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    Quote Originally Posted by Huggykaze View Post
    Then there's the case of potentially being locked into one of multiple stories told in WoW. If I love Hellfire Peninsula, but hate Terrokar Forest and Nagrand, I seemingly won't be able to just skip them for, say, Icecrown and Shadowmoon Valley. As a player for 15 years it doesn't hurt me as much as it will hurt a new player who will not see all these stories and will not understand all the lore until they've leveled... 8 characters from 1 to 60.
    I know neither of us knows for certain, but I'm pretty sure they won't prevent you doing other stories once you hit 50. It just won't level you past there. Thus you only need to level 8 characters to see all the content if you refuse to do content unless you're getting XP.

    Also, let's be real - half the players in WoW currently haven't seen entire expansions, or large fractions of expansions. I've played since literally beta of Vanilla (open beta), and there are zones and sides I've still never done - especially in Cataclysm and MoP. And right now I just level by dungeons because zone-leveling is such a shitshow. And I know many new players do too. Further, you'd need at least 4-5 characters to see it now even with the same strategy (i.e. only do zones whilst they give you XP), given how few zones you need to do before stuff goes grey. We can do that math together if you really like but even optimizing to follow different routes each time it's going to be at least 4 characters, and I suspect 5 or 6. So that going to 8 is a problem? Come off it. If anything it being neatened up will help. 8 characters doesn't even fill one server. I mean, how many have you leveled to max level for an expansion? It's at least 30 for me, probably more, over 15 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huggykaze View Post
    I am all for a squish, but the way they seem to be approaching it is just abysmally bad. It doesn't solve any of the leveling problems, it makes them worse if anything. Just remove the thing, seriously.
    I can't see it as making it worse. On the other hand I don't really object to removing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    so u playing a rpg game, can't wait to lvl to lose power, lvls, abilities and skills?
    can u name to me a single RPG game where the more u invest and play in it, the weaker u get? just a single rpg game, i'll wait, probably forever (beside wow)
    You don't get weaker, dude. You stay the same, it's just now 120 is called 50. This is not rocket surgery.

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    Is topic starter just a troll? I refuse to believe that people like that even exist that legitimately gets angry about such meaningless, almost cosmetic, number changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeek Daniels View Post
    While i find your lvl 80 twinks hilarious, never thought of that aspect of a level squish, I do agree on the ridiculousness of adding a 120 boost only for the level cap to be reduced to 50/60 next expac. Might as well boost to 50 and sit on that toon for a year till the xpac comes out and youll be in the same place.
    Doesn't work that way The squish applies to all levels. Level 120 = Level 50 after the squish.
    Level 50 will get squished to around 20-25 I'd say. No one knows the exact formula yet.

    The boost to 120 is literally a free level 50 starting Shadowlands.

    Go level to 50 in the game right now, you're starting about level 20

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    Quote Originally Posted by MalfLFT View Post
    Correction: Every patch
    No they were right to begin with. Gear gets reset every expansion. Your power is reset.

    Every patch you continue to grow, that's not the same.

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    This is great. They can finally make each level matter again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    Exactly what I mean. The 120 boost is bogus, it's totally arbitrary in the face of a certain level squish. At this point I might as well spend the rest of BfA leveling all my lowbies to 120 so they become 50 next expansion. Which seems unnecessary since I can just level them to 50 next expansion.

    This level squish seems like a bad idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryjkur View Post
    Why will Blizzard just wipe all the character progression and all these years just goes down the toilet. 120 to 50 is just big slap to the face and all these years feel now pointless. Why not just stat squish?
    Such a pointless post, everyone was asking for a lvl and stat squish , because the game needed it. If you think you lose 13 years of progress because of that you clrearly do not understand how WoW works. Every new expansion its a fresh start, a new kind of beginning you dont lose anything you just evolve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    It's not ranting as much as a paying customer giving their opinion on a discussion forum. Your "sit down and shut up" attitude is counter intuitive to that. If you can't handle reading other's opinions without insulting their intelligence then maybe a discussion forum just isn't your thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    I agree, especially after leveling one of every class to 120... what's even the purpose of a new 120 boost if it's getting squished to 50? What the hell level are my level 80 twinks going to be!?

    That IS ranting

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    Looking at the tooltip numbers, the squish doesn't even really squish to the same ranges. Abilities doing 12k at low end...

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    the progress is what your character completes, not what the number displays...the power is relative to the other numbers in the world...you'll still be more powerful than mobs in your starting zone...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryjkur View Post
    How can you be excited? I preordered the xpac and it said I'll get boost to lvl 120 and right after I heard they'll wipe 120 characters to 50. That is just big scam... they should mention it in SHOP that characters will squish to 50 so people can think twice if they'll buy the expansion.
    But I guess by not mentioning that they'll get more preorders...
    The boost is to get your toon or alt ready for the expac. Whether it boosts from 1-120 or 1-50 your character will be lvl appropriate for the content.
    To not realize this, signifies a special kind of stupid, the sort where your not allowed near crayons unsupervised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    i talk about feeling of regress that is starting since ages, lvl reduction is regress to make the game less daunting for new players, which means they sh8t on old loyal players and reward their loyalty with more sh8t
    and i gave example of other regress that happened in game history too
    You are completely misunderstanding the level squish. U will still be able to solo content you were soloing until now. And 0-60 will just take as long as 0-130. The only thing that changes is everything will have lower level idicator. If you think that they shit on older players because end game content will be 60lvl you have some problems with yourself mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryjkur View Post
    Why will Blizzard just wipe all the character progression and all these years just goes down the toilet. 120 to 50 is just big slap to the face and all these years feel now pointless. Why not just stat squish?
    ...what?

    So "all these years" you played really just boil down to how many levels you acquired? ... That makes no sense.
    If you are offended by something i said, im probably at least 45% sorry about it and there is a 3% Chance it was not on purpose!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryjkur View Post
    Why will Blizzard just wipe all the character progression and all these years just goes down the toilet. 120 to 50 is just big slap to the face and all these years feel now pointless. Why not just stat squish?
    We’ve had 2 stat squishes and damage number keep going to the same numbers as they did the previous expansion(before stat squishes) MoP saw upwards to 2-3m dps by the end of it. We started around 50-80k dps. WoD has a stat squish and started out with around 20-30k dps and ended up around 150-200k. Legion started around 300-500k and ended back up around 1.5-3m. Stat squish in bfa, started out at 10-14kdps and as of this moment we are looking at 70-150k dps. It only goes up from here and considering that damage increased 7 times I’ll assume it’ll increase at least 3 times from now so around 210k dps by they end of the expansion. That’s just being safe.

    So why not just a stat squish? They don’t work. Constantly being reset every other expansion isn’t fun. With a level squish, we should be able to increase our power, at least, through 4 or 5 expansions again.

    Also if we had another stat squish, everything under lvl 90 would probably be like 1-3 of a stat. And everything under lv70 would probably be straight up 0. That just don’t feel good when it don’t feel meaningful.

    This could be our WoW2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    Yeah, pretty much.
    They even sent out a survey to X amount of people, which clearly gave them a green light to continue ahead...

    But hey, these are forums where a large amount of people haven't enjoyed anything Blizzard's put out for a decade or more, yet they're still here, still buying said products, still talking about them. It might be angry money, but it's still money, and WoW in particular will carry on as long as it keeps earning money.
    There was a guy in another forum who can't help but comment that he quit playing in WoD while coming into almost every BFA bashing thread to give his expert opinion on why everything sucks and so do we if we like it.
    The most difficult thing to do is accept that there is nothing wrong with things you don't like and accept that people can like things you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurhetemec View Post
    I know neither of us knows for certain, but I'm pretty sure they won't prevent you doing other stories once you hit 50. It just won't level you past there. Thus you only need to level 8 characters to see all the content if you refuse to do content unless you're getting XP.
    I see your point. It certainly is a viable solution. Question is, can it be tuned in a way that doing these quests at lvl60 presents some sort of challenge. At least right after dinging for the 60th time. That's assuming devs even want it so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eurhetemec View Post
    Also, let's be real - half the players in WoW currently haven't seen entire expansions, or large fractions of expansions. I've played since literally beta of Vanilla (open beta), and there are zones and sides I've still never done - especially in Cataclysm and MoP. And right now I just level by dungeons because zone-leveling is such a shitshow. And I know many new players do too. Further, you'd need at least 4-5 characters to see it now even with the same strategy (i.e. only do zones whilst they give you XP), given how few zones you need to do before stuff goes grey. We can do that math together if you really like but even optimizing to follow different routes each time it's going to be at least 4 characters, and I suspect 5 or 6. So that going to 8 is a problem? Come off it. If anything it being neatened up will help. 8 characters doesn't even fill one server. I mean, how many have you leveled to max level for an expansion? It's at least 30 for me, probably more, over 15 years.
    And this is one of my biggest gripes with leveling right now. You can just rush through all these zones. There should be a special mode for people who want to do it fast. You'd do a few chains for each expac, summarizing the events of those days. Then each chain would end with a scenario representing one of the raids and its most iconic encounters, say Marrowgar, Saurfang, Professor and Lich King for Icecrown.
    Zone leveling being a shitshow is another problem. I don't see this really changing with Shadowlands tho', it will still be a shitshow if you ask me.
    To me leveling 8 characters is a huge problem. Leveling 2 is already a problem considering how bad the leveling has become. It's either dungeon grind (I'll do that at max level guys...) or same thing you mentioned - constant zone switching. I had total of 8 max level characters in WoD and that's all. 2 in vanilla, 3 in TBC, 2 in WLK, 1 in Cata, 5 or 6 in MoP, 3-4 in Legion and 1 in BfA. All of them being the same toons. I hate the current state of leveling so I generally avoid it. Well, avoided, no longer playing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eurhetemec View Post
    I can't see it as making it worse. On the other hand I don't really object to removing it.
    I'd rather leveling be in the game as full-fledged piece of content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryjkur View Post
    Why will Blizzard just wipe all the character progression and all these years just goes down the toilet. 120 to 50 is just big slap to the face and all these years feel now pointless. Why not just stat squish?
    You could argue that all the time put into playing a game, is "progress" down the toilet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    as a paying customer
    It's not because you're a "paying customer" that you need to be retarded... It doesn't require you to shut off your brain... At all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    It's not because you're a "paying customer" that you need to be retarded... It doesn't require you to shut off your brain... At all
    I don't think you quite know the definition of "retarded", and seems like it's a word that people that can't counter a point to throw around for dramatic effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palapop View Post
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    That IS ranting
    Well... tell me the purpose of a level 120 boost for anything but marketability when a level 50 squish is all but confirmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurhetemec View Post
    You don't get weaker, dude. You stay the same, it's just now 120 is called 50. This is not rocket surgery.
    if u staying the same, why they doing it then? u seriously saying it is the same when the number is different? why even bother doing it if it is just the same?
    Quote Originally Posted by meroko View Post
    they were right to begin with. Gear gets reset every expansion. Your power is reset.

    Every patch you continue to grow, that's not the same.
    it used to be that u get new talents and abilities, so no ur power doesn't get reset
    in TBC u learned 5 new spells
    in wrath some classes 2 and others 3, and i still remember ppl mocking blizz giving less abilities than tbc and they had to defend by making a far more complex talent tree (which they did, and it gave them a nightmare to balance in entire exp, if u remember 50/50 comb/sub rogue built with infinity combo points, healadin with protection built, etc)
    then came cata and they started to regress ur power by screwing talents, then wod finished it off with pruning even abilities u learn
    So no, for at least at start u used to grow in power every exp, now u get weaker because they are too lazy to work, as they even flat out admitted during BFA that they aren't really working on it (which caused a big pita for PR and they had to retract that word later and say it was out of context etc)
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