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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Thoris View Post
    This is flat earth level lunacy. There isn't even serious talk of a revolt outside nutjobs and prepper types and if there was one it would be put down faster than you could blink.
    All these fantasies are predicated on pretty much the entire military revolting along with them. They know the minute one guy leaves push notifications on for Dr. Mario World a Predator drone would turn them in viscous pink sludge, so they have to think the turn would turn on the government with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Thoris View Post
    This is flat earth level lunacy. There isn't even serious talk of a revolt outside nutjobs and prepper types and if there was one it would be put down faster than you could blink.
    It would be like Afghanistan, where it was pickup trucks with machine guns vs A-10's and M-1 Abrams. A few rednecks in pickup trucks with shotguns would last about 15 seconds. Remember when people were surrendering to reporters, and in one case a drone? It'd be like that. These keyboard warriors are great at talking tough on the internet, if a small number of them did manage to get away from their Budweiser and football for 5 minutes, it wouldn't last very long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Its not conspiracy. There's plenty of experts that see civil war as a high risk issue.

    Remember, the American Revolutionary War was a revolt by about 20% of the population. 80% wanted to stay a colony of the UK. That 20% beat the 80% and the world superpower. It would not be put down. The alt right revolt would win and it is not gonna be close.
    The colonists win because England gave up. They couldn't effectively cover the large stretch of land and money was running out. This is also after a costly ear with France. Know your history man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clone View Post
    The colonists win because England gave up. They couldn't effectively cover the large stretch of land and money was running out. This is also after a costly ear with France. Know your history man.
    I don't care about the history, its not relevant. The world today is not the same as hundreds of years ago. Transport, communication and warfare have changed. So with respect, what the fuck?

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    I'd suggest a cease in response to this obvious distraction from the topic at hand.

    Suffice to say, the senate declaring the gubernatorial race's result in opposition to the will of the people because their party didn't like who won would be a gross example of flouting democracy and, as has frequently become the republican mantra these days, putting party over country (or, in this case, state.)

    They lost. They're going to continue to lose They need to get over it and either adapt their party to current concerns or die off.
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    I still think this is not a real thing for Democrats due to the other state wide elections in Kentucky. Sure it is a win but the fact that he did not have a primary means they gave this election away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeezusisacasual View Post
    I still think this is not a real thing for Democrats due to the other state wide elections in Kentucky. Sure it is a win but the fact that he did not have a primary means they gave this election away.
    It's a win for the Democrats not because it really changes the power balance in the State. It doesn't, and we know it. It's a win because the Republicans made a big scene about it. They put a lot of money in, they even had Trump there talking about how humiliating it would be if they lost. To do all that and then lose IS a black eye. If they had been quieter about it, it would have been seen more as 'business as usual for Kentucky' than any major thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeezusisacasual View Post
    I still think this is not a real thing for Democrats due to the other state wide elections in Kentucky. Sure it is a win but the fact that he did not have a primary means they gave this election away.
    These big, showy upsets are fantastic fuel for the democrats in the 2020 election, even if they don't immediately change the balance of power to some great extent.

    They send the message to the nation that Trump's bootlickers are being rejected. And, best of all, Fox news can't "cut away" from the fact that a democrat is going to be governor. They can not talk about it (something that's going to be difficult when Trump blows his lid over it) but they can't say it didn't happen, or spin it some other way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    These big, showy upsets are fantastic fuel for the democrats in the 2020 election, even if they don't immediately change the balance of power to some great extent.

    They send the message to the nation that Trump's bootlickers are being rejected. And, best of all, Fox news can't "cut away" from the fact that a democrat is going to be governor. They can not talk about it (something that's going to be difficult when Trump blows his lid over it) but they can't say it didn't happen, or spin it some other way.
    Fox is just going to keep saying it's too close to call until the Kentucky senate overturns democracy and votes for the Republican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    These big, showy upsets are fantastic fuel for the democrats in the 2020 election, even if they don't immediately change the balance of power to some great extent.

    They send the message to the nation that Trump's bootlickers are being rejected. And, best of all, Fox news can't "cut away" from the fact that a democrat is going to be governor. They can not talk about it (something that's going to be difficult when Trump blows his lid over it) but they can't say it didn't happen, or spin it some other way.
    Oh i agree and its a nice first step for sure i hope that they build upon it as i hate how the Republican party has become. It shows cracks in the armor which is always a plus but building upon it will be very important and i hope the democratic establishment can do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Fox is just going to keep saying it's too close to call until the Kentucky senate overturns democracy and votes for the Republican.
    This is pretty much why I was asking in my OP in this thread if it had been confirmed yet. I knew the margin was slim and was sure a recount would be called (which is fine; I'm all for recounts in close elections), but there's no way the GOP are going to hand over Kentucky if they can get away with it. They're going to come up with some bullshit reason to have it decided in the state legislature--which is, of course, deeply GOP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Fox is just going to keep saying it's too close to call until the Kentucky senate overturns democracy and votes for the Republican.
    Let's hope it doesn't come to that, and that the new governor fights it every step of the way if they try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    In the American Revolution, the 20% that revolt beat the will of the 80% by getting support from France and Germany. That's what you do. That's a standard military tactic. If you are the smaller faction, you get foreign help. In the civil war, the Confederacy made multiple attempts to get military help from France. France said no. Had France said yes, the Confederacy wins the civil war. In this upcoming conflict, both Russia and China are pretty much foaming at the mouth to come to the aid of the alt right because they want to kill every democrat in this country really really badly., Probably one of the first things they do is get voting records and find out which americans voted democrat and start lining them up against the wall to shoot them. The democrats have spent YEARS pissing off Russia and China, threatening them, sanctioning them. They want blood. Make no mistake. That's an enemy the democrats made.

    The democrats piss off Russia, China and half the US to the point of revolt and think no consequences will ever happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kail View Post
    This would make an entertaining movie or TV series. Go pitch it to someone at Showtime or HBO.
    Right after he seeks actual mental help.

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    So now because Bevin refuses to concede and sites "irregularities" he refuses to actually name the heavily Republican controlled state congress is saying they should be able to name the Kentucky governor. Instead of having a judge do the recounts like what is suppose to happen the Republicans want to throw away the will of the people and place their own choice in charge. This is exactly why any American with even a shred of decency or real patriotism should vote out Republicans the party of "power above all and party over country."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Thoris View Post
    I don't care about the history, its not relevant. The world today is not the same as hundreds of years ago. Transport, communication and warfare have changed. So with respect, what the fuck?
    I don't care if you don't care, seeing as how I wasn't speaking to you, unless you are Kokolums and accidentally posts on this account. So either you care about history enough to use it to make a point, or you don't and therefore stop referencing history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clone View Post
    The colonists win because England gave up. They couldn't effectively cover the large stretch of land and money was running out. This is also after a costly ear with France. Know your history man.
    The American Revolutionary War effectively turned into a world war after a certain point. It wasn't just the French helping us against the British; the Spanish and the Dutch joined in, too, though the French provided the most assistance.

    They all saw it as a chance to take Britain down a peg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    The American Revolutionary War effectively turned into a world war after a certain point. It wasn't just the French helping us against the British; the Spanish and the Dutch joined in, too, though the French provided the most assistance.

    They all saw it as a chance to take Britain down a peg.
    Seriously, wtf does this have to do with the topic at hand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathora44 View Post
    So now because Bevin refuses to concede and sites "irregularities" he refuses to actually name the heavily Republican controlled state congress is saying they should be able to name the Kentucky governor. Instead of having a judge do the recounts like what is suppose to happen the Republicans want to throw away the will of the people and place their own choice in charge. This is exactly why any American with even a shred of decency or real patriotism should vote out Republicans the party of "power above all and party over country."
    Realistically speaking, even should Beshear be sworn in the Kentucky GOP may move to neuter the position considering they hold both houses of the state legislature - so his impact on policy might be minimal. Why this election matters has more to do with why Doug Jones winning in Alabama matters; they are public rejections of the Trumpian view that party should be a shield for despicable behavior.

    It also does show that even in "red" states, activist Democratic energy can still be harnessed. Though McConnell is still the favourite to win, it's important to note he's almost as unpopular as Bevin is and Amy McGrath is absolutely crushing him in the funding race - so this election might be a sign that McConnell is going to have to fight to hold his seat.

    And this timeline is just ironic enough that it could very well happen that Trump squeaks by on an electoral college victory but McConnell ends up losing his seat to a Democrat. Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clone View Post
    I don't care if you don't care, seeing as how I wasn't speaking to you, unless you are Kokolums and accidentally posts on this account. So either you care about history enough to use it to make a point, or you don't and therefore stop referencing history.
    My bad, I thought you quoted me and it felt entirely irrelevant (which it was since you werent quoting me!)

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