he's never shown to have the same combat prowess as the Lich King, he just happened to wear his helmet.

    If C-3PO wore Darth Vader's helmet, Vader's entire legacy doesnt suddenly transferred to C-3PO, its just bull!@#$
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  19. #139
    Sylvanas got Buffed by The Jailer.

    Bolvar has always been a Nerfed LK.

    It's not that hard to understand.

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by pally2 View Post
    So what power is she juiced up on that she managed to take on the entire icecrown single handedly, and then defeat Lich King so easely. Its the Lich King ffs, Super powerful being thats also Bolvar, infused by dragonfire and light n sheet
    The jailer empowers her. She fed souls to the jailer since at least Legion and as he grew in power, so did she.

    Or because she has a Vagina.

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