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  1. #601
    Quote Originally Posted by Eosia View Post
    No, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were simply not aware of things rather than being disingenuous or simply ignoring facts that ran counter to your arguments.
    I would believe that if not for the dismissive tone of the rest of your post. You clearly made an attempt to discredit my arguments by portraying me as a new or inexperienced player.

    You then go on to continue in that tone, arguing against things which I never claimed. Such as saying the community is not the ultimate arbiter of all design decisions. Something I NEVER even implied. In fact I specifically said that what Blizzard wants must be balanced against what players want, while admitting that it's not an even balance.

    I'm sorry, but it appears that we're done here. Clearly we have a fundamental disagreement that won't be resolved, and I've had my fill of people who argue against things I never said.

  2. #602
    Quote Originally Posted by SirCowdog View Post
    I'm sorry, but it appears that we're done here. Clearly we have a fundamental disagreement that won't be resolved, and I've had my fill of people who argue against things I never said.
    You just want to be right and you're not. So now you're going to pull a Cartman.

  3. #603
    Quote Originally Posted by Eosia View Post
    You just want to be right and you're not. So now you're going to pull a Cartman.
    No, I just want to have a civil discussion without being talked down to, misrepresented, and constantly straw manned. Something apparently very few opponents of progress on the Pathfinder situation are capable of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keristrasza View Post
    Then flight isnt your thing, fine. Stop trying to deny it for people who want it just because you are "Fine without it" the game wasnt made only for people who dislike flight. Others like and want it. It should be there for people who want and before the halfway point of the expansions life so its useful. If anything some zones should be designed with it in mind but in such a way that people who still dont like it can get around just fine.
    No that’s wrong. It’s there before the halfway point already. You get more of the game with flying than we do without it. Stop being so greedy. Blizzard already reversed their first decision when they they were going to remove it entirely in WoD. So as you said stop thinking the game is only for you, people who like it. You’ve got more time with it than without.

  5. #605
    Quote Originally Posted by Ihsan997 View Post
    Once again, another well-written, logical summary that should really end the thread. I don’t get why the anti-flight crowd - a group which, even their more level headed members must confess, is a minority among the player base - seems unable to get beyond this point. The issue at hand is about consumer demand and allowing players more options. Some people don’t like flying through beautifully designed zones? Then they can walk and enjoy the scenery. Other people exercising other options doesn’t impinge on their freedom in the least.
    do yo really think blizz make those kind of choice because some random dude think flying is bad? blizzard make a choice based on their interest they don't want to spend that extra time designing a zone for flying and so 90% of the zones now are empty mountains if they can they would go back to 2d ; the pathfinder is designed to make flying an alt catch up mechanic.

    There is 0 chance to go back the way it was before.
    Quote Originally Posted by caervek View Post
    Obviously this issue doesn't affect me however unlike some raiders I don't see the point in taking satisfaction in this injustice, it's wrong, just because it doesn't hurt me doesn't stop it being wrong, the player base should stand together when Blizzard do stupid shit like this not laugh at the ones being victimised.

  6. #606
    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    If world content have no benefit for you just dont do it? And if you dont do it you dont need flying. And if you dont like grinds maybe mmorpgs are not for you?
    I've done just fine the past three expansions without grinding to get flying, thank you very much.

  7. #607
    I’m a long term hater of Pathfinder, my post history on wow’s forums is literally full of it.

    I said I’d never get Pathfinder, nor would I unlock any allied race.

    Well, I said fuck it. I decided to sit down and work towards it. Not only did I unlock BfA’s PF, but I also unlocked Legion’s PF and am 5 days away from WoD’s PF. Unlocked Dark Iron Dwarf and Kul Tiran as well.

    My stance still stands, remove PF or make the rep easier to get. Doing all WQs in a day and then getting told “that’s it, you’ve hit your daily time played metric quota” is ridiculous. Give players a way to get rep WHEN THEY WANT IT.

    And the last major thing - make flying available immediately. This whole 10 month wait to get PF Part two SCREAMS time played metrics/MAUS.

    Stop thinking about the shareholders, think about the players

    FWIW: WoD’s PF (coincidentally the most hated) has been the easiest/fastest to get because it uses the old daily quest hub. WQs were added for a reason - time played metrics.
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  8. #608
    I'd be happy if flying and the pathfinder compromise were removed completely in current content PLUS flying auto enabled in all old content.

    Boycotting Blizzard is like a lactose intolerant person boycotting milk purchases to protest about cruelty to cows, then eating his hamburger whilst doing so.
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    Warlords for me. I've been a very casual player since after T11 in Cataclysm which was the last tier I raided in with any commitment or seriousness. I ran out of things to do in Warlords. Being very honest here about the most fun I had post-launch was collecting the stuff for the Jukebox and going all over the world for the selfie achievement. At some point I just gave it up and unsubscribed for the first time since I had first signed up in Burning Crusade.

    Clearly the worst for me. Not even close.

    Before I leave that though, I thought Shadowmoon Valley was a real highlight to level through. Engaging story and a really nice closing story. The other zones weren't terrible but SMV/Warlords was quite a thing at the time.
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  10. #610
    Quote Originally Posted by Laqweeta View Post
    My stance still stands, remove PF or make the rep easier to get. Doing all WQs in a day and then getting told “that’s it, you’ve hit your daily time played metric quota” is ridiculous. Give players a way to get rep WHEN THEY WANT IT.

    Stop thinking about the shareholders, think about the players
    Here’s the thing: as a private company, they have both customers and shareholders to worry about. As with most large companies, shareholders are catered to more often than customers. Customers will only take priority if they become angry enough to take their money elsewhere, in which case large companies will retroactively enact damage control.

    We saw it with WoD PF and how Blizz did a u-turn. In order to push the devs to deliver what most of the playerbase wants - and I don’t think any reasonable person would deny that not all but most players would prefer flying to be unlocked earlier and more easily - then said playerbase will have to either unsub again, or create enough social media noise containing threats as such, to force the supplier to please the demander before the shareholder.

  11. #611
    Quote Originally Posted by Laqweeta View Post
    And the last major thing - make flying available immediately. This whole 10 month wait to get PF Part two SCREAMS time played metrics/MAUS.
    This is really the only thing I want. I'm okay with needing to get rep for pathfinder achievements, as well as achievements for exploration and story completion. My main beef with pathfinder is that we have to wait 6-8 months, or more, for the second part to come out and even enable flying after all that work. Just make it available from day one, but soft locked behind the first pathfinder achievement.

    Like, it's really not hard. I just resubbed earlier this month and leveled my hunter and started doing WQ. I'm about 1 week away from revered with all of the related factions and then I'll have pathfinding, so three weeks total of futzing around with WQ in my opinion is fine but it shouldn't have only been enabled with the second major patch cycle.

  12. #612
    Pathfinder per "Patch Zone'

    IE Launch Areas in X.1
    Patch X.2 unlocks during its own patch based off its own pathfinder

    So keep the achievements as they are but unlock flying on a per part basis

  13. #613
    I really like the pathfinder system. There used to be large threads about the removal of flying back in WotLK and Cata I think the pathfinder system was a good middle ground to appease both sides of the crowd. I personally have not completed part 2 yet and have not had any problem playing the game. I just like that the world feels much more alive and active when everybody is running around on their ground mounts instead of just flying over everything. The world defiantly seems a lot more empty since part 2 came out IMO.

  14. #614
    remove the time and rep grind, I've already experienced what the game has to offer on land by the time I am done with the other achievs. Just have the completion of the rest of pathfinder give you a cool flying mount or something

  15. #615
    If world quests didnt litter the fucking map, flying wouldnt be so essential.

    There is nothing fun or rewarding about doing the same world quest every day.

    Remove 90% of the world quests.

    Make world quests last 4 or 7 days.
    Epic, Rare-Elite ; 7 days.
    Rare ; 4 days
    Emmisaries, 3 per week, week long, they refresh at the start of the week.

  16. #616
    Quote Originally Posted by Spicymemer View Post
    If world quests didnt litter the fucking map, flying wouldnt be so essential.

    There is nothing fun or rewarding about doing the same world quest every day.

    Remove 90% of the world quests.

    Make world quests last 4 or 7 days.
    Epic, Rare-Elite ; 7 days.
    Rare ; 4 days
    Emmisaries, 3 per week, week long, they refresh at the start of the week.
    Why? Just skip the world quests you don't want to do. Just do the emissaries and whatever world quests you consider have good enough rewards.

    If world quests are mostly removed, a lot more complaints about nothing to do will appear.

  17. #617
    Quote Originally Posted by AmbervaleX View Post
    Why? Just skip the world quests you don't want to do. Just do the emissaries and whatever world quests you consider have good enough rewards.

    If world quests are mostly removed, a lot more complaints about nothing to do will appear.
    stfu idiot, world quests are not content, most of them are just recycled quests or 'rares'

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    they could make it as difficult as they wanted as long as it were available at launch. it not being available at launch to me is exactly what ghostcrawler said he never wanted to do, give us something only to take it away.

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    Ideally I'd prefer it to be removed, or at the very least that they open it up far sooner.
    Theres only so much "wonderous exploration" that can be gained by being on the ground, and it certainly doesnt last much longer than a month.
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  20. #620
    BC was where flying was at it best

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